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Owenski
19-03-12, 12:07 PM
I just saw the cover of the metro with Gary Chill's shirt with this slogan, a little bit of google and I found the reason for it.
Loads of contradictory info online but general jist is that he had a heart attack on the pitch. Thats horrific and seems to happen frequently enough for it to be quite a scary thing.
Thoughts are with those surrounding him at the moment, hopefully the football league doesnt cast a shaddow over it. It seems that its something people need making aware of.
Maybe someone can answer one question I have about it, is this a football thing? I mean these clubs make millions and their players have become such highly tuned athletes Im concerend that they have also become like highly tuned engines ie timebombs.
You see it time and again that players pull a hammy or strain thier groin (football hernia) and they're out for weeks but other such sports dont seem to have the same regulartiy of injury.
To me that suggests they're been pushed to shape themselves at thier bodies absolute limit so when something goes wrong, you get event like Saturdays.
Specialone
19-03-12, 12:14 PM
Yeah watched this unfold on saturday, very sad.
When they said he was still being resussed 90 mins later i was convinced he was dead, my wife used to work in A&E and most people have 30 mins tops.
He was a great player for brum, very committed and a fans favourite, so i personally was quite upset tbh when i first seen what was happening, hope the young lad pulls through.
In regards to your question, i dont think his sudden heart failure was football related tbh, some people have weaknesses that lay hidden.
Luckily for him (hopefully) he collapsed in the 2nd best place, surrounded by paramedics and club doctors, waiting ambulance etc, if he'd been out on the street, i doubt we'd be talking about praying for him now.
GWS Fabrice :)
Littlepeahead
19-03-12, 01:28 PM
Like most professional sports people he would have been tested at various medicals but it doesn't always show up.
Info about the condition most likely suffered by this footaballer can be found here:
http://www.c-r-y.org.uk/medical_conditions.htm
The Middlesex players are all tested. Sadly the Captain's brother died just before Christmas, he was a fit young man with no history of heart problems and died in his sleep.
Chris8886 suffered a similar thing last year as most of you know. He was in a bar in Thailand - standing next to 2 nurses lucky for him. They still don't know what caused his heart so stop and he defied all the odds.
It isn't that uncommon in fit young people but your chances of survival rely very much on 2 things. A quick response by first aiders who keep oxygen going to your brain by performing CPR and access to a defibrillator with someone knowing how to use it.
So people, get yourself CPR trained. I'm about to set up a first aid course for the Soho group, and although we will be learning what to do if you are at road accident this will include CPR which is vital in any situation where a person's heart stops.
That can be caused by heart attack, electrocution, choking, allergy, any number of things. You don't have to be a paramedic or cardiac doctor to help, just keeping the oxygen getting to the victims brain until the professionals arrive with the clever kit can save a life.
Owenski
19-03-12, 01:34 PM
how is chris doing now?
It was horrible what happened on Saturday, you could clearly see the distress on the players' faces and the crowd when it was happening.
News reports indicate his heart only started working by itself when he arrived at the hospital which was 2 hours after he collapsed.
There's an article trying to answer your op
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-17429446
GWS Fabrice
Littlepeahead
19-03-12, 03:05 PM
how is chris doing now?
He's ugly, annoying, tells terrible jokes and snores like a warthog with a sinus problem. But that's just the same as before!
Chris also has a rather impressive lump on his ribs which is his built in defibrillator. Anything that prevents me having to give him mouth to mouth is a good thing. If his heart ever tries to take a nap again the little box will shock him back to a normal heartbeat.
MisterTommyH
19-03-12, 04:00 PM
Sudden Death Syndrome is something thats popped up on the news now and then... it's tends to get noticed when fit young people suddenly have heart failure.
A Walsall reserve died from it last season or the season before and I think it's happened to someone at Man City, and something similar happened on the pitch at the Confederates cup a while back.
I read somewhere that there are about 500 instances of it a year and there were calls to have all young people screened - although the fact that Muamba was a professional and internationl highlights that you can't stop it all the time (you would assume that he'd had multiple ECGs).
If anything he was extrememly lucky to be so close to a defibrilator - although his heart didn't start for however long the quick start of treatment is known to be key (and I doubt they would have had one so close at the training ground). Kind of makes you think there should be a defib in every company first aid kit especially as they are so simple now.
(BTW all of this is from things on the news and first aid courses etc... by no means have any special knowledge of the condition).
The fact that it seems to happen to footballers a lot does make me wonder if it's something to do with the training regime and lifestyle that raises the chances?
LPH - how can you be insensitive at this sad time.... reminding us about Chris.....
he's really not THAT ugly ;) x
Littlepeahead
19-03-12, 06:08 PM
There was no intention to be insensitive about the condition I hope everyone understands, my point was that with fast help you do survive. Chris is the positive outcome. The link I posted earlier was to a charity he is involved with. They do great work screening young people. Sadly define are not as common as they should be. We have 4 on site at Lord's. I made sure I got training so I can use a defib anywhere.
Owenski
19-03-12, 06:13 PM
I think Sally was being humorous, it was a further jibe at poor old Chris as opposed to what the words actually said. A read between the lines jobby I think, read it again you'll see what I mean.
Specialone
19-03-12, 06:36 PM
he's really not THAT ugly ;) x
I think Sally was being humorous, it was a further jibe at poor old Chris as opposed to what the words actually said. A read between the lines jobby I think, read it again you'll see what I mean.
Did you notice the end of her post^^^^?
She wasn't being serious;)
Sorry Claire, I really wasn't having a go at you! I was making an insensitive joke about our friend with no short term memory.
The condition, and associated charity, is a serious business. I have also known an athletic youngster at school drop in a cross country.
Back on topic - it is worrying how many people (and I know a woman in her 40's) who suddenly and unpredictably drop with major heart complications. We all need to take a moment to take note of this possibility
Love xx
Owenski
19-03-12, 09:15 PM
Agreed!
It's a genuine "it'll never happen to me" thing which as Chris is fortunate to be able to testify can and does happen to you.
If one good thing comes out of something like this been in the public eye, maybe it can be that some lives may be saved by people getting them selves checked out.
Owenski
19-03-12, 09:17 PM
I'm starting to sound like my dad again aren't I!
Erm willy tickle, boobie snuggle and other such immature comments, phew I'm a delinquent again :-)
The Idle Biker
19-03-12, 10:05 PM
I heard The Sun was the only mainstream media to publish photos of the guys face and body while being treated on the pitch. Not sure if it's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.
The recent news seems encouraging.
thefallenangel
19-03-12, 10:29 PM
He'll be alright Vinnie Jones is on the way with a bee gee's cd.
Littlepeahead
20-03-12, 07:59 AM
I knew Sal was joking but didn't want anyone to think I was making light of those with heart conditions. I take so much grief from Chris that I have to get my own back when I can. Instead of spending Valentines day last year out with my husband I was holding Chris's hand in hospital post op while he swore a lot during the injections. So romantic.
SoulKiss
20-03-12, 08:27 AM
I knew Sal was joking but didn't want anyone to think I was making light of those with heart conditions. I take so much grief from Chris that I have to get my own back when I can. Instead of spending Valentines day last year out with my husband I was holding Chris's hand in hospital post op while he swore a lot during the injections. So romantic.
You, (and Messie) were only saying what the rest of us were thinking, all safe in the knowledge that if he reads this he will have forgotten about it by the time he see's any of us again :p
*waves* Hi Chris :)
SoulKiss
20-03-12, 08:29 AM
Now for the serious post.
Why?
Why pray for someone with semi-pseudo-celebrity status brought about by an ability to run and kick a ball ?
Why him?
Why not the 48 yo Grandfather who collaped at the same time, or any other person suffering from similar circumstances?
If you are the persuasion to pray, pray for everyone, not just the famous ones...
gruntygiggles
20-03-12, 08:39 AM
Now for the serious post.
Why?
Why pray for someone with semi-pseudo-celebrity status brought about by an ability to run and kick a ball ?
Why him?
Why not the 48 yo Grandfather who collaped at the same time, or any other person suffering from similar circumstances?
If you are the persuasion to pray, pray for everyone, not just the famous ones...
Why? Because perhaps that is the person he was thinking of at that time...and why not?
Honestly, just because you ask for prayers for one person doesn't mean you are not thinkng of others. I doubt fame had anything to do with this thread over and above that some people would know who it was about.
It is just a case of wishing a fellow human well, nothing more, nothing less.
I would rather give a pat on the back to someone thinking of others than criticise them for not thinking of the right people.
It's just a little humanity which is nice to see and all the posts in this thread clearly show the concern felt for others.
SoulKiss
20-03-12, 08:45 AM
Why? Because perhaps that is the person he was thinking of at that time...and why not?
Honestly, just because you ask for prayers for one person doesn't mean you are not thinkng of others. I doubt fame had anything to do with this thread over and above that some people would know who it was about.
It is just a case of wishing a fellow human well, nothing more, nothing less.
I would rather give a pat on the back to someone thinking of others than criticise them for not thinking of the right people.
It's just a little humanity which is nice to see and all the posts in this thread clearly show the concern felt for others.
Yeah I guess you are right, my current loathing of the "Cult of Celebrity" probably coloured my thoughts on this a bit too much.
Owenski
20-03-12, 08:54 AM
wowchers dave, who stole the jam out of your dohnut this morning?
Like I said in the OP "pray 4 muamba" was the slogan on Gary Cahills T-shirt, he displayed it after scoring for Chelsea. If you're not aware then Muamba was his team mate when Cahill was at Bolton and as such it was simply a message about his friends wellbeing.
My thread isnt really about Muamba and his well being, I do wish him all the best but thats just compassion for another human. The point of the thread was to see if anyone knew a reason or had incite into why this happens to althletes with scary regularity and ponder if they're been pushed too far.
I care no less for the 48 grandfarther who collapsed at the same time than I do for Fabrice, but you have to admit that its a little less suprising that a grandfarther should have a heart attack when you compear it to a young profeshional athlete.
So hate celebrity all you want mate, go nuts, Im generally in favour of the idea but dont assume this was just about hugging the limielight of someones darkest hour, like I said in my 2nd to last post if this event makes one person go get tested then its been a good thing that it took place in the public eye.
MisterTommyH
20-03-12, 08:54 AM
The 'Pray for Muamba' was on the shirt of one of his ex team mates and was revealed when he scored - so the person who initiated it was asking for prayers for someone he knew.
From there it has become a bit of a slogan, but if it raises awareness then I don't see any issue - even if most of the people who use the slogan aren't predisposed to pray.
Edit: ^^ What he said.
Specialone
20-03-12, 09:05 AM
Personally, I feel like I know muamba a bit as I'd watched him play for brum a lot, it also hit home a big reminder ( you do forget sometimes) of something that happened to my boss at my last job.
38 years old father of two, non smoker, fit, not a big drinker, just dropped at 7.30am one morning, sudden death syndrome was the official cause of that I think.
I was due a meeting with him at 8am at another facility so got there about 7.45am and he was just being put in an ambulance to be driven away to local hospital, he never regained conscienceness (sp).
It affected me a lot tbh, life changing actually, it was then I decided to do everything in my life as quick as my budget allows.
So I really do, hand on heart, hope muamba makes a full recovery, regardless of his occupation.
Hes a bloody footballer ffs! Ok, yes it is a shock, but my mum had a heart attack at the beginning of the year. It happens, plenty of people have them and live. No different here. Just cant see what is so special about this bloke.
Specialone
20-03-12, 09:19 AM
He's 23 !
People in the public eye always get more coverage on these things, but like I say I've watched him play for brum tons of times so that's my interest amongst others.
Can't see the problem tbh, if people have no compassion or interest, don't read the thread.
Owenski
20-03-12, 09:30 AM
2 very simple significant factors which should make anyone wake up and see how shocking this thing is.
1- He's 23, not exactly your typical heart attack victims age!
2- He's a pro athlete, not exactly known for been unfit!
So if a very young and incredably fit person can be struck down with a heart attack, then no one is safe! Its got knack all to do with him being a footballer, I wouldnt care if it was a ballet dancer its still bloody shocking!
yorkie_chris
20-03-12, 09:40 AM
Like I said in the OP "pray 4 muamba" was the slogan on Gary Cahills T-shirt, he displayed it after scoring for Chelsea. If you're not aware then Muamba was his team mate when Cahill was at Bolton and as such it was simply a message about his friends wellbeing.
Very nice gesture to see :)
So if this bloke would have had multiple medicals etc, obviously they're an investment so you would assume would have the best healthcare, what's the chances of a 5 minute screening detecting this? Surely if you're going to drop...
Owenski
20-03-12, 10:02 AM
Very nice gesture to see :)
So if this bloke would have had multiple medicals etc, obviously they're an investment so you would assume would have the best healthcare, what's the chances of a 5 minute screening detecting this? Surely if you're going to drop...
They defo have screenings, his last one was in the summer.
Spurs players were this week sheduled to have thier own annual scan which much have been pretty eye opening while they stood watching another player being resussitaed on thier pitch.
Thats just it though, they seem to be just screenings, but now its been insisted that they get full back ground checks as the gene responsible is hereditry. Im not sure if its the same one which causes HCM but it sounds to fit the bill.
Either way, if you're related to someone who suffered a heart attack at a relativly young age or were generally healthy then its proberbly worth having a check before going to run a marathon :)
MisterTommyH
20-03-12, 10:09 AM
Hes a bloody footballer ffs! Ok, yes it is a shock, but my mum had a heart attack at the beginning of the year. It happens, plenty of people have them and live. No different here. Just cant see what is so special about this bloke.
I hate football, and spend a lot of my time slagging footballers off for the waste of space and poor role models that a lot of them are.
I don't think this is about what he does. It's about a young fit person in the public eye who collapsed and nearly died infront of a huge stadium and tv audience.
I hope I'm not being disrespectful here but to me it is different. This little known condition kills 500 perfectly healthy people under 30 in this country every year. People associate heart problems with people slightly older than that so this is a shock to people who've never heard of it. Again, if it raises any awareness to introduce screening, or get more defibs out there, then whats the problem?
Edit: Footballers will have had screening, but there are plenty of young people out there who do a lot of sport who probably won't be offered it and although 4 screenings missed it here I think that just shows how important it is. In Italy they have complusary screening and have reduced instances of SDS by 90%.
Littlepeahead
20-03-12, 01:56 PM
I do wish the papers would stop saying 'heart attack' which I doubt this was.
Older people tend to get heart attacks through blood clots and narrowing of the arteries. That's why if you are young and fit you probably won't but even when you are older you can suffer several heart attacks and not even realise.
He had a cardiac arrest - his heart stopped. As I said in an earlier post, that can happen if you have an allergy to wasp stings, an electric shock or as is likely in this lad's case, cardiomyopathy.
The heart may start working again but the ongoing problems of brain damage cannot be underestimated. We may joke about Chris not remembering things, but this can make life incredibly difficult. When the doctor asked Chris in the hospital if I was his sister he said no. When he then asked if I was his girlfriend Chris looked horrified and said certainly not. However, some people cannot even remember their wife or parents or any of their previous life when they wake up, nor can they form new memories if that part of the brain has been starved of oxygen and damaged.
Rather than praying for him people might be better to donate to one of the charities that offer screening for young people and also support those who have lost loved ones through the condition or are recovering if they were lucky enough to survive.
MisterTommyH
20-03-12, 02:51 PM
On the positive (perhaps cynical) side I daresay that those charities will get quite a boost from this incident whatever the outcome.
Funny isnt it ? a footballer has a cardiac arrest and we have to pray for him, 6 lads get incinerated in a warrior and not a peep out of anyone on the forum, still lets all pray for him all the same.
Owenski
20-03-12, 04:33 PM
I dont think thats in disrespect to those lads who died that day any more than it is to any other individuals who've lost thier life in conflict and gone unmentioned on here.
All those who are critising that Muamba makes his profession as a footballer need to have a good think about what your actual argument is. When Sic died on the track I didnt hear anyone complaining that he got a 6 pages in the news paper yet when any other motorcylist dies on our roads they rarely get more than 6 lines. Just think about that.
Another thing, it appears that you're saying its not right that he's held in higher regard than any other individual based on him being a footballer. Yet all the while you're looking down your nose on a person based on what they do for a living wtf is all that about?
I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, Ive just spent the weekend at brize norton where they are preparing the for the repatriation of the six killed in Afghan the other week and if push comes to shove I'll stand by the lads in uniform every time, but thats just my opinion
Owenski
20-03-12, 04:50 PM
I'm not looking down my nose at anyone, Ive just spent the weekend at brize norton where they are preparing the for the repatriation of the six killed in Afghan the other week and if push comes to shove I'll stand by the lads in uniform every time, but thats just my opinion
Sorry pal, bundled in to my response to you I can see how that may have appeared directed at you. I assure you I've nothing but respect for these lads and living in cpl hartleys back yard Im very aware of the events and I too support thier acts.
Unfortunatly you're not the first to mention his profession as a negative in your perception of the coverage which he is reciving, it just so happened on this occasion to be the straw which broke the argumentative ****s back ;)
No worries mate :) and if anyone thinks that just cause he's a footballer I somehow think his life is worth less than someone else then theyre plain wrong,I hope he pulls through, it just sometime feels that the guys and girls in uniform dont get the respect of say, actors, models, sportsmen, singers, z list celebs etc
Specialone
20-03-12, 06:03 PM
All those who are critising that Muamba makes his profession as a footballer need to have a good think about what your actual argument is. When Sic died on the track I didnt hear anyone complaining that he got a 6 pages in the news paper yet when any other motorcylist dies on our roads they rarely get more than 6 lines. Just think about that.
Good point Matt.
Just for the record, i watch pretty much every program on afghan thats around and the recent one that ended last week, i shed a tear im not ashamed to say as it spoke about the guys who were killed and injured, very sad, as matt said, i couldnt hold them in any higher regard.
My point, i care about the soldiers too, just so happens that i have more of a 'connection' to muamba, doesnt mean i care more about footballers or any other celebs.
Funny isnt it ? a footballer has a cardiac arrest and we have to pray for him, 6 lads get incinerated in a warrior and not a peep out of anyone on the forum, still lets all pray for him all the same.
Didn't realise that showing concern/empathy/sympathy was an either or situation.
Professional footballers or professional soldiers - equally deserving of people's time and attention and they all voluntarily signed up for the job.
Didn't realise that showing concern/empathy/sympathy was an either or situation.
Professional footballers or professional soldiers - equally deserving of people's time and attention and they all voluntarily signed up for the job.
Ah, I was waiting for someone to say that tbh, well i'm off to Afghan in the new year for a 6 month deployment to camp bastion and yeah I signed up again for the second time in my life and if anything happens to me when I'm down there well it'll be my fault cos I signed up, but you see I signed up again cos I thought I was actually doing something for the good of the country, although we're all entitled to own opinions I suppose
Specialone
20-03-12, 06:43 PM
Ah, I was waiting for someone to say that tbh, well i'm off to Afghan in the new year for a 6 month deployment to camp bastion and yeah I signed up again for the second time in my life and if anything happens to me when I'm down there well it'll be my fault cos I signed up, but you see I signed up again cos I thought I was actually doing something for the good of the country, although we're all entitled to own opinions I suppose
And we all appreciate you doing it mate, not something I could do.
It's a shame the afghans won't appreciate your efforts as much as people over here.
Anyway, like I said earlier I hope he pulls through :)
gruntygiggles
20-03-12, 07:26 PM
Stewie, I certainly couldn't do what you have ahead of you and without the good people of this country being willing to do what is needed to try and bring a little peace to this world, it would be a far worse world to live in, so my hat's off to you.
I also agree that signing up for something does not shift responsibility. A soldier signs up for duty and carries out those duties. If he/she is injured in the line of those duties, it is purely the responsibility of the person that laid the bomb/pulled the trigger etc.
As for this thread and some of the sentiment in it...forget football, forget status and fame, forget feeling the need to make a point just for the sake of making a point.
A 23 year old man almost lost his life and someone wanted to wish him well...ANYONE that thinks it is ok to question that motive needs to have a good long think about what is right and wrong in this world.
Is it not possible for people to wish others well nowadays without being criticised for it?
Live and let live people...sure, there may be things that you wish had been highlighted in the same way, but just because they weren't doesn't mean that it is in any way wrong to put up any other thread about any other person or persons.
What has happened to compassion?
MisterTommyH
21-03-12, 06:47 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-17466575 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hereford-worcester-17466575)
Another possible occurence.
tactcom7
21-03-12, 06:51 PM
Glad he's getting better according to the latest reports, has anyone stopped to wonder how long the paramedics would try and revive a 23 yr old non famous footballer? I doubt they would try for 2 hours. correct me if i'm wrong.
Specialone
21-03-12, 06:51 PM
Yeah just seen it on local news, poor kid :(
MisterTommyH
21-03-12, 06:54 PM
Not lucky enough to collpse near somewhere with a defib or medical professionals. Like I said earlier - hopefully the whole Muamba thing will raise awareness.
gruntygiggles
21-03-12, 10:11 PM
Glad he's getting better according to the latest reports, has anyone stopped to wonder how long the paramedics would try and revive a 23 yr old non famous footballer? I doubt they would try for 2 hours. correct me if i'm wrong.
You would be surprised...paramedics generally speaking will not give up. They will keep trying until they hand over to A&E.
Specialone
22-03-12, 07:06 AM
Glad he's getting better according to the latest reports, has anyone stopped to wonder how long the paramedics would try and revive a 23 yr old non famous footballer? I doubt they would try for 2 hours. correct me if i'm wrong.
Mate, how can you even suggest that?
Anybody in the medical profession would do absolutely everything they could if signs were shown that it could help, paramedics are highly trained and see this type of stuff probably more frequent than doctors and surgeons in the hospitals.
If it ever happens to me, I hope I'm near a paramedic, I'd have the best chance then.
tactcom7
22-03-12, 08:05 PM
Mate, how can you even suggest that?
Anybody in the medical profession would do absolutely everything they could if signs were shown that it could help, paramedics are highly trained and see this type of stuff probably more frequent than doctors and surgeons in the hospitals.
If it ever happens to me, I hope I'm near a paramedic, I'd have the best chance then.
Phil, was just something a mate said at work and it got me thinking. probably just me getting cynical in my old age, no offense meant.
Specialone
22-03-12, 08:19 PM
Phil, was just something a mate said at work and it got me thinking. probably just me getting cynical in my old age, no offense meant.
No worries mate :)
Owenski
23-03-12, 08:49 AM
stuff.
stuff
TBF a colleague and I had a conversation along the same lines. Structured more as
Wait for all the busy bods to get thier "why did he get 2 hours care but they gave up on my wife after 30mins" complaints in via the asswhole briefs pushing malpractise claims through hospitals.
It was corrected by another work mate who is married to an A&E nurse who said Paramedics and out of hospital staff will work on a person for as long as possible dependant on the response time and signs of life. Once in a hospital however the sad truth is that with a handful of doctors waiting on any number of paitents, they've got to stop at some point and try help someone else who may at that moment have a better chance of life.
I wonder what the future holds for him now ? he's only 23 and has his whole life ahead of him, it goes without saying that his footie carrer is over but what do you do at that age when you finally come home, sit down, flick on 'Match of the day' and go 'oh....' makes you realise how lucky you are to have your health and after the sad news this week and how life can change in the blink of an eye.
Owenski
23-03-12, 03:25 PM
I wasnt so sure his career would be over, the hard part is surely identifying you've got the condition but then once its diagnosed it can be managed by medication.
If it does put an end to it then I recon he'll go the pundit and charity route to raise awareness if he doesnt decide to take up coaching... and as if playing for Bolton wasnt depressing enough already ;)
I wasnt so sure his career would be over, the hard part is surely identifying you've got the condition but then once its diagnosed it can be managed by medication.
If it does put an end to it then I recon he'll go the pundit and charity route to raise awareness if he doesnt decide to take up coaching... and as if playing for Bolton wasnt depressing enough already ;)
Yeah I thought along the lines of coaching or punditry but then again remember that manager at Newcastle I think (?) couple of years ago ? he was only a young guy and had heart problems, if he's anything about him he could make a great front man for heart health awareness stuff.
shonadoll
23-03-12, 05:11 PM
Thing is there are patterns on an ECG that mean you can't be resuscitated anyway- I'm sure that will account for a lot of the times doctors and paramedics are seen to have discontinued treatment.
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