Another thread to randomly discuss elements surround the unfortunate demise of Reeder

[Owenski]

OK so this is a protest as opposed to an acutal thread but closing the "my incite thread.." because people were using it to openly discuss thier greivence surround the accident is a proper c**k block.

We have 3 threads:
The RIP to pay our respects to the legend.
The Box (to celebrate his time with us)
and The My Incite Thread, which served nicely for those who wished to discuss things to give them closure over the event.
We've also the renamed mega thread which is a nice testement to a regular visitor.
Thats a perfect spread of threads available for those dealing with the news, but you've closed the thread where people seem to still be discussing things relative to it. To close the thread because people are talking about trees as road side hazards its hardly off topic or insensative, these are people seeking closure amoungst like minded individuals.

I understand the 'org' needs to be policed but this goes a little beyond policing.

Yours Faithfully,

Not Impressed - Yorkshire.

[flymo]

I was thinking the same.

[Bibio]

and to start another thread is a bit OTT, then to state that your not impressed with a decision that the moderators take is even worse. the decisions moderators make to take threads down, lock or delete parts/whole are not made lightly so please respect this.

there are a lot of people on this forum who are very upset about the demise of the young lad and moaning about a decision that the moderators have come to isn't helping. if you don't like these decisions then contact John (admin) for an explanation to why the decision was made, don't go starting threads about YOUR personal dissatisfaction.

[The Idle Biker]

Has anyone heard any details about the funeral and the families wishes regarding the protocol surrounding it?

[Owenski]

The final post in the thread.

"OK so it seems that the speculation on the cause/s of Reeder's crash are concluded. The topic has moved on to roadside obstacles, so if it's still needed, another thread may be opened."

Oh the irony, so see Im just following orders Bibio. It was that statement which prompted me to make my protesting thread with excentric title. (I should explain the title was intentionally excentirc in order to exceed the level at which it could be mistaken as disrepectful towards Andrew). The instruction following notification of that thread been locked could lead to a million threads opening with his name in title and its not necessary. It was all been delt with in that thread. It wasnt off tangent it was a discussion between those in there who were helping eachother deal with the reality of it all.

Lots of people are upset yes, and in that thread we were helping one another deal with it, discussing the things we knew and the things we'd assumed - exactly like the OP did in his first post.
If locking it down was a decision which came from the top then, by all means let John explain it.
Im clearly not the only one who feels like an explanation is warrented, it may only be flymo and myself who've had the nuts to stand up and say it but I'll bet we're not the only ones.

"dont go starting threads about YOUR personal dissatisfaction."
Every thread on this forum is about someones satisfaction/disatisfaction of a topic, why should if the subject of my dissatisfaction IS the forum my right to make a thread about it be revoked? If I take a PM to John or even if I politly ask Messie Im sure both will hapily explain any reason they have (it could even be something Im completely unaware of and totally justifiable). So lets pretend it is and I get a PM which may come tomorrow, may come next week and sits in my inbox for only me to see helping no one else.
One way Im sure to get a quick response for all to see is to start a public protest, it resolves all problems:
No more threads using his name,
Everyone gets to view the reasoning if they want to know it,
It'll get dealt with sharpish and this thread drops off the bottom of the screen in no time.
I may look a proper **** at the end but feck it I can live with that its nothing new, those who know me know my ****-ness is always well intentioned even if my methods can be questionable.

Result - everyone wins.

[Messie]

I stand by my decision to lock the thread discussing possible causes of Reeder's crash. other aspects surrounding his death are fully acceptable, which is why I suggested another thread may be started.

The thread had gone so far off topic - IMO - that it had served it's original purpose. I don't see how discussion of trees or otherwise was making any valuable contribution.

I may have missed something though - I'm not sure which thread Owenski is refering to when he talks of 'my incite thread' - is it this one or another that was taken down by someone else?

[hindle8907]

I was thinking the same.

+1


The thread was not finished, a warning with the removal of the chopping down tree talk was all that was needed.


I may have missed something though - I'm not sure which thread Owenski is refering to when he talks of 'my incite thread' - is it this one or another that was taken down by someone else?
" http://forums.sv650.org/images/ca_morpheus_gray/misc/subscribed.gif My insight into Reeder's crash (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=176649)"

[Bibio]

i haven't been reading to much in the threads about Andrew as i'm personally finding it very upsetting, so i hope you can see my point about how you started the thread. i know i'm not liked on here by some people. like you i don't give a feck what people say or think about me.

[Messie]

+1


The thread was not finished, a warning with the removal of the tree talk was all that was needed.


" http://forums.sv650.org/images/ca_morpheus_gray/misc/subscribed.gif My insight into Reeder's crash (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=176649)"

There were 2 warnings given in the thread!!!!!

[hindle8907]

Yeah there was, spaced apart like mad and between the merging of another thread who was to know what warning was meant for which threads ?
The discussion was still going and it was in the general area of what caused Andrews death - road side obstacles, if we went round closing every thread that's slightly of topic we wouldn't have any open threads on this forum !

[maxinc]

I was thinking the same.

+2

I think there is a lot of BS and off topic on plenty other threads that don't get locked and are let to escalate unnecessarily. The moderator's decision, although politically correct, is not consistent with the general level of moderation on these forums, and IMO a bit over the top.

[flymo]

I think the discussion of trees and other similar roadside obstacles was entirely relevant. The discussion about whether said tree should be chopped down or not was perhaps getting a bit far off track, but hey, so what. The general direction of the thread was fine in my opinion.

Still, I'm not a moderator. You have to moderate based on your own way of doing things I guess. I thought it a little harsh to close it down though while it was in full flow.

[dizzyblonde]

Locking it or not, dunno undecided if I agree or not, but as usual the mod does what she wants anyway.

Careful Matt, your thread will be deleted so everyone can forget it was ever there ;)

[Owenski]

In fairness Messie I did see the other 2 posts of off topic warnings but as the post either side seemed relevent I genuinely assumed the off topic stuff had been posted and then removed between my visits. Only when the thread was locked did I question that they may have been relating to the posts still there and in which case I couldnt see the justification of the warning.

[-Ralph-]

Agreed Matt, I can understand why you are upset, but if it's been discussed and decided in mods corner then as members of the forum we just need to accept that decision. If not and Messie decided for herself to lock it then that's another matter. It can't be easy being a mod (I'm not sure I'd want to do it), as mods have to take decisions based upon what is essentially only their opinion on the matter. I'm grateful to all the mods on this forum otherwise we wouldn't all be here and we wouldn't have been friends with Reeder in order to loose him. I guess the measure of a good mod, is one who can separate how they feel about a thread, from the actions they take in moderating that thread.

[Owenski]

Except phil right, surely you mean "I'm greatful to all the mods on this forum except Phil otherwise..."

Once again Ralph I dont disagree with anything you say, only time will tell what the verdict is on this perticular lockage. <--pretty sure thats not a word.

[Sid Squid]

lockage. <--pretty sure thats not a word.
Is now. :D Carry on.

[Bluefish]

dizz, sleeping dog's and all that.

[RACEFIT_GLADDY]

Guys, A member of this forum has just passed away, and were managing to create a debate over threads, Nothing should matter at a time like this, Shouldn't we as an org be sticking together... Just saying.

[flymo]

Guys, A member of this forum has just passed away, and were managing to create a debate over threads, Nothing should matter at a time like this, Shouldn't we as an org be sticking together... Just saying.

I'm afraid that other stuff does matter, and will continue to regardless. I'm very sorry to have heard the news about Reeder as are many others.

This is a public forum though stuffed with people who all have opinions about one thing or another, I see no reason to prevent people expressing those opinions, even now. With the exception that we must be sensitive to the situation, forum life must go on.

I've witnessed many serious crashes in and around the race track over the years, you never forget them. One thing that sometimes might appear morbid was that after a big crash, especially when somebody had been seriously injured or even died, is that racers always wanted to go to the scene and understand what happened. Its part of getting your head around the facts and you learn from it. Whats going on here in these threads feels very similar to that.

Hopefully we don't lose another anytime soon, but debate and conversation is the life blood of this place. Long may this continue.

[Red Herring]

In fairness Messie I did see the other 2 posts of off topic warnings but as the post either side seemed relevent .......

Shame I don't type faster.... the second warning came whilst I was busy composing my post. I'm not normally the rebellious type but even if I had seen it i would have still posted. The tree played a fairly significant part in events and I thought the discussion around it entirely relevant to the topic, which was after all exactly about the cause of the incident.

And the first warning? That came after a rather funny reference to Reeder and wood. Off topic, sure, inappropriate, unnecessary or diverting the subject? Never. I suspect Messie just didn't like the theme of the thread and just wanted an excuse to stop it.

[speedplay]

And the first warning? That came after a rather funny reference to Reeder and wood. Off topic, sure, inappropriate, unnecessary or diverting the subject? Never. I suspect Messie just didn't like the theme of the thread and just wanted an excuse to stop it.


Ah, that wood be me...
Thought despite inappropriate, he would have laughed his ass off at that one.
I knew him better than a lot of others on here as we chatted online loads and called on the phone too.
I've some epic stuff from him :)

I agree with a lot of comments here and understand that it's not a democracy in this forum but people are entitled to their own opinion.
Having your thread edited or removed by the moderators because it is not agreed with is unfair and I know a few members, myself included that don't post here as much or at all for that very reason.

Christ, they don't even do that on visor down!!

[Runako]

Lockage is definitely a word!

I love Bibio (just because the name reminds me of Bilbo ever time I say it in my head).

I think the thread was useful and didn't need locking but also respect moderator's difficult job at times like this. As for messages deleted, maybe Mods could drop the offending poster a quick PM to say why?

Also agree its not a democracy but, to me, its a "community" and so everyone has the right to contribute a view (subject to moderation ;))

[21QUEST]

Lockage is definitely a word!

I love Bibio (just because the name reminds me of Bilbo ever time I say it in my head).

I think the thread was useful and didn't need locking but also respect moderator's difficult job at times like this. As for messages deleted, maybe Mods could drop the offending poster a quick PM to say why?

Also agree its not a democracy but, to me, its a "community" and so everyone has the right to contribute a view (subject to moderation ;))

A very fair and balanced take on things, in my view.

Same as everyone on every forum that has ever existed, I don't always agree with the decisions of Mods/Admins/etc. But I also know it's impossible to keep everyone happy...all the time.

Personally, If I were a Mod in charge, I wouldn't have locked it on account of the 'tree discussion'.... ;)

Anyhoos, always....allllways remember rule number six :p ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyr5TXqe8Y&feature=related

[Milky Bar Kid]

I didn't post on the thread in question but I was watching it. I felt it was a little unfair that one mod moved the tree comments into the thread and then another mod locked it for the tree comments. Made me scratch my head a little to be honest.

[davepreston]

ahhh but none of the rules take into account the sheer godlyness of dave preston
hence i am always right and you mere mortals must therefore agree with my every written word

next question
ah ha the answer is 42, you see the all knowing dave preston ,i rest my case

[Milky Bar Kid]

ahhh but none of the rules take into account the sheer godlyness of dave preston
hence i am always right and you mere mortals must therefore agree with my every written word

next question
ah ha the answer is 42, you see the all knowing dave preston ,i rest my case

U been drinking Dave? That has th be the randomest reply ever!!!

[davepreston]

A very fair and balanced take on things, in my view.

Same as everyone on every forum that has ever existed, I don't always agree with the decisions of Mods/Admins/etc. But I also know it's impossible to keep everyone happy...all the time.

Personally, If I were a Mod in charge, I wouldn't have locked it on account of the 'tree discussion'.... ;)

Anyhoos, always....allllways remember rule number six :p ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIyr5TXqe8Y&feature=related

ahhh but none of the rules take into account the sheer godlyness of dave preston
hence i am always right and you mere mortals must therefore agree with my every written word

next question
ah ha the answer is 42, you see the all knowing dave preston ,i rest my case

U been drinking Dave? That has th be the randomest reply ever!!!


come on blondey more attention required lol

[Milky Bar Kid]

come on blondey more attention required lol

Me didnae watch tha veeedeeeooooo!

[davepreston]

naughty naughty that poor man went to all the trouble of posting a link to some random place and you didnt look, feel ashamed :)

[21QUEST]

come on blondey more attention required lol

Lol. Funny thing is, you are indeed right...I actually need to pay more bladdy attention too.

You see, I hadn't even realised(well, that's what MBK says hehe) "a mod had apparently moved a tree comment from thread A to thread B. " ....where's my shandy :o

[21QUEST]

naughty naughty that poor man went to all the trouble of posting a link to some random place and you didnt look, feel ashamed :)
Yeah, thats' just lazy innit :p

[Specialone]

That was me, i didnt think we should be discussing trees etc in reeders RIP thread tbh, other people had mentioned it too, hence i moved it to the thread/discussion about the suspected reasons for him crashing as it was RELEVANT.

[Kilted Ginger]

to be fair, mbk is a whippersnapper and the 42 reference is a bit before her time.

Vote Dave Preston for god, allah, budda or yoda depending on your affiliation. ;)

[21QUEST]

That was me, i didnt think we should be discussing trees etc in reeders RIP thread tbh, other people had mentioned it too, hence i moved it to the thread/discussion about the suspected reasons for him crashing as it was RELEVANT.
And I agree, the decision to remove(read 'move') it from the RIP thread was teh correct one. :thumbsup:

Moving on from that, I'd say(in light of the additional information), there certainly appears to have been a bit of a break down in communication between a Mod or two.

[davepreston]

just a quick derail
thanks KG
\/ \/ \/

[Sid Squid]

Vote Dave Preston for god, allah, budda or yoda depending on your affiliation. ;)
None of the above, I demand a recount!

I suspect I may be guilty of some off-topicness*, oh well.

U been drinking Dave? That has th be the randomest reply ever!!!
Oorrr... Is it the most insightful and meaningful post yet? I am undecided. Again.

* This is deffo a word. No question.

[davepreston]

None of the above, I demand a recount!


recount conducted in 50 years, i still win, god was put into 3rd place but it was a close race betwen me and the cat from number 82 hamilton road but he withdrew after getting to life number 8 in a sucession of unfortunate accidents in a short period of time

i thankyou for your neverending reverance

[hindle8907]

[Thread Locked]

TO much DP talk sorry guys.

[Runako]

I am massively surprised and disappointed ... yes, disappointed that no one has invoked Rule 2! Especially considering we're talking about "Mods gone Mad" ;)