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Just saw this on the front page of the wee free paper we get through the doors:
Operation Drayton (http://www.falkirkherald.co.uk/news/local-headlines/police-operation-aims-to-educate-bikers-1-2228351) aims to educate bikers and keeping them safe. it is NOT about targeting them (but obviously if we see anyone riding in an anti-social manner they will be dealt with...)
They will be on the A84 Callander, A85 Crianlarich and A82 Tyndrum roads to speak with bikers for the next 6 months.
yup. they do this every year... fekin azzwipes.. i don't want to stop and be pestered about how to ride my bike thanks.
And they wont really be on those roads with their hairdryers pointed at you :rolleyes:
Though to be honest, with the reduced numbers they can only be in one place at a time :D
muzikill
17-04-12, 08:05 PM
and the reduced number of bikers overall tbh.
P.S. Load of rubbish about 'warnings' when the weather was peachy 3 weeks ago they were out with the gun in crianlarich. Maybe they've realised that everyone gives each other a shout further up the road so you dont get caught & the numbers aint adding up because of it.
If they cant catch you speeding they've now decided to stop you and check out your bikes legit with the cover of 'being helpful'
Maybe im just paranoid!
Maybe im just paranoid!
Its only paranoia if its not true ;)
if they want to help bikers stay safe then they should be educating the card drivers about the vulnerability of bikes.
punyXpress
17-04-12, 08:35 PM
and the reduced number of bikers overall tbh.
If they cant catch you speeding they've now decided to stop you and check out your bikes legit with the cover of 'being helpful'
Maybe im just paranoid!
Just like North Wales 3 or 4 years ago!
I've only seen them do something like this once, at the Green Welly, they were just handing out free ear plugs and little maps of good roads in the area.
But then, I'm of low interest to them, bog standard bike and I ride like a girl... (until I'm out of their sight as SV4ME will testify to...)
Tiger 55
17-04-12, 08:54 PM
6 people killed since 2006? How many killed horse riding in that time? Falling down stairs?
Oh well, it won't hurt to be polite...
appollo1
17-04-12, 09:36 PM
if they want to help bikers stay safe then they should be educating the card drivers about the vulnerability of bikes.
i agree with you there. it would be better for the officers to take the time to stop cars and remind them to be more alert to bikes on the roads.
They've be better putting up a few more of these on common biker routes
http://www.barrystamp.co.uk/blogger/uploaded_images/bikers-sign-757083.jpg
on yer bike
18-04-12, 12:12 PM
when I was stopped a couple of years ago, they claimed to stop me to check the bike wasn't stolen... Could they not have set up a number plate recognition camera further up the road, and only stopped me if it came up as stolen? they then went round my bike to check the "legality" of the bike.
My question is do you legally have to stop, surely they can only legally stop you if you've been seen to be doing something wrong? I wouldn't want to be the one to test out driving around the officer pulling me over but it is a thought.
I have to agree they'd be better educating the car drivers out there to be aware of the presence of bikes.
Sadly it tends to be the biker that comes off worse when a car pulls out on them, or by taking that corner a little bit too fast, or sliding on that gravel.
Which I guess makes us the easier target to tell to slow down or be more observant.
If It's police then yes you have to stop.
Or risk a nick.
Your first question should be " Officer, what moving offence did i commit, giving you reason to stop me?"
I believe they have to have a reason and not just cos they feel like it! If he doesn't have a reason then you are entitled to drive away!
Go on you try it! I would love to but the only times i have ever been stopped they have had a reason, never been stopped on the bike, yet.
Kilted Ginger
18-04-12, 04:01 PM
To be fair i dont have a problem with this, they monitor these roads (and all others) anyway, giving the warning allows those that need to to modify their riding style.
Its the summer, the biking roads always attract more attention.
I've had a few conversations with the police bikers, at the green welly, at a heavily manned inspection stop they were running and ocassionally in McDonalds or somewhere else i've stopped for a coffee. I've always found them to be helpful rather than being overly pedantic about the legality of the bike. One even agreed to do an ad-hoc bike safe type ride with me there and then.
Central (who cover this road) are the only force whose bikers volunteer for bike safe, all the other forces get paid for it, the central boys do it on their time off. nuff said.
As for stopping you for a chat, unless you're riding like a loon or speeding, or its been a very quiet day then its very unlikely you'll get stopped. They tend to park at the welly or the wee cafe at loch tay. Last year they actually suggested i may want to be carefull with my speed heading back to doune as there was a van there that afternoon.
The Traffic bods (cage) sometimes are given targets and work in connection with the vosa and if you are told to target "unsafe" vehicles then, old heaps, vans, boy racer cars and bikes are the most likely to have faults or not 100% legal mods.
Kilted Ginger
18-04-12, 04:01 PM
To be fair i dont have a problem with this, they monitor these roads (and all others) anyway, giving the warning allows those that need to to modify their riding style.
Its the summer, the biking roads always attract more attention.
I've had a few conversations with the police bikers, at the green welly, at a heavily manned inspection stop they were running and ocassionally in McDonalds or somewhere else i've stopped for a coffee. I've always found them to be helpful rather than being overly pedantic about the legality of the bike. One even agreed to do an ad-hoc bike safe type ride with me there and then.
Central (who cover this road) are the only force whose bikers volunteer for bike safe, all the other forces get paid for it, the central boys do it on their time off. nuff said.
As for stopping you for a chat, unless you're riding like a loon or speeding, or its been a very quiet day then its very unlikely you'll get stopped. They tend to park at the welly or the wee cafe at loch tay. Last year they actually suggested i may want to be carefull with my speed heading back to doune as there was a van there that afternoon.
The Traffic bods (cage) sometimes are given targets and work in connection with the vosa and if you are told to target "unsafe" vehicles then, old heaps, vans, boy racer cars and bikes are the most likely to have faults or not 100% legal mods.
yup the 'chat' police only park up in well known biker stops and go around chatting to you, they don't actually pull you over. lochside cafe at st marys is another favourite. one place i have never seen them is the hungry highlander.
Tiger 55
18-04-12, 04:29 PM
The Traffic bods (cage) sometimes are given targets...
Which they hate, but bang goes their discretion to let you off with a friendly word of advice.
I seriously bristle at the presumption my bike is illegal somehow, but they don't know me from Adam at the end of the day. I'm sticking with polite.
*pops out to make sure bike is legal*
I've been stopped by the local operation last year: http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2533752&postcount=1399
Took about 10 minutes, was more about looking at the bike, checking tax and insurance (had the papers with me), not a word about the exhaust which was on the louder setting.
Ok, where I come from, police stops are normal and the coppers aren't as polite as I've met here but I really didn't mind it that much.
Could they not have set up a number plate recognition camera further up the road
More cameras on the roads?
But speaking of which, which forces here have ANPR equipment?
Kilted Ginger
18-04-12, 07:51 PM
But speaking of which, which forces here have ANPR equipment?
All of them, there are a few static ones as well, both sides of the forth and kincardine bridges are the only ones i've had confirmed.
iirc the only force heli with anpr and speed cameras is wales, there was a news report about it.
appollo1
18-04-12, 08:44 PM
i have been reliably informed by an officer from Fife Constabulary that all bridges leading into Fife (Tay and Forth) have ANPR cameras on them and in the words of the officer "unless you use the side roads all cars entering Fife over the bridges get ANPR checked."
Certain police vehicles i.e traffic (BMW types) have ANPR but the cars used by the local officers do not. so i have been told!
Milky Bar Kid
18-04-12, 09:43 PM
when I was stopped a couple of years ago, they claimed to stop me to check the bike wasn't stolen... Could they not have set up a number plate recognition camera further up the road, and only stopped me if it came up as stolen? they then went round my bike to check the "legality" of the bike.
My question is do you legally have to stop, surely they can only legally stop you if you've been seen to be doing something wrong? I wouldn't want to be the one to test out driving around the officer pulling me over but it is a thought.
Your first question should be " Officer, what moving offence did i commit, giving you reason to stop me?"
I believe they have to have a reason and not just cos they feel like it! If he doesn't have a reason then you are entitled to drive away!
Go on you try it! I would love to but the only times i have ever been stopped they have had a reason, never been stopped on the bike, yet.
Incorrect. We are allowed to stop any vehicle being driven on a road under S163 of the RTA. We have the power to do this in order for us to carry out driver documentation check.
I suggest, that unless you want the jail, you do not carry out the above suggestion of driving away.
on yer bike
19-04-12, 07:08 PM
I'm just playing with you... But while we're on the topic, unless I have been misinformed there are no powers to detain under S163, yes it is an offence not to stop. But only an arrestable one if other offences have been found to occur?
looking at case Sanders v DPP [1988] Cr.L.R. 605 It is also permissible to stop, then drive away as SIII suggests without committing any offence as long as you have informed the officers of your intention to do so (and as above, no other offences are suspected).
Milky Bar Kid
19-04-12, 08:12 PM
I'm just playing with you... But while we're on the topic, unless I have been misinformed there are no powers to detain under S163, yes it is an offence not to stop. But only an arrestable one if other offences have been found to occur?
looking at case Sanders v DPP [1988] Cr.L.R. 605 It is also permissible to stop, then drive away as SIII suggests without committing any offence as long as you have informed the officers of your intention to do so (and as above, no other offences are suspected).
I didn't say they would detain you, it does, however, have a conditional power of arrest attached (which has various different conditions).
The issue with the stated case you have quoted (can't be bothered to go and look it up) is that we have the power to require any driver to provide their details/driving licence and insurance. If you were to drive away whilst we were requiring you to provide the above, then you would be committing the offence of failure to produce the above which would result in points and a fine. Your choice.
Just re your initial post about ANPR and stolen bikes, ANPR isn't always the best at catching out stolen vehicles as people tend to fire different plates onto them so without actually stopping the vehicle, it is very difficult to find stolen motors. If you had a bike nicked, I'm sure you'd be quite happy if the cops were stopping bikes and giving them the once over...
Central (who cover this road) are the only force whose bikers volunteer for bike safe, ...
When they did it, the Fife guys also did it in their own time on sponsored bikes
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