next bike, your suggestions ?

[rictus01]

So Monday the docs and keys get sent off for the KTM, from there on it's no longer anything to do with me, to cheer me up I can at least think of what I'll get as a replacement.

Call me greedy if you like but I like having at least two bikes on the road at any given time, for those that don't know I have a Triumph speed four; it's got a drop plate on the left footpeg for my knee, straight handlebar conversion, heated grips, topbox, all that sort of thing, it'll do just about everything I need, so the totally practical IL4 thing is covered, I can only think of one other bike I actually want that would go well with it and I'm not sure of that (I'll sort out a test ride soon) but apart from that I'm finding it hard to think of anything else*, so I'll lay down a criteria and let you guys give me inspiration.

In no priority order.


not an IL4
nothing brand new, say 2005 onwards ish...
relaxed riding position (think dinning room chair kind of thing)
decent quality suspension
relatively light in overall weight
comfortable cruising speed (sit at 70-80 for a full tank)
no clipon's or race type position
under 800cc & over 500cc
although I've had 11 of the Hinkley Triumphs, I'm not into anything they make with the 675/800 triple so discount them.


So the ball's in your court, suggest away.....


Cheers Mark.


the trouble is I've had a lot of bikes over the years and apart from big tourers or custom things have had just about every other type, I would consider a naked pointy 650, but it'd need at least some suspension work


.

[Mr Speirs]

Dorsoduro
Shiver
Hypermotard 796
Kawasaki zr750
Yamaha xt660x
Yamaha MT03
Honda CB600F

[rictus01]

Brother has the dorito factory thing, and I've tried both that and the Shiver, neither float my boat, Ducati's are a little fragile for the amount of use I tend to put on my bikes, but good try.

[WayneL]

What about something like this? http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201207450807850/

[NTECUK]

What about a super scooter?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/288696/images/srv850-1.jpg

[DJ123]

I don't know if it's your cup of tea, how about an F800GS

[Paul the 6th]

Vfr800

[rictus01]

What about something like this? http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201207450807850/

As I said might consider a naked sv, but it wouldn't be that one

What about a super scooter?

whilst they maybe all the rage at the moment it took 17 weeks in a full leg cask and an inability to change gear to get me on one before, as I don't have those restrictions at the moment....it isn't going to happen.

I don't know if it's your cup of tea, how about an F800GS

I find the big off road style a bit pointless to be honest added to that the quality issues with the F800's and they are not so appealing .


Cheers Mark.

[rictus01]

Vfr800

Paul I'm old, but not that old...;), seriously though, I couldn't live with the vtec system (I rode one back from cornwall a few years back) and besides they are about 220kg dry, so far to heavy.

Cheers Mark.

[Sy-superfly]

What about a flat tracker, that's something different.

[Paul the 6th]

adventure 640?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/218369/images/640_Adventure.jpg

[rictus01]

What about a flat tracker, that's something different.

the CCM 404ds (parked up in the front) covers that; I may get that out, but been there done that already.

adventure 640?
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/upload/218369/images/640_Adventure.jpg

the knee means I'll never ride off road seriously, so I can't see any point in a bike compromised on road; for something I'm not going to use.

[Paul the 6th]

the CCM 404ds (parked up in the front) covers that; I may get that out, but been there done that already.



the knee means I'll never ride off road seriously, so I can't see any point in a bike compromised on road; for something I'm not going to use.

So stick some sticky slick rubber on and go supermoto mental? :D you could even hang your leg off like the SM racers ;)

[Paul the 6th]

Actually - do you *HAVE* to have 2x bikes? If there's nothing that tickles your fancy right now, just ride the triumph until your eyes start to wander, then at that point you can go and try whatever it is you're lusting after?

[rictus01]

So stick some sticky slick rubber on and go supermoto mental? :D you could even hang your leg off like the SM racers ;)

the CCM is a better supermoto than that, probably a duke 2 would be a better suggestion, but to be honest the CCM felt gutless compared to the superduke although they do a 710cc hammer version CCM.

[dizzyblonde]

192kg dry weight. You knows it ;)

At least you its more likely to make 'you' smile more than most

[dizzyblonde]

Actually - do you *HAVE* to have 2x bikes? If there's nothing that tickles your fancy right now, just ride the triumph until your eyes start to wander, then at that point you can go and try whatever it is you're lusting after?

This is Mark you are talking to, its not in his vocabulary to not have any less than two in the shed and two on the road......or nine in the shed...... :lol:

[rictus01]

Lou is perfectly correct ... :) , as I said I have one bike in mind, just thought the combined Org might come up with something I hadn't considered so far. OK unlikely but if you don't ask.....

[maviczap]

Gladius, but with a JHS Racing 700cc conversion. Seems to tick most of your list ;)

[Bibio]

i know you said no il4 but what about gsx750?

versys?

[dizzyblonde]

Ps the 650 version should be lighter.....flat bars, dining chair seating ..

What is it you have in mind anyway, you never said tother day

[rictus01]

Gladius, but with a JHS Racing 700cc conversion. Seems to tick most of your list ;)

I've had a JHS 700 kit on the SV, wouldn't go there again, not sure I could cover the oil bill, but more relevant I'm not keen on the looks of the gladius and of course budget suspension again.

i know you said no il4 but what about gsx750?

versys?

I'm a firm believer, every biker should own a "gixer"* once in their life, I did; back in 89, or did you mean the GSX750W (retro looking bandit thing), budget suspension, it's an IL4 and compared to the S4 handles like a barge.

Cheers Mark.

*that's a 750cc GSXR, not a 600 or 1000.

[Sudoxe]

Triumph scrambler?

[pookie]

what about a gsr 600/ 750 or fz8n for naked ness..

[rictus01]

Triumph scrambler?

Hmmmm, might give one a go, I haven't ridden one of those only the 790 bonnie.

[rictus01]

what about a gsr 600/ 750 or fz8n for naked ness..

IL4's, got one of those and a good one at that, I'd like something of a different configuration.

Cheers Mark.

[Bibio]

i meant the GSR.. silly me

[pookie]

dare I mention the H word ? I mean harley xr1200

[NTECUK]

When you get old ,shouldn't you get a Hog or a Wing lol.

[NTECUK]

One of theses
http://foto.infomotori.com/foto/N/cache/art_23569_1_01_big.jpg

[rictus01]

dare I mention the H word ? I mean harley xr1200

I do like the style, but not the engine, the weights a no no as well

When you get old ,shouldn't you get a Hog or a Wing lol.

Both heavy weight, my knee won't hold up for more than the occasional ride, and I intend to do more than that, if I could manage that kind of weight I'd still be on the speed triple

[rictus01]

One of theses
http://foto.infomotori.com/foto/N/cache/art_23569_1_01_big.jpg

weight again, also think it's ugly as sin to.

I've two possibles so far

yes I know I said I wasn't keen on the off road type, but you really wouldn't with the triumph , would you :smt102

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery%20C/Triumph%20Scrambler%20900%2090%20%201.jpg

Now this appeals to me, I had one back in 95, but this is the XT660 yam engined (Aprilia breathed on) one.

http://www.onyerbike.net/images/bikes/aprilia/pegasos/7.jpg

http://www.anchor-motorcycles.co.uk/images/bikes/aprilia_pegaso_strada_right_650.jpg
Cheers Mark.

[speedplay]

You looked at some of the smaller MV's mark?

[dizzyblonde]

That triumph above......how do you not burn your leg?
Suppose it would keep yer legs warm!
Speedplay, I didn't think MV did knee friendly bikes?

[rictus01]

You looked at some of the smaller MV's mark?

I took out a 750 f4 and a 910 brutale when I was looking around and got the superduke, didn't do anything for me, now if I was buying a bike to just look at they would win the day.

[rictus01]

unless he ment MZ?
they made this

http://www.pakautocar.com/MZ_Baghira_BP_05.jpg

[rictus01]

oh and they also did the Mastiff to, both use the Yam XT660 lump as well

http://www.diseno-art.com/images/MZ_660mastiff.jpg

[maviczap]

That triumph above......how do you not burn your leg?
Suppose it would keep yer legs warm!


Asbestos knickers :p

[Paul the 6th]

Lzh Planeta 5? - The russian motorcycle which claudio got as a replacement when his bmw broke in long way round
http://dayerses.com/data_images/posts/izh-planeta-5/izh-planeta-5-03.jpg

[NTECUK]

I found big traile's ungainly .
Yes I'm a short arsed .
But the high-level weigh ft low speed gives my knee grief.

[Littlepeahead]

Bergman 400? They're all the rage in Soho you know.

[Whyte25]

What about an old streetfightered gsxr ?

[rictus01]

certainly left field Paul, not sure about dealer backup for parts though.

[rictus01]

Bergman 400? They're all the rage in Soho you know.

:mrgreen: all the rage is right he may have company soon (no not me)

What about an old streetfightered gsxr ?

it's an IL4....

[Whyte25]

Doh !! missed that key point :-(

[Paul the 6th]

Bimota tesi 3d (ctrl and - to zoom out or ctrl and + to zoom back in again)

http://redliners.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/07_bimota_tesi2d.jpg

[littleoldman2]

Might be hard to find second hand and have budget suspension but what about a Honda NC700.

[rictus01]

is that the auto gearbox thing ?

[Geodude]

Guzzi griso or breva?

http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/howto/smart_money/122_1101_2005_to_2008_bmw_k1200r/31519486++w760+ar1/122_1101_02_o+2006_moto_guzzi_griso+.jpg

[rictus01]

Guzzi griso or breva?

http://image.motorcyclistonline.com/f/howto/smart_money/122_1101_2005_to_2008_bmw_k1200r/31519486++w760+ar1/122_1101_02_o+2006_moto_guzzi_griso+.jpg

to heavy

[littleoldman2]

is that the auto gearbox thing ?

No ordinary manual gearbox and 80mpg, but only 48bhp.

[Geodude]

I think the breva750 is 182kg dry? Hmm will keep looking then. Whats max weight you can manage?

[rictus01]

under 200kg wet is about the limit I can manage all the time, over that and I'm either doing an up turned turtle impression or have to limit my riding.

[rictus01]

No ordinary manual gearbox and 80mpg, but only 48bhp.

just read four reviews on it, god it sounds boring, I don't ride to save on petrol and although I sometimes have sleeping problems, doing it on a bike doesn't strike me as a good idea.....

I don't have a problem with lower power ( the pegaso is only 50bhp), I'm not going to find much that beats the "in your face" of the superduke, but it does need to be fun at least.

[dizzyblonde]

Depends on your spending ceiling..... V4?

[andrewsmith]

Dorsoduro
Shiver
Hypermotard 796
Kawasaki zr750
Yamaha xt660x
Yamaha MT03
Honda CB600F

I agree with that list
Anything with the XT660 lump will be reliable and last

If your looking italian the Pegaso has always grabbed my interest
I think there is a couple of relatively new DR650's from the states floating around (Same motor with beefed up DRZ400 parts)

[littleoldman2]

just read four reviews on it, god it sounds boring, I don't ride to save on petrol and although I sometimes have sleeping problems, doing it on a bike doesn't strike me as a good idea.....

I don't have a problem with lower power ( the pegaso is only 50bhp), I'm not going to find much that beats the "in your face" of the superduke, but it does need to be fun at least.

Just thinking radical as none of us seems to be hitting the right note.

Suppose that's the Dullville out then;)

[pookie]

how about another h..well maybe a buell xb12s its nekid and 179kg..sounds very fruity too :)

[NTECUK]

Sv 1000.
Back to the fold ;)

[Jackie_Black]

DL 650 V-Strom (new one)..

They look good and aren't too heavy.

[dizzyblonde]

Sv 1000.
Back to the fold ;)
That goes against the weight issue. Mark wants light, not lardy. Pretty sure its heavier than the raptor 1000 too(or pretty similar), which handles better and ' subjective' uprated standard suspension from the off.


Marks order is tall, folks need to.be reading his requirements before posting suggestions, and bear in mind that he's most likely dismissed most suggestions, as he's either already owned or ridden, after all there's not a lot he hasn't ridden or owned

Superduke is a pretty hard thing to come down from, so almost anything else will be bland in comparison.

[davepreston]

my 2 pence
sv1000n (obviously)
v strom 1000
aprilla turono
benelli tnt (they do a gorgeous cafe racer style too)
ktm super duke 990 (well lets be honest you fecking loved it)
yam bt1100 bulldog (something a bit different)

[davepreston]

dizz he didnt have a problem with my thou so i do think its a valid option

[dizzyblonde]

my 2 pence
sv1000n (obviously) heavy and over 800cc
v strom 1000 heavy and over 800cc
aprilla turono as above...I too suggested before thinking of weight
benelli tnt (they do a gorgeous cafe racer style too) no clip ons?
ktm super duke 990 (well lets be honest you fecking loved it)......
yam bt1100 bulldog (something a bit different)


Dave, lets just agree he should have another Duke :cheers: :lol:

Mark.....its the only bl00dy thing that ticks your boxes, and taste...... but Buell ticks the looney box I suppose!

[davepreston]

yep another duke
ps the benelli do a flat bar version as well as cafe racer and standard

[AndyBrad]

Can't have a super duke as its over 800 cc did you not read ;)



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[dizzyblonde]

:lol: Andy, I already know his answer to the Duke suggestion. I was aware its over 800cc silly ;)

[rictus01]

I'm steering away from anything that would be a comparison to the superduke, hence the two i mention above both having 50 bhp, but a fun ride.

[speedplay]

Aprilia mana 850?

Hate to say this as I've ripped the piss out of it for ages but having recently ridden one.
Not a bad little bike.

[rictus01]

Hmmmm it falls into the same trap as the bmw's I love the k1300, but i can't get my head around the (very effective) weird feeling suspension, I like my clutch and use it for bike balance as well as gear changes, I can see a need for something like that in the future, but not yet.

Cheers Mark.

[NTECUK]

Oh your hard work ,
Too hard
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-Aprilia-Dorsoduro-Aprilia-Dorsoduro-Dorsoduro-Petrol-/300659704495?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4600b702af

[rictus01]

Haha, yeah, but then I've owner many bikes, so pretty hard to find something I haven't tried already, might give the Shiver & dorito another go a sit's been a couple of years since I test rode them,shame more of the middle weights don't have decent bouncy bits.

[Sid Squid]

The Pegaso is great, I really enjoyed it, and the Scrambler is immensely cool.

'Cos I'm nice, you have my blessing to own either.

Yes, I'm aware this is a repeat of the conversation we had on Friday.

[rictus01]

I'm surprised you didn't recommend the Atlantic Ian.....;)

[rictus01]

Oh if only.........

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/laverda-jota-180-series-2-/280872684434?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4165510b92

[maviczap]

Yes, if only

[The Idle Biker]

FFS Mark, don't you understand, we ask you for advice not the other way round.

Get a BMW 800ST. My mates got one. He loves it. I think it's sh!te, but I know feck all. Hope this helps. ;-)

[rictus01]

FFS Mark, don't you understand, we ask you for advice not the other way round.

Get a BMW 800ST. My mates got one. He loves it. I think it's sh!te, but I know feck all. Hope this helps. ;-)


Hey I very rarely ask anything anyway, just thought you lot might come up with something left field I'd not considered.

as to the F800,my brother has one, I know the problems he's had, your mate is wrong you're right....:mrgreen:

[Sid Squid]

Jota! Are you ****ing serious?

A Jota isn't a motorcycle - it's an 80hp barge.

[Rumble bee]

might give the Shiver & dd another go

Have you seen the shiver gt? Its just a shiver with a proper screen. The dd has the better suspension, but a smaller tank 90 - 100 miles, I get about 120 miles out of my shiver.

Ill just leave this here,

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/c_wilkinson85/851e212c.jpg

[rictus01]

Jota! Are you ****ing serious?

A Jota isn't a motorcycle - it's an 80hp barge.

I don't want to ride it, I'm not that daft.

[rictus01]

Have you seen the shiver gt? Its just a shiver with a proper screen. The dd has the better suspension, but a smaller tank 90 - 100 miles, I get about 120 miles out of my shiver.

Ill just leave this here,

http://i293.photobucket.com/albums/mm60/c_wilkinson85/851e212c.jpg

yeah I have a deal about a mile away from me, the power mode thing is just silly after a play I just left it in sport and rode as normal using my right hand.

[Rumble bee]

Snap, I always use the sport mode. Got a quick action thottle on it too.

Heres a good forum for them,

http://www.apriliaforum.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?63-2008-2012-Shiver-SL750-Dorsoduro-750

[Winder]

I know you said nothing new but the 2012 Duke 690 looks ace.
Ticks quite a few of your boxes

[andreis]

Well, maybe the new 690 Duke :
-Very Light
-great position
-sporty (not like the big brother though)
-not too powerful (again, unlike the big brother) - ~70bhp
-good torque from down low
-very smooth
-look great (to me at least)
-great mpg (something the big brother lacks as well)
- I think it sounds great

Downsides:
- Does not have great wind protection (but neither did the big Duke, and you liked it just fine)
- Cannot carry a lot of weight (probably only a couple of kgs on the back)

Here's a video with it from MCN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezCf55TkexA

Later edit : just saw the post from Winder, sorry for reposting the same suggestion...

[Winder]

:study:You copied my homework Andreis:study:

[rictus01]

well scrap the triumph scrambler, looks cool and I could probably live with the limited power, but it's a bit soft in both the steering and bouncy bits, Oh well worth a go, you don't know until you try.

[NTECUK]

So no repeat of the great escape on the back roads round Maldon on the AR 12 then .

[jambo]

Technically the motor's a little large, and it's a little new. However, in many forms of motorsport an air cooled motor should be allowed a slight capacity advantage.

I'll just leave this here.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/Norton%20Commando%20961%20Sport/index.php#.T5_XAKtYtcU

Jambo

Edit: I know your thoughts on Ducati's but I would seriously go and ride a Sport Classic GT 1000 too
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/sportclassic/gt1000/index.do

[rowdy]

I know its against your criteria Mark, but my dad has recently bought a Tiger 800 and its a cracking bike. His has the road biased wheel/tyre combo and feels more like a normal nakid bike to ride than the styling would suggest.
The engine is very free revving and economy not too bad, its currently averaging just over 50mpg riding at a steady 70/80mph. His has the gel seat so comfort isn't too bad and it feels nice and light to ride (although I have been riding my 850GS lately so anything feels light after that).

You probably have tried one of these already though!

[rictus01]

Technically the motor's a little large, and it's a little new. However, in many forms of motorsport an air cooled motor should be allowed a slight capacity advantage.

I'll just leave this here.
http://www.nortonmotorcycles.com/bikes/Norton%20Commando%20961%20Sport/index.php#.T5_XAKtYtcU

Jambo

Edit: I know your thoughts on Ducati's but I would seriously go and ride a Sport Classic GT 1000 too
http://www.ducati.com/bikes/sportclassic/gt1000/index.do

I subscribed to them a few years ago for the development updates and have seen the end result at the NEC show, exclusive yes, but that's to do with price more than riding pleasure, lot of money, I did think about one pre-superduke, but a bike needs more than just good looks, likewise the classic range of ducatis, a 900ss or monster rides as well for a lot less.



I know its against your criteria Mark, but my dad has recently bought a Tiger 800 and its a cracking bike. His has the road biased wheel/tyre combo and feels more like a normal nakid bike to ride than the styling would suggest.
The engine is very free revving and economy not too bad, its currently averaging just over 50mpg riding at a steady 70/80mph. His has the gel seat so comfort isn't too bad and it feels nice and light to ride (although I have been riding my 850GS lately so anything feels light after that).

You probably have tried one of these already though!

a couple of problems here, I've spent over 650,000 miles with the 955i triple and the smaller ones feel lacking in comparison, probably not something most would suffer from, they have a similar "feel" but missing something.

Fuel economy isn't one of my overriding concerns as if I'm out "playing" and having fun a heay right hand will make most bikes drink juice quickly anyway, I ride for fun and that's more important.

Cheers Mark.

[jambo]

likewise the classic range of ducatis, a 900ss or monster rides as well for a lot less.
Cheers Mark.
What the GT 1000 does have, however, is handle bars you can use, and a riding position that might be possible, while 2nd hand ones are available for a lot less than the Norton. I've read the criteria and aside from being a couple of hundred cc over, I think it's worth a look.

Otherwise, Yamaha TRX and spend the difference on a trip to Maxton? :D

Jambo

[jambo]

Today's left field choice, BMW R850R. Road bias rather than a gs, while it is likely to be heavy for what you'd want, that weight will be quite low.

Andthe fuel tank's in the right place!

Jambo

[rictus01]

Look I know you're married now with a kid and all that, but will you stop it...I'm not buying a Beemer.....

anyway off down the coast in awhile to have a play on an Aprilia.

[ravingdavis]

I'm a big fan of the updated Shiver, it is significantly better than the first one Aprilia released. Have a go on one!

[NTECUK]

What about a jet ski.
LOl

[rictus01]

I rode the shiver a couple of years ago and would be buying new, but I'll have another go on one just for kicks next week, but today is "thumper" day, off for a test ride of the pegaso in a bit, lets see if I can live with 50bhp in a more modern design than the scrambler, be interesting to compare the two as they have the same power according to the spec sheet.

Looking outside just now a jet ski isn't such a bad idea, but then I don't do wet or cold, so it's a good job I re-proofed my textiles last week, besides wet weather only requires a change of wardrobe and mindset, then just enjoy the ride....;)

[joe_f59]

Id get one of these

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-7RlL3YtiQ

[rowdy]

Today's left field choice, BMW R850R. Road bias rather than a gs, while it is likely to be heavy for what you'd want, that weight will be quite low.

Andthe fuel tank's in the right place!

Jambo
I have an R850GS.
It is fecking heavy (even if the weight is fairly low).

[rictus01]

Oh I'm sure if beemers were sold on weight, they'd be very good value for money....;)

test rode three bikes today, I'll post my thoughts later.

Cheers Mark.