Wtf? Massive labour gains?

[Specialone]

Have the general public had a memory wipe or something?

Labour have had a successful night, wtf? It was them idiots who got us in the doo doo in the first place, the Tories have had to make unpopular cuts and changes to attempt to reduce the deficit, a deficit which was created by labour.


What do they think labour can do differently? They will either spend again or heavily tax us, there is no other option for them.

Do the public think the tories like making unpopular changes and cuts? If they could don't they think they would love to give us tax breaks etc?

Fickle voting will cost us dearly.

Rant postponed.

[littleoldman2]

Throughout the history of local elections the opposition have always gained nothing new here.

[timwilky]

Yes, my local council has just gone red. I cannot understand it. We actually had a reduction (only small) in our council tax and the new lots blurb proposed spending not saving money.

I put a lot of this down to the unfairness of council taxes where those that pay the rates are the minority of voters. So too many the cost of local councils is meaningless.

[garynortheast]

Dunno what you're grumbling about. I can't see the difference between the two parties. They're both full of equally incompetent, dogma driven, self interested twits. Oh, and so is that other crowd of traiterous turncoats currently in bed with the tories.

[MisterTommyH]

Standard mate. Mid-terms generally go quite far the other way. Also with it this way round labour seem to be much better at the mud slinging - and the press have loved that and not exactly been impartial.

It is amazing that it's happened given that a lot of people vote based on national coverage and the reds have such a limp wristed leader.

Don't forget, they've had to do what they can in the first half of the term so they can tone it down later to appease fickle voters.

[dizzyblonde]

Dunno what you're grumbling about. I can't see the difference between the two parties. They're both full of equally incompetent, dogma driven, self interested twits. Oh, and so is that other crowd of traiterous turncoats currently in bed with the tories.

That's because they are all in the same club. They are the same organisation, just a different department. They flip coins to see who does what next, you don't really think voting is what chooses who does what next do you??

[Fallout]

Agreed. I don't know how anyone could vote Labour when they're a bunch of irresponsible clowns. Mind you, I don't know how anyone can vote Torie or Lib Dem either. All a bunch of clowns.

I say we put together a biker party.

[Bri w]

Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public

[grimey121uk]

That's because they are all in the same club. They are the same organisation, just a different department. They flip coins to see who does what next, you don't really think voting is what chooses who does what next do you??

+1
I never understood people following a certain party, nothing has ever and will never change.

Democracy is a nothing more than wool over peoples eyes making them think they have a choice

[maviczap]

Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public

Yep

who are you by the way ;)

[flymo]

I vote for a person, a representative that shares the same values as I do. Which party they happen to represent usually comes second.

[littleoldman2]

I vote for a person, a representative that shares the same values as I do. Which party they happen to represent usually comes second.

I would like to do that locally as my two councillors are very good, hard working blokes doing their best for the local community (in general) . But in the vote they tow the party line.

[daveyrach]

Doesn't seem to matter who you vote for they are all a bunch of t*****s, any how wan't the tories who started the housing crisis we currently have in the country and privatised pretty much everything they could, similar to what they seem to be trying to do with the NHS.

At risk of a huge backlash I think the Tories are a bunch of posh public school boys who are completely out of touch with modern British society, which is what one of their own MP's said.

[punyXpress]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bri w http://forums.sv650.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?p=2705170#post2705170)
Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public
From Maviczap:

Yep

who are you by the way :wink:

He's one of us & rides under a different surname, pulverising Lambos with his trusty SV

[Jackie_Black]

They are all scum but the way I see it the blues are less keen than the reds to give money i've earned to people who can't be arsed to earn their own. They also don't just invent random public sector jobs to get people off the dole.

[maviczap]

He's one of us & rides under a different surname, pulverising Lambos with his trusty SV

Look don't take Joe's name in vain, look at the trouble it caused last time when small clanger had a pop :plod:

[punyXpress]

The government ALWAYS loses a shed load of seats in mid-term elections - par for the course.
32% turnout says it all really!
Like being invited into a Ferrari showroom & taking your pick - only to find the choice is limited tosecond hand, twice round the clock , Trabants.
Interesting that the Resect Party ( now THERE's an oxymoron ) did so well in Bradford includind demoting the former leader of the council.

[The Guru]

Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public

Why just 'middle England' has the Union been broken?... I don't remember voting for it.

[Bri w]

Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public

Yep

who are you by the way ;)

I am another statistic, not a real person....:alien:

[Owenski]

Damned if we do, damnded if we dont.
However I did and I voted blue, gobsmacked that Labour have done so well.
I agree with Phil, those too many people want short term results and dont seem willing to suffer for a bit just to get the balance restored.
Its like buyers remorse but vote gov voting lol.

RESPECT have been plugging things in Bradford for a while so that doesnt suprise me, its because they know their market. They're pluggin they they'll end the middle east conflicts... in an area rammed with middle eastern decendants.
Its exactly what BNP and UKIP have been doing round here for years, BNP go to the dominant white council estates near the asien areas and shout about british pride UKIP come up here to the 5bed detached houses stating what they think has been the ruin of our once great nation etc etc.
My point is, you dont set up a burger van at a vegan festival. Take it to the fat camp entrance and watch the tubby's eat all your stock before going in.

[Stenno]

Society is based on boom and bust... we're not the only country struggling and we're better off than some.

I mistakenly voted Tory.. I learnt a lesson. So far I've seen or heard proposed police cuts, defence cuts, change to employment law, increased tuition fees. The chancellor has no money yet we give £11Billion to other countries.

[punyXpress]

They are all scum but the way I see it the blues are less keen than the reds to give money i've earned to people who can't be arsed to earn their own. They also don't just invent random public sector jobs to get people off the dole. . .
. . and thus to vote for them ( and they STILL didn't win! )
Interesting how we hear of all the local authority job cuts: Police, Libraries, Care Homes etc, and yet very little about all those tens of thousands of ' non-jobs ' - it appears the authorities must definitely have a hidden agenda about those!

[Jackie_Black]

There's no point in voting red for anything at the minute. I believe their business model is flawed. The blues have the right idea (sort of). The economy reflects my real life situation at the moment, Overspent! Hence I have to make cuts, most people do, its no wonder the country has to. Stuff that isnt as important has to go and quickly. Otherwise we are going to do a Greece, the countryhas been lazy for years while there was plenty of cash and has obviously how forgot grim things really are :(. We all need to pay back our tick! It's just wierd when the entire country is doing it.

[punyXpress]

We all need to pay back our tick!
That's half the problem, JB.
While we're paying back, we aren't spending & buying all the stuff our factories are making.
Yes, I realise it's not quite like that.

[Teejayexc]

They are all scum but the way I see it the blues are less keen than the reds to give money i've earned to people who can't be arsed to earn their own. They also don't just invent random public sector jobs to get people off the dole.

Oh, and what about all the overseas aid they've been doling out?

12, yes 12 billion and counting ! :-x

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2121880/Foreign-aid-Now-Coalition-listen-overseas-aid.html

[NTECUK]

The Con's when in power asset strip.the country.
There is not much left this time round ,so life is harder..

Mid them blues , in resesion again .
Someone gets the back lash that's all.

[tigersaw]

I was in Paris on Tuesday, joined a march with Marine Le-Penn and then later went to a rally addressed by Sarkozy - the French really know how to campaign.
I get back home and knew nothing of any elections. Not even a flyer through the door.

[dizzyblonde]

That's half the problem, JB.
While we're paying back, we aren't spending & buying all the stuff our factories are making.
Yes, I realise it's not quite like that.

Put it this way.....for example.

Spain is at 25% unemployment. Thats 1 in 4. They owe a lot of money, and they are clamping down on the spending, big austerity measure. I use this country as it has the simplest figures, and I can't remember what the unemployment rate is here....

Anyway, while 25% of the population is unemployed, thats 25% of the population thats not paying tax in a wage, thats 25% of the population not spending as they should, and 25% less money going back into the pot to spend on countries debt etc.

Now, if they can't pay off debt, they can't grow, they can't spend, and its a vicious circle, its happening here, cutting back left right and centre, to save money, which in turn, cuts jobs, because companies can't afford it.....blah blah blah.....doom and gloom, everbody miserable, with no money, poor get poorer, the rich get richer.....they are all in the same club, no matter what country you happen to live in.

[dizzyblonde]

Otherwise we are going to do a Greece, the countryhas been lazy for years while there was plenty of cash and has obviously how forgot grim things really are :(. .


I have to point out here, its not the common Greek man that is lazy, how very dare you insult them, but then that is because of what you are fed via media.....

Its the government that has spent it, greedily, not the common Greek man like yourself......

oh yeah....just the same here too....just got ribbons and pink fluffy kittens to cover it over with a nice sugar coating ;)


I could go on about coughing up considerable amounts of money to rebuild Europe after WW2, and never getting over it, and recovering from alsorts of other things since that time, but end of the day, its gonvernment spending thats got them in the dooooo not normal folk

[Amadeus]

As I understand it, the level of debt in the country has still gone up in the last quarter so we've not felt the pain yet.

[Jackie_Black]

Sorry I didnt mean to say the greeks are lazy. If thats how it came off i apologise. Hard working country. My point is when this country was on the up, it was very lazy and the government just spent everything, got rid of the gold etc. they could have made unpopular decisions then and made our schools etc a lot better but they couldnt be arsed. They just made **** loads of people middle managers, pointless.

[DJFridge]

We didn't get a vote on anything down here but, when we do, I always vote.

OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE POPULATION ELIGIBLE TO VOTE CAN SHOVE THEIR OWN WINGEING FACES UP THEIR OWN AR$ES BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO VOTE, YOU LOSE ALL RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE RESULT.

Rant over

[andrewsmith]

Labour = high taxation, high borrowing, high spending and middle England suffers.
Cons = Low spending, low borrowing, low(er) taxation and middle England suffers.
Liberals = High taxation, low spending and everyone suffers.

None of them really care about Joe Public

Agree to that
I know on one Councillor that did stand up for the public. Got deselected from the Liberals to my knowledge (Lead Newcastles council for 7 years)

If you don't believe this sentiment read this book:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chavs-The-Demonization-Working-Class/dp/184467696X/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1336167195&sr=8-1

Then see how the press and MP's view the rest of us

[punyXpress]

We didn't get a vote on anything down here but, when we do, I always vote.

OVER TWO THIRDS OF THE POPULATION ELIGIBLE TO VOTE CAN SHOVE THEIR OWN WINGEING FACES UP THEIR OWN AR$ES BECAUSE IF YOU CAN'T BE BOTHERED TO VOTE, YOU LOSE ALL RIGHTS TO COMPLAIN ABOUT THE RESULT.

Rant over
But WHERE do you find candidates worthy of your vote?
Not many around here.

[DJFridge]

But WHERE do you find candidates worthy of your vote?
Not many around here.

True, there might not be. Even then, at least turn up and spoil the ballot paper to show your disapproval of all the candidates standing. At least you've done something. It's people who can't be bothered to get up off their backsides but still b1tch and complain about everything that I can't stand.

[metalangel]

I agree with Phil, those too many people want short term results and dont seem willing to suffer for a bit just to get the balance restored.


That. I suspect it's the same thing in the US, long-building problems finally exploded and people are expecting them fixed overnight and are now tantruming when told that's impossible.