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Hi all, first post so be gentle.
My datatool 3 as started to play up can't turn alarm off with both fobs then sometimes it works. So got to go.
Read a few threads so thought I'd give it a go
striped the cover off the wiring loom removed the block which was spliced into orange & white 10711
done the same with wire spliced to orange & Green 10712
removed wire from fuse block witch went to ignition 10713
then I removed wire from block 10714
here's a picture of the block10715
I bridge the one set of wires buy the fuse block behind the battery10716 and also removed diode from blue wire which i thought might have been the problem10717
there is also a wire spliced with a spade connection this plugged into the wiring harness of the alarm 10718 this is all the wires from the alarm the problem I got all lights horn etc work bike turns over but want start can't ear fuel pump working I think I'm missing a bridge to the fuel pump any help would be appreciative.
Gareth
Just a update I had the volt meter on the fuel pump I'm not getting live feed to yellow & red wire.
you got a wiring diagram and a meter?
yes Iv'e got the wire diagram but it's hard to distinguish were it goes as it splits to the ecu relays and blank plugs. just thought someone might have removed one and could tell me were they removed or bridged the wiring loom, I'll investigate a bit more tomoz or might get a wiring loom of ebay at least it will look factory fitted apposed to a taped up wiring loom.
joshwalker094
04-05-12, 09:51 PM
my datatool 3 alarm decided to not work with the fobs the otherday aswell, but finally after 10 minutes of button pressing it beeped and i quickly got the bike going, and its been fine since, i hadnt touched the bike for a week or two so maybe the sensor lost charge idk, good luck with sorting it out anyway
Can sometimes be a problem in the fob too. Sometimes just taking the batteries out, wiping them bending the battery clip a bit and putting it all back together fixes it. Seems you are committed now though, i have thought about doing it to mine, the datatool 3 is such an annoying alarm system.
bikeramy
05-05-12, 07:38 AM
my datatool 3 alarm decided to not work with the fobs the otherday aswell, but finally after 10 minutes of button pressing it beeped and i quickly got the bike going, and its been fine since, i hadnt touched the bike for a week or two so maybe the sensor lost charge idk, good luck with sorting it out anyway
This happened to me, I read the manual and the warning alarms had set of 3 times so it protected the bike by immobilising, put the key in ignition whist holding the arm button and the fobs will start working again.
People did the system 3 alarm but if fitted correctly I'm sure it would do its job, I'm prett happy with mine so far, touch wood. I make sure to always have the manual on reach.
bikeramy
05-05-12, 07:39 AM
Oh and if you ain't touched it for a week or 2 it went into sleep mode to conserve battery. Mine does this all the time when garaged for a few weeks.
The alarm started playing up I could turn the alarm on off with both fobs then 2 mins later nothing the light on the fobs were flashing. So in my eyes a fault in the alarm system anyway the alarm is removed. the problem I got I,m not getting power to the fuel pump as when you put the key to on it does not prime. but I think I'm missing something as I've only bridged 1 cut in the wires the 1 behind the battery in the bit that has the 2 fuses (second pic) I'm sure they immobilize 2 which I think is the fuel system.
I've searched the internet removal of datatool 3 and it seems I've completed the task for removal so I tested the yellow wire from the relay to the fuel pump dead no reading the other 3 pins have 12v readings. so could it be a relay?
Just to let everybody no what I done to sort this out. First off I take no responsibility if you do what I did and it goes pear shaped.
As above I removed the alarm, I bridged the wire they cut on the solenoid And took off all the wires spliced into the loom, removed wires from the fuse box and earth connection these were all the wires used for the alarm.
The problem I had was when I put the ignition on the fuel pump did not prime and where the temp comes up it said "chec" engine would turn over but nothing else.
Through searching on the internet I found out that the orange/green wire (which was spliced) is connected to the orange/white(which was spliced) via a black wire which must have been removed when they installed the alarm I just joined these two wires together spliced in about 4" length of wire to create the loop and up and running I was. Hopefully someone will confirm this is correct and help persons in the future.
Regards Gareth
Gibby
This is interesting. I have just removed my datatool 3 for the same reasons as you. I too have a problem with the pump priming. You've given me a clue as to where to look next. Thanks
My wiring is somewhat different. There's no alarm connection to a blue wire. The single black wire you show in your diagram with a connector was used to provide power to the alarm via it's inline fuse. Looking at my spare wiring loom it must have been used for something not present on the UK model.
I tried the bypass you mentioned about but no joy from the fuel pump.
I've pulled so much of the loom apart that I've now bitten the bullet and started to take the entire loom out. I'll put in my spare and hopefully that will sort it out.
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Argh! The new wiring loom has a different plug for the fuel pump. Four wires instead of three. Only noticed when after I pulled out the old loom and started connecting the new one.
I give up! Time to have a think.
Old loom back in place. I'm now back where I started at 9am this morning. I thought I'd checked all the plugs on the new loom. Apparently not.
I need to get this sorted, so off to a datatool dealer I think who knows more about this than I.
Fixed it!
Yesterday I organised for a local bike dealer pick up the bike, so that meant putting it back together last night.
I thought I'd have one last play. The block that Gibby shows on the first post, the one with 4 black wires had taps from the alarm on all four wires. I cut off the taps and as there was no break in the original wiring all that was required was some insulation.
Right next to this 4 way block is another single black wire with a connector, again with no real purpose (although I didn't twig this over the weekend). This is also shown on Gibbys post only mine had the connector chopped off and was connected to the alarm via an inline fuse. I assumed that this wire was a 'drop in' and needed bridging to it's original other half, but of course there is no other half to connect too. So being black I assumed it connected to one of the black wires on the 4 way block next to it (too many blacks). So I tested each black wire on the block and the relay burst into life on one connection. This was fine until you turned off the ignition and back on again. This resulted in no working relay and a flashing FI light. Damn.
Last night I decided to ignore the single black wire. It is wired back to the ignition circuit but it's not meant to be used for this purpose. I decided to look for another source of 12v to feed to the identified black wire in the 4 way block that activated the relay. I checked the three other black wires in the block, one was earthed and another was 12v. I joined that to the good relay wire and again I got a burst of life from the relay. The test with the ignition switch also worked fine. Success? I hope so.
Now I'd tried the connections on the 4 way block before. They were obviously connected to the alarm, but I think in my bumbling, I had blown the 10a fuel fuse and therefore missed this answer the first time round.
So I made a permanent connection on these two wires and tied up the loom as well as recovering in PVC tape. I then connected up all the remaining connections to the loom in the rear of the bike, indicators, etc and checked all was well. It was. The engine was run and I waited for it to falter should the fuel pump stop. It didn't. I then made the bike ready to ride and went for ride around the village. No issues.
The only niggle I can see is that if I stop the engine on the kill switch, after a second or so the FI light starts flashing. The bike still starts and the light goes out. I suspect the I still have the wrong 12v feed to the relay, or at least I've taken it off the wrong part of the circuit. But I can live with it if it causes no other issues.
Again comparing with Gibby. My blue wire was untouched, they used the brown instead on the fuse/relay block. Brown seems to supply 12v to the lighting circuits.
I still find myself double taking before I switching on the ignition or removing the seat, i'm so conditioned to thinking about disarming the alarm before I touch the bike.
John
More electrical problems last night. Rear brake light not coming on. Traced that to me failing to connect the switch to the loom.
Front brake light intermittent causing the rear light to flash in a strange strobing way. This was down to the actual switch. This is a sealed utit but managed to spray enough contact cleaner into it to get it to work properly.
Rode the bike into Shrewsbury office today. No issues. All other electrics seemed fine.
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