Apparently rare footage of the japanese surrender, 1945

[Specialone]

http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=vcnH_kF1zXc&feature=player_embedded

Japanese surrender, Sept. 2, 1945
This film is believed to have never been seen before, only shots of the surrender were known .
If you are a history buff, you will enjoy this.
General MacArthur's voice is a rarity in this old film clip.

ACTUAL VOICE OF GENERAL MACARTHUR NEVER BEEN SHOWN TO GENERAL PUBLIC BEFORE .

Japanese Surrender- Amazing Footage Sept 2, 1945....
Interesting the other signers to the document, from New Zealand/Australia to Europe/Russia .

This is an actual film made of the surrender ceremony of the Japanese to MacArthur in Tokyo Bay in September 1945.
We always saw the "stills" but never the film itself.

[ravingdavis]

That is utterly brilliant. Those old Warships are something impressive to behold.

[Fallout]

"Chief of the Japanese Surrender Cabinet"

I'd leave that one off my CV if I was him.

[garynortheast]

Fascinating piece of film.

[Sir Trev]

That is utterly brilliant. Those old Warships are something impressive to behold.

I have a feeling Stephen Seagull works on that ship as a cook and ex-Playboy bunnies jump out of cakes feeling a bit woosy on the captain's birth/deathday.

[Owenski]

totally expected to get rick roll'd there.

[Specialone]

totally expected to get rick roll'd there.

I'm not a toss pot like Speedplay ;)

[The Idle Biker]

I liked MacArthurs words "with justice and tolerance".

Great bit of histroical film. Got some goose bumps when he said "these proceedings are now....closed".

[Mikey10]

going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.

[BanannaMan]

Great find! Awesome film!








going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.



Meant nothing?
It was WWII. Hundreds of thousands of soldiers from around the world gave their lives so you could be free, have a job and ride your sv when you like.
400,000 from the UK alone. Not to mention the nearly 100,000 civillian casualties.
Next Remembrance Day relate your feelings to a soldier and ask him if there's anything he thinks he can do about it. ;)
:smt075

[yorkie_chris]

That is utterly brilliant. Those old Warships are something impressive to behold.

Aye, amazing film.

I'm looking forward to getting some diving in on some ships of similar size, though an earlier era up in Scapa Flow.

[flymo]

going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.

yeah, you're right, it did sound rude. Perhaps just an effect of so much time passing since that event, but when I sit and talk about this with my father-in-law he has some seriously shocking stories to share about it.

From seeing sailors blown to pieces, from walking into Hiroshima right after the bomb was dropped, from losing his friends, sharing his chocolate with enemy sailors pulled from the water after sinking their ship.

Have some respect fella.

[-Ralph-]

Great post Phil!

going to sound rude but meant nothing to me.

Shame. But that's where we are.

Does Iraq and Saddam Hussein mean anything to you? Would you like to have lived in Iraq under Saddam Hussein?

WWII is the only reason that you don't live in a German tyrannical military dictatorship (which is what most of Europe was until D Day). You owe your freedom, your way of life, just about everything you have, to the millions who died in WWII. If we hadn't made that sacrifice and won that war, England could today be very much like Iraq was at the beginning of 2003.

It's not your fault you've grown up without that included in your education, it's the fault of those that gave you that education, but now you are old enough to decide for yourself what interests you and what you want to learn about, WWII is a really interesting one to get started on. You won't believe some of the stories you will learn, great films you can watch, things you could see.

Next time we plan a trip to Normandy, we'll let you know, it's a great place to start.

[Mikey10]

you have the wrong idea its hard to word what i meant but i gave my opinion.

i have the so much respect for everyone who has and is still putting their life on the line for my future and our country no matter what war it was.

i just don't find something like that video intresting i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

i appericate that most of you find this intresting but i just don't that was what i was trying to say. sorry i gave the wrong impression. next time if something about a war comes up i'll keep my opinion to myself.

[flymo]

you have the wrong idea its hard to word what i meant but i gave my opinion.

i have the so much respect for everyone who has and is still putting their life on the line for my future and our country no matter what war it was.

i just don't find something like that video intresting i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

i appericate that most of you find this intresting but i just don't that was what i was trying to say. sorry i gave the wrong impression. next time if something about a war comes up i'll keep my opinion to myself.

no problem, no need to keep your opinion to yourself. It was just worded in a way that gave the wrong impression.

[-Ralph-]

i don't find the past intresting on a educational/informative level.

Understanding what has happened in the past, is the only chance you have of getting it right in the future.

Everything in education is about history, it's all the teachings of what those who have been there before us have learned. Be that lessons in school, or our parents teaching us what they have learned in their lives the hard way, or what they learned the easy way from your grandparents.

In maths and physics at school, we learn what Einstein discovered.

Without any interest at all in the past, you can't have a proper education.

[Mikey10]

cheers for understanding

ralph i get where your coming from and agree its probally the way i was introduced to history at school that put me off its obviously a great subject as you say everything around us is history and its great to have an intrest and good knowledge of the past.
Im sure when i hit my later years history will be of much more intrest to me.

[tactcom7]

I think i get where Mikey is coming from. I found the video interesting but that was mainly for the ships and the huge guns. what an awesome sight. The fact that Japan surrendered because of Hiroshima is interesting, a Japanese man being brought aboard a warship and effectively, humiliated is not so (to me). I don't think anyone could claim not to have ANY interest in past events. I for one disliked history at school enourmously, beaten only be religious education. I have no interest in Henry the 8th and his many wives etc.

If ever I need a mind**** i just try and imagine what's outside the universe/what happened before the big bang.

[-Ralph-]

I have to admit, history as a subject at school I hated, and dropped it as a subject at the first opportunity. I too have no interest in how many wifes Henry the 8th had.

Where I find history fascinating, is where it has relevance today, and helps you to understand why the things around you are the way they are.

For instance I'm a green laner, and there are some ridiculous laws in this country surrounding rights of way and classification of footpaths, brideways, byways, etc, and I could never understand why we needed the laws we have. Then when discussing it on another forum, somebody posted about the Inclusion Act's of the 1800's that put all land in the UK into private ownership, and why the public rights of way were created in the way they were. I didn't know about that so I did some reading around it and now I understand why we have the system we have today. It's still ridiculous, because they were created for a bygone age before tarmac and motor vehicles and have never been reformed, but at least I understand why they are ridiculous.

Another example is the history of Israel and Palestine (something which it turns out people very close in my family tree are directly responsible for, anyone on here who knows my surname will realise what I'm talking about). At the time where there was a lot going on in Israel, suicide bombs, bulldozing of settlements, building of the wall, etc, it was on the news every day. But they only ever talked about what had happened that day, and I was left wondering 'but WTF is this all about?'. So I bought a few books and did some reading, spent a year or two reading this type of book, instead of reading a fiction novel, and now I'm fairly clued up on it and understand the issues pretty well.

Understanding what happened in WWII, helps greatly in understanding the world political landscape we live in today.

[tactcom7]

Well there you go Ralph, two subjects you researched because you had an interest in them. Whereas at school we were (and im guessing still are) taught about things we didn't want to know about. I've never really understood the Israel Palestine thing, something to do with land is about all i can fathom. I suppose if you do find a thread borig the thing to do is think 'that was boring, oh well' and not feel the need to tell people. ;)

I must admit i do like libraries, old ones with actual books in that aren't stuffed with computers and have a DVD/video games rentals section. I really should try make an effort to read more...

[yorkie_chris]

I don't know how anyone could not find that time of history interesting.

Heroic acts, famous leaders, grand strategies and tactics.
Or you've got the engineering of 2000hp petrol powered monsters that could touch 500mph, or guns that could fire half a tonne of supersonic thunder ten miles and more carried by ships the size of towns.
Planes navigating across continents and finding aircraft carriers in the middle of oceans in the days before microprocessors and transistors and satellites.

Come on, that sort of history makes any fiction look dull. The very best of humanity in heroism, patriotism and ingenuity (on all sides), and the very worst...

a Japanese man being brought aboard a warship and effectively, humiliated is not so (to me).

I dunno about that term.

Signing the dotted line to say your country has lost a conflict in which it was the aggressor is never going to be a bag of roses. To me the ceremony looked fairly respectful considering the circumstances.

[Specialone]

I don't know how anyone could not find that time of history interesting.

Heroic acts, famous leaders, grand strategies and tactics.
Or you've got the engineering of 2000hp petrol powered monsters that could touch 500mph, or guns that could fire half a tonne of supersonic thunder ten miles and more carried by ships the size of towns.
Planes navigating across continents and finding aircraft carriers in the middle of oceans in the days before microprocessors and transistors and satellites.

Come on, that sort of history makes any fiction look dull. The very best of humanity in heroism, patriotism and ingenuity (on all sides), and the very worst...

I dunno about that term.

Signing the dotted line to say your country has lost a conflict in which it was the aggressor is never going to be a bag of roses. To me the ceremony looked fairly respectful considering the circumstances.


Agreed

Tbh, i couldnt give a rats ass if its respectful or not, they way they treated human beings didnt deserve any respect but we still gave it to them, so we shouldnt apologise if its slightly demeaning to them.

Remember folks, these were the aggressors, not us, im pretty sure if the tables were turned, we wouldnt have got the same level of respect in return.

[tactcom7]

All i said was that part didnt interest me, im not some sort of jap sympathiser!

Having said that, im sure we/the US hardly went around firing daisies out of rifles and asking everyone to just get along either.

[Specialone]

All i said was that part didnt interest me, im not some sort of jap sympathiser!

Having said that, im sure we/the US hardly went around firing daisies out of rifles and asking everyone to just get along either.

Collaborator :rolleyes: :)

We only returned fire to those that fired upon us first :)

[DJFridge]

Another example is the history of Israel and Palestine (something which it turns out people very close in my family tree are directly responsible for, anyone on here who knows my surname will realise what I'm talking about).

tbh, considering the enormous f&ck up that was, and subsequently still is, the creation of Israel in a fit of guilt-filled hand-wringing politically naive stupidity, I'm not sure I would admit that anyone I know, let alone was related to, had anything to do with it. So fair play to you Ralph.

(and before anyone accuses me of anti-Semitism, I'm not)

Re the OP and other history related comments, we took the boys to see WW1 cemeteries in Normandy a couple of years ago which was very educational, for us as well as them. Also, if you're ever in Reims (France, Champagne region for those who don't know) go and see where the WW2 European surrender was ACTUALLY signed, before it had to be re-signed in Berlin because the Americans didn't feel a senior enough German was available in Northern France.

To paraphrase somebody - what we don't learn from history we are doomed to repeat. So learn, guys.

[-Ralph-]

It was long before I was born mate :)

And although one man wrote the letter to Lord Rotheschild and had his name pinned to it, I doubt it was all one mans idea anyway, there were others in cabinet at the time and he was no longer prime minister so wouldnt have had the final say.