View Full Version : anyone else not bothered about non stop filtering?
I'm sure I'm in the minority here but wondered if there is anyone else out there who is not mad about squeezing into every single gap possible. Yeah, I filter if the traffic is slow and I am 100% positive I am safe but if everyone else is moving roughly at the speed limit, I don't see the need to try to overtake left right and centre. I'm never in a rush. I don't always push myself to the front at traffic lights if I think the lights might change back to green any second now or there's too much gymnastics involved.
Today I rode with a friend who incidentally failed her first attempt at full license two weeks ago (although she has a bunch of excuses for it) and on our way back, we actually lost each other cos she just kept getting into gaps when I exercised my laid back approach. I feel a bit stupid, like I should have kept up esp since she's on a 125 and I'm on a 650 but I just honestly don't have those kind of inclinations. I love riding my bike but I'm happy doing it the way I'm doing it now. The said friend once said I'm not a good biker cos it should be in my blood. Should it?
filter don't filter its up to the individual. personally i like the bike for the reason i can get to the front of a Q. but i'm blessed living in scotland as the only Q's you see are in the main central belt.
yes in front of a queue if traffic is slow/not moving but if everyone is moving at a good pace, personally I'm happy with that. i have no need to go any faster
wont filter above 20mph in town or 40mph on MW/DC's and will only filter if its continuous lines of traffic. if traffic is spread out but just moving slow then i'll just move along with it unless i'm in a hurry then i'll play the gaps but i'm never in that much of a hurry :-)
exactly
That's pretty much what I'd do
kellyjo
28-07-12, 08:16 PM
Just do what you're comfortable with. I've consciously slowed the speeds I ride at and as a result tend to always ride alone now.
Some days I filter at every opportunity and have a big grin as I do so, other days I'm happy to sit and wait. A good biker friend should be happy to accept and understand that.
As the mood takes me. Sometimes I filter, and sometimes I'm driving Miss Daisy just pottering along. I find biking very relaxing and I'm turning into Grandad potterer.
I think I understand now what this 'filtering' thing is now t's been explained... you wouldn't catch me doing it, far too risky.
kiggles
28-07-12, 09:43 PM
filtering is the amount of risk you want to take. i filtered the m25 at 50 where traffic is doing 40, almost ended up in the back of a BMW who changed lanes with no indication.
yet earlier on in the week and even till now sometimes i cant be bothered to filter, then a pizza delivery person on L plates under takes me, cuts me up and decides to over take a car causing the car on the other side of the road to slam on their brakes. for which i decided to over take at an open part of the road with no junctions. stop infront of him at a red light. pull away in front of him then sit at the speed limit. at the next red traffic light shout to him, get a proper licence before you decide to over take other bikers dangerously.
goes same with speed, some people are faster then others on tight country lanes where 60 mph is hard to do safely. doesnt mean their good riders just means they take more risks.
bert682
28-07-12, 09:46 PM
wont filter above 20mph in town or 40mph on MW/DC's and will only filter if its continuous lines of traffic. if traffic is spread out but just moving slow then i'll just move along with it unless i'm in a hurry then i'll play the gaps but i'm never in that much of a hurry :-)
40 is my magic number too. I like riding the bike and would like to be around to ride it tomorrow
Rob
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yorkie_chris
28-07-12, 09:54 PM
I'm sure I'm in the minority here but wondered if there is anyone else out there who is not mad about squeezing into every single gap possible. Yeah, I filter if the traffic is slow and I am 100% positive I am safe but if everyone else is moving roughly at the speed limit, I don't see the need to try to overtake left right and centre. I'm never in a rush. I don't always push myself to the front at traffic lights if I think the lights might change back to green any second now or there's too much gymnastics involved.
Today I rode with a friend who incidentally failed her first attempt at full license two weeks ago (although she has a bunch of excuses for it) and on our way back, we actually lost each other cos she just kept getting into gaps when I exercised my laid back approach. I feel a bit stupid, like I should have kept up esp since she's on a 125 and I'm on a 650 but I just honestly don't have those kind of inclinations. I love riding my bike but I'm happy doing it the way I'm doing it now. The said friend once said I'm not a good biker cos it should be in my blood. Should it?
I used to pass loads of big bikes when on a 125, quite simply you can fit a smaller bike through a smaller gap :confused:
But OTOH, nothing wrong with chilling out. If the cars are moving at around the speed limit they will all think "c*nt" when you squeeze through and if you crash it would likely go against you.
, get a proper licence before you decide to over take other bikers dangerously.
Oooh, I have a proper licence, does that mean I can overtake other bikers dangerously?
BanannaMan
29-07-12, 03:39 AM
Oooo !!!
I love filtering!!!
It's bloody illegal here though. :(
All ways ride your own ride.
Yes I filter above 40 mph .
If I can get to the front with no mirror folding i'll take that opportunity.
That's it - sometimes I just can't be bothered. On days when I'm feeling extra sharp, I'll filter more. But most of time time, if I'm making good progress on the road, what difference will it make to me getting somewhere five minutes quicker. In fact, I love riding my bike so I don't want to get to places any quicker :D
Just a bit upset with my friend's stupid comment. I think it's a bit out of place since she a novice rider too yet she has bags of cocky confidence, whilst I'm very reserved about my riding ability and fully aware of my limitations in the experience department
bert682
29-07-12, 08:06 AM
That's it - sometimes I just can't be bothered. On days when I'm feeling extra sharp, I'll filter more. But most of time time, if I'm making good progress on the road, what difference will it make to me getting somewhere five minutes quicker. In fact, I love riding my bike so I don't want to get to places any quicker :D
Just a bit upset with my friend's stupid comment. I think it's a bit out of place since she a novice rider too yet she has bags of cocky confidence, whilst I'm very reserved about my riding ability and fully aware of my limitations in the experience department
I was the same on my 125, well the confidence bit.... Until I crashed it.
Rob
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missyburd
29-07-12, 08:43 AM
whilst I'm very reserved about my riding ability and fully aware of my limitations in the experience department
Then you will probably have a longer biking career than she has. Everyone has a bit of cocky confidence to start with....then they come off and a mature(ish) biker is born! Unless you're called YC #runs# :lol:
I love filtering, makes me feel like I'm getting somewhere. I can't do with sitting behind cars when they take so long to set off. But if I'm not in the mood then I won't push it, and I'll happily bimble along...However, problem with bimbling is concentration can slip if mmy mind tries to wander, at least if I'm moving quicker and dodging cars my mind is focused on the job in hand. Swings and roundabouts :)
Your mate has no right to question how you ride, you are in control of your life and your vehicle, if you get fun from how you're managing that then you're dong a pretty good job I'd say :cool:
Specialone
29-07-12, 08:46 AM
Just ride how you want and bolox to anyone else, if you're friend has too much confidence then it won't be long before she Tarmac surfs imo.
Must admit I enjoy filtering most times, especially on my drz as its tall and narrow and it will fit in small gaps.
I have had to fold my mirrors in many times on my sprint and last year filtered on the mway in the rain at 70-80 while traffic was bunching at 30mph and that was stupid and not something I'd do again tbh, way too many things to go wrong.
Elliott
29-07-12, 09:06 AM
Filter is one of those odd things, I think its daft as fook if the traffics is moving above 30mph....
But just sometimes I get in a childish mood and start grinning going down the M6 @40mph whilst everyone is in a queue!!!
metalangel
29-07-12, 11:42 AM
I only filter if the traffic is very slow, and even then only if I feel up to it as I know it can be risky. I pulled up to the stop line between two cars at the lights today because I'd seen how slow they were going and wanted past them when the lights changed.
Apart from that I take it easy, I see too many riders on L plates or peds who just go around everyone to stop in the cycle box at every set of lights.
When I was commuting between Bedford and Slough every day filtering was an essential part of riding. Traffic on the M1, M25 and M4 was at a standstill almost from the time I hit the motorway until I got off it, so without filtering I'd have got nowhere. After a while your speed picks up and you start flying between the cars at normal motorway speeds even though they are stopped and there's maybe a 4 foot gap between the doors.
What bugs me about filtering in rush hour is the hordes of "go nowhere adventurous" BMW GS riders in their BMW Dakar style textiles and Schuberth lids going into London - none of them use the huge alloy panniers that are built to traverse Africa, but they're always fitted - as a consequence they can't get through the gaps. That doesn't stop them from blocking every available route through the cars for other bikes though, and they really take offence when four letter expletives are thrown their way as they're told to eff off out of the way to make room for people who can ride a decent bike properly. The BMW GS... the biking equivalent of the Chelsea Tractor Range Rover, complete with clueless pilot.
muzikill
29-07-12, 02:47 PM
Filtering is rare in scotland traffic tbh but I make a point not to filter across the forth road bridge having witnessed many a crash and near miss. I actually find cars give more of a wide berth in the expectation of me making a sudden move in front of them. Better that than them doing something stupid in front of me and filtering during rush hour across that bridge would raise the chances of that more.
andrewsmith
29-07-12, 05:51 PM
I filter most days as its dual carriageway for the 5 miles in.
My speed through stationary is 20-30 mph (dictated by the rider in front) and upto 40 in moving. Above 40 back into the traffic flow.
I have filtered on the m6 around Liverpool and Manc at about 50 when the Liverpool suburbs (North Wales) have went to the football. Somedays, I do go "ah f*** it!!" and sit in the chains of traffic.
What bugs me about filtering in rush hour is the hordes of "go nowhere adventurous" BMW GS riders in their BMW Dakar style textiles and Schuberth lids going into London - none of them use the huge alloy panniers that are built to traverse Africa, but they're always fitted - as a consequence they can't get through the gaps. That doesn't stop them from blocking every available route through the cars for other bikes though, and they really take offence when four letter expletives are thrown their way as they're told to eff off out of the way to make room for people who can ride a decent bike properly. The BMW GS... the biking equivalent of the Chelsea Tractor Range Rover, complete with clueless pilot.
:lol: :winner:
But I agree with a few on the scooter nutters and make sure I'm well ahead or well behind them, and those BMW Smugmoblies with panniers *sniggers*
Sir Trev
29-07-12, 06:15 PM
Agy, your mate is an idiot. Ride how YOU want to and not to someone else's alleged standard.
GowerSV
29-07-12, 08:18 PM
I love fitering - when a car cuts me up I sail past him in the queue a short way ahead. Always watch out for lane switchers, bikers coming up behind(and towards you!) and numpty pedestrians dashing across without looking. With these things in mind, filtering is a biking sport and makes town riding almost enjoyable. When I get in front of a car and stop I make sure he knows I'm there and pull slightly across if I can to block him from trying to take me out. If in doubt I hold back and rarely go between 2 high sided vehicles with little room. Filter within your capabilities but one thing's for sure, there more you do, the better you get. Once saw a nice video called 'Counting Cars' . Filtering - one of biking's true pleasures. Those that choose not to - well that's up to them but to my mind if you don't filter, may as well take the car. One end of town to the other for me 1/2 hour in the car - 10 mins on the bike :lol:
barwel1992
29-07-12, 08:30 PM
bit like what Lozzo said about commuting, when im commuting i use the m1 and will happily filter at 50mph or above, ill also move in and out of any traffic doing under 70mph on the mway , but hey i'm impatient
on single lane road's ill filter at say 20mph at most if there's oncoming traffic but if the oncoming is empty then ill get a move on usually up to 50ish
also usually dictate my speed dependent on the size of the road and gap ect
m25 is mad though the speed that bikes filter down there is shocking i have seen bike weaving in and out of cars at well over 90mph
widepants
29-07-12, 08:47 PM
Oooo !!!
I love filtering!!!
It's bloody illegal here though. :(
I thought you didnt have dedicated overtake lanes over there and just stuck in the lane you were in on the freeway.Wouldnt that be a bit like filtering without being accused of undertaking?Simply swop lanes and away you go :smt064
Normal roads I won't filter if the traffic is moving at over about 10 mile an hour and very rarely move to the front of the queue UNLESS I am on my commute into London and then will move to the front of queues while in London.
On motorways I tend to play it by ear... Ill quite happily filter in moving traffic up to about 80mph most days but then that is only slightly over what most drivers are doing anyway. I won't filter if I am not 100% about it and will wait for a better gap to present itself. Stationary traffic I wont go over about 20mph, Anything that would mean I would be unable to stop if a car 3 lengths ahead pulled out on me.
I suspect that those speeds are mostly due to over confidence on my part having only passed around 2 weeks a go though and I will calm down with time.
dizzyblonde
29-07-12, 10:07 PM
Practically did 100 miles of filtering last Friday, and if I hadnt have done it, I may have only just got there now to meet my mate!
I do it if and when the mood suits, can take it or leave it. When I first learnt to ride, I wouldn't do it at all. I've now got a bike with cow horns as handlebars, and can squeeze it through the same gap as a 125, . Peg has no problem squeezing the Z through either, and some have tried to follow and failed.
It's all about how one would perceive to be a safe manoeuvre, at a given speed etc. If you don't feel right, don't do it, simple as that really.
sv_rory
29-07-12, 10:16 PM
I always filter through the traffic, just got to remember to watch out for the idiots in cages that move over to try and stop you
m25 is mad though the speed that bikes filter down there is shocking i have seen bike weaving in and out of cars at well over 90mph
That used to be me on my way to and from Slough. 50 miles door to door was done in an hour during rush hour with the M1 and M25 traffic at a virtual standstill, so you can guess the speeds that were regularly achieved during that daily commute... on a ratty 175,000 mile old Honda CB250RS that did a max of 92mph flat out downhill with a tail-wind and me crawling under the paint.*
*It had a carefully calibrated bicycle speedo, so was fairly accurate.
BanannaMan
30-07-12, 03:08 AM
I thought you didnt have dedicated overtake lanes over there and just stuck in the lane you were in on the freeway.Wouldnt that be a bit like filtering without being accused of undertaking?Simply swop lanes and away you go :smt064
We do have dedicated overtake lanes but yes you can overtake in either lane legally.
Unfortunately 99% of all US drivers don't seem to know we have dedicated overtake lanes and it's not enforced.
It's getting through towns that filtering would really help.
But then again, would you really filter next to the average stupid American driver?
It's one of the first thing you really notice when returning here. Cars are doing a lazy 55 mph and weaving across the lanes, driving in the wrong lane, blocking taffic, and more. :rolleyes:
keith_d
30-07-12, 06:38 AM
Without filtering it would have taken me hours to get home last night. There was an accident on the M25 with miles of stationary traffic. Fortunately, the lanes are wide enough to leave a non-stop filtering lane.
I think I fall into the cautious filtering camp. On motorways I'll filter up to about 30mph, but once the traffic gets moving I'll join the cars. Mostly because if it all goes pear shaped at 30mph there's a good chance I'll walk away, at 60mph there's a fair chance of being hit by another vehicle. Around town I usually wait for gaps in the oncoming traffic before riding down the outside of queues, and I try to have a gap ahead to pull in to. So far it's worked well, but I've had a couple of interesting moments where pedestrians have stepped out from behind vans and buses. :o
But in the end you ride for yourself and take the risks you're happy with.
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 06:49 AM
on a ratty 175,000 mile old Honda CB250RS that did a max of 92mph flat out downhill with a tail-wind and me crawling under the paint.*
*It had a carefully calibrated bicycle speedo, so was fairly accurate.
Those are ace in traffic! Like a 125 except not quite as gutless! I borrowed one for a bit and found it worryingly quite good fun.
Are you sure you accounted for the tyre growing in radius at such extreme speeds? That would make it at least 93mph...
Those that choose not to - well that's up to them but to my mind if you don't filter, may as well take the car. One end of town to the other for me 1/2 hour in the car - 10 mins on the bike :lol:
I completely disagree with you. Riding a motorcycle and driving a car are two entirely different experiences, so swapping for a car because you don't want to filter like a mad man is not even remotely a substitute. Convenience of filtering is not the sole enjoyment of riding a bike. Riding a bike is exactly that: the enjoyment of the forward motion without the confines of a roof and doors. Enjoyment of the wind. The ability of filter through traffic jams is an added bonus.
Can I just say, I don't sit behind a car in traffic jam. I do of course filter then. But if traffic is moving at least 20-30mph I will stay behind.
I think if you filer and then have an accident, you're much more likely to be the one at fault. If I have an accident, I'd rather be sure the driver's insurance pays me not the other way round.
Most importantly, whilst I love my bike to pieces, I also love cycling and other forms of exercise and I wish to stay in once piece as much as possible so that I can continue to do them for as long as possible. Filtering can be very risky and it's a risk I can happily leave. I think I take my chances enough riding a motorbike in the first place. I choose to lower my risk to an acceptable level.
granty92
30-07-12, 10:50 AM
i dont really like filtering, saw a video where someone was filtering and a car decided to change lanes without checking mirrors or indicators and the bike crashed quite bad(2 up) so basically the only time i filter is if i need a wee haha or if its really hot and the bike cooks up
missyburd
30-07-12, 10:52 AM
I think if you filer and then have an accident, you're much more likely to be the one at fault.
Bit of a sweeping statement that. A lot of accidents involved with filtering motorbikes come about as a result of split second decisions being made by car drivers to switch lanes with no thought that a bike could be approaching. Of course filtering increases the risk of an accident but to say the biker is more likely to be at fault probably isn't the right thing to say. With practiced filtering you can learn to anticipate car drivers' actions and reduce that risk but everyone makes mistakes.
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 10:56 AM
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=59932
hth
Sir Trev
30-07-12, 10:56 AM
Convenience of filtering is not the sole enjoyment of riding a bike. Riding a bike is exactly that: the enjoyment of the forward motion without the confines of a roof and doors. Enjoyment of the wind. The ability of filter through traffic jams is an added bonus.
Can I just say, I don't sit behind a car in traffic jam. I do of course filter then. But if traffic is moving at least 20-30mph I will stay behind.
I think if you filer and then have an accident, you're much more likely to be the one at fault. If I have an accident, I'd rather be sure the driver's insurance pays me not the other way round.
I think I take my chances enough riding a motorbike in the first place. I choose to lower my risk to an acceptable level.
Agree with all of this. You have a sensible take on the risk and consequences and ride accordingly. If others have a different perception and attitude it is entirely up to them and in no way makes your actions wrong.
timwilky
30-07-12, 11:30 AM
I very rarely ride motorway or in towns. Therefore filtering is a skill I have never fully acquired. It doesn't come natural or instinctive. I find it stressful, perhaps being aware of my own fragility. I tend to be a slow filterer looking for indications of cars lane swapping (front wheels at angle to the direction the car is pointing, drivers heads turning etc.) I regularly see muppets deliberately position themselves to minimise gaps (Strange that when I am driving in traffic I maximise the gap for filterers and try to maintain a refuge should they need it).
Having said all the above. It is still a buzz to cut through the traffic on those few occasions I have needed to "filter". Annoying though when you do get through it all to find the root cause of the traffic is a plod saying stop because 2 idiots cannot drive without running into each other and they want to close 3 lanes whilst the wreck is in lane 1.
Bit of a sweeping statement that. A lot of accidents involved with filtering motorbikes come about as a result of split second decisions being made by car drivers to switch lanes with no thought that a bike could be approaching. Of course filtering increases the risk of an accident but to say the biker is more likely to be at fault probably isn't the right thing to say. With practiced filtering you can learn to anticipate car drivers' actions and reduce that risk but everyone makes mistakes.
Came across some legal cases which demonstrated the rider was at fault. If the traffic is moving at 30mph and a rider over takes them then I'm pretty sure s/he would be at fault and would be done for speeding too. And the thing is, I see loads of motorcycles (and scooters) filtering through traffic moving at speed
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 11:52 AM
Came across some legal cases which demonstrated the rider was at fault. If the traffic is moving at 30mph and a rider over takes them then I'm pretty sure s/he would be at fault and would be done for speeding too. And the thing is, I see loads of motorcycles (and scooters) filtering through traffic moving at speed
I'm sure you wouldn't have to look far.
However it's still a sweeping statement to say that filtering makes you more likely to be at fault.
Speeding probably does not help however simply speeding does not guarantee fault in an accident!
But I fear we argue over semantics only.
People do move at speed through traffic. True. What's this got to do with the price of eggs?
Personally I don't know where this thread is going or what the point of it is.
People have different perceptions of risk... big shock there.
Ride according to your perception of acceptable risk... you don't need us to tell you this.
Don't fall into the category of "I know best, anyone going slower than me is an idiot, anyone going faster is a lunatic."
And if your mates are going faster than you then you have two options... either keep up, or find some retorts when they take the p*ss about it, I suggest making some comment about their appearance or sexuality. A thorough reading of "Rogers Profanisaurus" should let you enter this battle of wits suitably armed.
If you do not see the point of the thread, please do not participate in it and don't insult me. Thank you
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 12:11 PM
Just trying to put things in perspective, what of that do you find insulting?
I refer you to my earlier comment
mister c
30-07-12, 12:27 PM
I used to filter all of the time until I was riding home 1 night & came across a line of standing traffic on a straight. I pulled out and started to pass on the opposite side. I was only doing about 20mph when a lady became a bit fed up of waiting decided to U Turn in front of me. I hit the car, ended up flying over the bonnet & hurt my knee.
The insurance company classed it as a 50/50, so nobody was to blame as such.
If I filter now, I do it very gingerly, but will sit behind the traffic most of the time.
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 12:28 PM
If you do not see the point of the thread, please do not participate in it and don't insult me. Thank you
I refer you to my earlier comment
This is an open forum, nobody gets to say who can play or not whether it is "their" thread by virtue of posting it.
I was not being deliberately insulting (rather, bluntly honest and somewhat humourous) and rather than being oversensitive I always enjoy a friendly debate if you happen to disagree with anything.
andrewsmith
30-07-12, 12:29 PM
Came across some legal cases which demonstrated the rider was at fault. If the traffic is moving at 30mph and a rider over takes them then I'm pretty sure s/he would be at fault and would be done for speeding too. And the thing is, I see loads of motorcycles (and scooters) filtering through traffic moving at speed
There will be cases of riders will be at fault (i.e. filtering at 60 in free flowing traffic) as dangerous filtering is a bannable offence (driving without due care and attention or Danagerous driving/ riding).
Filtering like a totat Tit will get you a pull from the plod
Any of the org' blues please correct me if i'm wrong here
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
Owenski
30-07-12, 12:43 PM
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
That winds me up!
Pretty sure its not illegal, but its just bloody dangerous. I did it once when quite new to riding and I wont do it again.
But it winds me up when one comes past, then I have to pretend to be a car for 5mins until I know its far enough away for me to resume filtering without too much risk of getting in its wake.
For the OP:
I don't always filter but I don't always speed either, and I very rarely combine the 2 ;)
If I take the motorway to work, i also get a large DC section where filtering is my consistent choice.
This lasts about 20mins of my 25min journey and its where the majority of "oh ****" moments have occurred.
However if I take the A/B roads encountering all sorts of junctions and obstacles, I may only filter for 5mins yet its this route where I've had considerably more "OHHHHHH FUCCCKK!!!" moments. Not through filtering but through muppets not looking properly and acting in a manor I didn't foresee.
My point? I actively and intentionally choose to take the motorway because I feel safer on that route, i would therefore have to say I do not consider filtering to be dangerous.At least when things happen around you during filtering they generally happen at slower speeds.
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
That's fine. It could be one of your mates inside.....
my view is if the chance arises than take it. why do you think it's dangerous?
That's fine. It could be one of your mates inside.....
more than likely if its a police car... lol
Small Clanger
30-07-12, 12:46 PM
[QUOTE=andrewsmith;2750974]There will be cases of riders will be at fault (i.e. filtering at 60 in free flowing traffic) as dangerous filtering is a bannable offence (driving without due care and attention or Danagerous driving/ riding).
Filtering like a totat Tit will get you a pull from the plod
It might also get you killed.
agy, there will always be sad creeps around who resent the fact that you're making progress while they are not. A bit like life.
Learn to avoid them when on a bike, learn to ignore them in other walks of life. Internet forums for example.
Your mate may be taking an unnecessary risk because they don't see it, they might see it and not consider it significant, or they might simply be better at managing this one, not particularly transferable skill set.
Riding through London is very much it's own thing, I've never found it helped much with other areas (though your gear shifts should eventually get pretty slick).
The key argument is clear, you should go as fast as you are happy to. That you have friends that are faster & slower is inevitable. The faster people may just be better at this one thing, the slower people just a little more risk-averse.
Remember, we're all going to be viewed as riding badly by someone or other :)
Jambo
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 12:49 PM
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
Be careful, simply because car drivers seem to make the most weird and erratic maneuvers that defy all logic anywhere near blue lights.
I'd feel a little uneasy about making progress thanks to someone possibly fighting for their life on the other side of the steel doors I was following.
Not judging anyone else, but personally I'd get out of the way then continue to filter normally once it'd passed on its way.
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
In the wake of an ambulance vehicles seem to swerve back into the space behind it. I've never found it a great place to be in London, plenty of others disagree with me.
Distance from it and speed seem crucial, when everything's moving slowly it can break you through a blockage, when everything's moving it can get a bit erratic.
Jambo
you have a point jambo. i more than likely wouldn't do it in large cities but up here in the sticks most folk wait a few secs before getting moving again and i most certainly wouldn't do it in the car as it's frowned upon.
what would your comment be about following an emergency vehicle filtering threw traffic if it's going in the same direction as you.
My Mum got rushed into hospital with a police escort on the ambulance when I was younger, The police officer told my dad that if he tried to follow him they would arrest him for speeding and/or dangerous driving.
Owenski
30-07-12, 01:34 PM
my view is if the chance arises than take it. why do you think it's dangerous?
Just personal view Lance through a rough experience heading through Bradford.
Had a few eeedjits jump back out after the ambulance had passed, they didnt seem to pull back into their lane, instead seemed intent on getting as close to the white line as possible. Makes it interesting when you're riding on said white line, car drivers eyes fixed on the ambulance not on their mirrors.
Following that and having thought about the logic I thought... hmmm yeah not worth it.
Sid Squid
30-07-12, 01:41 PM
anyone else not bothered about non stop filtering?
No. It's what motorbikes and urban areas were made for.
Do it as much or as little as you like - it's your bike and your journey - it's entirely your decision if you wish to make use of the natural ability of a motorcycle or not.
Personally I would consider not filtering a waste of the use of a bike, if you're not going to you may as well be in a car, as much as I love riding motorcycles I'd find a trip waiting in the traffic as pointless as I would find it unpleasant.
You must however remember the golden rules of riding in traffic:
Riding in town:
1) Properly go for it, Quantum physics is on your side at higher speeds
2) Filter everywhere at every possible opportunity - in the annoying event that it looks like it won't be possible just push harder. If you lean on cars they move out of the way, (mostly).
3) Cars aren't really traffic, just a sort of irritating mineral fog, once you've passed them your forward vision is restored.
4) Watch out for pedestrians, they're harder than they look, and boy do they whine.
5) If you've seen a gap it is big enough if you have faith.
6) Thinking a gap is too small is evidence of a lack of moral fibre - MTFU*
*Or WTFU - we're not prejudiced here, this is an equal opportunities chastisement for those demonstrating a lack of The Right Stuff'.
HTH
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 01:59 PM
Jambo you post deleting pussy! I saw that!
Jambo you post deleting pussy! I saw that!
It's true, I turned it into a PM, as it was as utterly pointless as it was silly.
Jambo
This is an open forum, nobody gets to say who can play or not whether it is "their" thread by virtue of posting it.
I was not being deliberately insulting (rather, bluntly honest and somewhat humourous) and rather than being oversensitive I always enjoy a friendly debate if you happen to disagree with anything.
Yes it is a forum open to everyone HOWEVER if you see no point to a thread, why oh why are you bothering with getting involved in it? Have you got nothing else interesting to do with your day??
If I don't like a thread, or I think it's pointless - I ignore it. I have way too many other exciting things to do with my life than wasting precious minutes doing something equally as pointless as the said thread
agy, there will always be sad creeps around who resent the fact that you're making progress while they are not. A bit like life.
Learn to avoid them when on a bike, learn to ignore them in other walks of life. Internet forums for example.
:)
agy (and others) - have a look at this letter
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=59932
which was written and used by a respected ex member of our forum. I think it shows pretty clearly the legal position with regards to filtering.
As for whether you should do it or not, it's entirely up to you. And it's entirely up to others how they ride their ride.... and respond to threads in Idle Banter (so long as it follows the guidelines)
missyburd
30-07-12, 03:31 PM
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=59932
hth
agy (and others) - have a look at this letter
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=59932
which was written and used by a respected ex member of our forum. I think it shows pretty clearly the legal position with regards to filtering.
As for whether you should do it or not, it's entirely up to you. And it's entirely up to others how they ride their ride.... and respond to threads in Idle Banter (so long as it follows the guidelines)
He beat ya to it :p
Note to self *read ALL of thread before posting*
;)
missyburd
30-07-12, 03:49 PM
Note to self *read ALL of thread before posting*
;)
Of course you must, you are a Mod, who knows what evils may lie between posts, you know what this lot are like! ;)
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 06:28 PM
Yes it is a forum open to everyone HOWEVER if you see no point to a thread, why oh why are you bothering with getting involved in it? Have you got nothing else interesting to do with your day??
If I don't like a thread, or I think it's pointless - I ignore it. I have way too many other exciting things to do with my life than wasting precious minutes doing something equally as pointless as the said thread
Or replying to a post you don't want to read? Pot, kettle?
I didn't say it was pointless, I questioned the point of it and would have welcomed your opinion on what you were looking to discover from it.
As it was I didn't fancy joining in to the big happy groupwank congratulating each other on how we don't ride beyond our comfort zone, which is hardly interesting or stimulating reading and/or debate so thought I might lend some helpful advice about how to deal with your L plate warrior mate instead.
P.S If you are going to take things so seriously I suggest you find the ignore function
You did say it was pointless. But seriously mate now, just leave it. I really can't be arsed with this stupid conversation. Clearly you're desperate to have the last word so here you go: have it
Small Clanger
30-07-12, 06:55 PM
Don't worry about it, agy.
For some it's more important to have a "big happy groupwank" so everyone can congratulate each other about painting a rented garage floor. Or to have "interesting or stimulating reading and/or debate" about a circuit-breaker tripping.
24,000 posts on an internet forum. 'nuff said.
Don't worry about it, agy.
For some it's more important to have a "big happy groupwank" so everyone can congratulate each other about painting a rented garage floor. Or to have "interesting or stimulating reading and/or debate" about a circuit-breaker tripping.
24,000 posts on an internet forum. 'nuff said.
:D :smt003
24,000 posts to a forum could be because he's very good at filtering so he gets home much much earlier than most giving him time to paint his garage floor aaaaand post to the org... just a thought :-)
i used to think a lot of people on here were a bunch of cleeket, ignorant, arrogant, azzwipes. i still think they are but by god they are a lovable bunch of cleeket, ignorant, arrogant, azzwipes and once you get to know them your fondness grows. it takes all sorts to make life interesting and this place is interesting and that's why we keep coming back time and time again.
i do miss the lively debates :-)
barwel1992
30-07-12, 07:52 PM
Don't worry about it, agy.
For some it's more important to have a "big happy groupwank" so everyone can congratulate each other about painting a rented garage floor. Or to have "interesting or stimulating reading and/or debate" about a circuit-breaker tripping.
24,000 posts on an internet forum. 'nuff said.
and about 23,980 of those posts contain more intellect and advice than yours ever will ...
missyburd
30-07-12, 07:54 PM
Don't worry about it, agy.
For some it's more important to have a "big happy groupwank" so everyone can congratulate each other about painting a rented garage floor. Or to have "interesting or stimulating reading and/or debate" about a circuit-breaker tripping.
24,000 posts on an internet forum. 'nuff said.
What's that got to do with the price of eggs? Both those topics of which you speak were stated in Idle Banter, nonsensical chat about not a lot. This thread is actually in the wrong section really, it would be better in Bikes, Talk and Issues but seeing as it is in IB it's happily fulfilling the role of nonsensical chat :p
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 08:04 PM
Personally I don't know where this thread is going or what the point of it is.
You did say it was pointless.
Well, I didn't... you could at least do me the favour of reading posts properly before getting your little panties in a knot love.
agy, there will always be sad creeps around who resent the fact that you're making progress while they are not. A bit like life.
Or not making progress, as the case may be...
As much as I love having cheap shots taken at me when someone disagrees with one of my posts, I'd love to see what you actually disagree with and any logic behind it? I think when you're looking for unrelated things from other threads to try and look 'ard for a young bird you must be scraping the barrel a bit there boyo :smt082
tactcom7
30-07-12, 08:16 PM
On a lighter note everyone, I don't jump in behind blue lighting emergency vehicles either, to many idiots trrying to cut in straight after them, as others have said. (Like me when i was a lot younger and more stupid)
On the filtering side of things, my best ever experience of it was riding back to base, all 217 miles of it in the freezing cold, all motorways. M1/M25/M3 if you're interested. Mind numbing boredem soon set in and I was happy pootling along at 80ish. When out of nowhere a guy shoots past doing all sorts of crazy filtering, so i decided to follow him. Was pretty reckless i imagine, buy boy was it fun and after about 30 minutes of it I realised i was no longer cold or bored for that matter.
widepants
30-07-12, 08:17 PM
http://www.chrisbauermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/popcorn-250x300.jpg (http://www.chrisbauermusic.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/popcorn.jpg)
I filter everywhere. If there is a space available at the front, I'll get there.
Its the reason I ride a bike, to beat traffic. Otherwise I'll sell the bike and get a car again.
I'd feel a little uneasy about making progress thanks to someone possibly fighting for their life on the other side of the steel doors I was following.
I've never followed an ambulance, the possibility has never presented itself. I doubt I would to be honest but not for the reason above, it got me thinking though.....
Would anyone here filter past a hearse?
Not been presented with that... the answer to that is NO.
Very disrespectful
Teejayexc
30-07-12, 08:58 PM
Don't worry about it, agy.
For some it's more important to have a "big happy groupwank" so everyone can congratulate each other about painting a rented garage floor.
Lmfao!
Did the garage floor end up a sort of creamy white with speckles in it then ?
yorkie_chris
30-07-12, 09:00 PM
Would anyone here filter past a hearse?
I have before gone past a funeral procession at silly speeds, thought "what are these lot going so slow fo.... oops".
But it did get me thinking, if they'd have been going the same way as me, it would have been unreasonable to not overtake the entire way as my journey was 35 minutes by bike, about 1 hr 30 by car and probably 2 hours at hearse speed. a) I was late for uni and b) I would have had to get home to post on here.
Would anyone here filter past a hearse?
A bike shot past my grandmother's procession years back. Bit surprised to be honest, then we realised it was one of the coffin bearers in full suit. Made us chuckle as most of us ride :-)
Lmfao!
Did the garage floor end up a sort of creamy white with speckles in it then ? (Re: groupwank)
SPECKLES?!
I love this place. This is the sort of stuff I love to see. Keep it up.
My two pence worth: I love to filter, it's one of the main things I like to do on a bike (so far I haven't convinced the Missus to do the other main thing I'd like to do on a bike). I also like buying motorcycles, taking them apart and letting them slowly rot in my garage. I also like picking my feet; sometimes I let the bits fall on the floor and sometimes I put them in the ashtray. My name's Darren and I like filtering.
Ooh did someone mention a groupwank?!
(I'd also like to know what controversial thing Jambo said).
Specialone
31-07-12, 06:39 AM
Can we stop the snotty comments at each other, it don't achieve nothing but upset the calm.
If you don't want to participate with a genuine comment in this thread please just leave it alone.
Ta
Littlepeahead
31-07-12, 07:31 AM
I filter. Unless I'm a bit tired or not feeling 100% when I'd rather take it easy. But filtering as a pillion in central London is less fun. Raving Mavis forgets that on his Gixxer I'm perched at exactly the right height to get my face smacked into bus wing mirrors. Chris Numbers folds his mirrors in and goes to squeeze through gaps with no consideration that my knees are still there and do not fold in too!
And especially in London I find the biggest annoyance is people stepping out between traffic. Usually tourists or idiots texting.
I had someone step out in front of me cycling this morning. Next time I'll run the fecker over! If I've built up speed cycling up a hill and i'm on a green light - you bet YO ass I ain't stopping!!! :D
Can we stop the snotty comments at each other, it don't achieve nothing but upset the calm.
If you don't want to participate with a genuine comment in this thread please just leave it alone.
Ta
Which is why I continue to be baffled why mr yorkie CONTINUES to write in a thread, which by his own account is pointless and even claim he did not say that. To say that something has no point is to say it is pointless EXACTLY the same as saying something has no legs is legless. Simple grasp of language
Elliott
31-07-12, 09:23 AM
Can someone just close the thread now. Who cares about people bickering?
I do, it's better than watching soaps :)
Littlepeahead
31-07-12, 09:37 AM
They should turn this into an Olympic sport - we might get a medal!
yorkie_chris
31-07-12, 09:44 AM
Filtering or bickering?
Both :)
Good sport all round
dizzyblonde
31-07-12, 09:54 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyC7ifWiWNI
pyC7ifWiWNI
:nomore:
Specialone
31-07-12, 10:53 AM
Which is why I continue to be baffled why mr yorkie CONTINUES to write in a thread, which by his own account is pointless and even claim he did not say that. To say that something has no point is to say it is pointless EXACTLY the same as saying something has no legs is legless. Simple grasp of language
In fairness to YC, he asked what the point was, he didn't say it was pointless, there is a difference.
Best thing to do if you don't want to fuel anyones flames is to just ignore them, not aimed at anyone in particular, generally.
Things fizzle out if left alone, use the ignore feature if a person consistently pee's you off.
Can someone just close the thread now. Who cares about people bickering?
Probably not far away now as it's lost it's path.
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