View Full Version : Disputing a penalty charge? (riding in bus lane)
Well, to be honest not sure I have a leg to stand on. Just got a notice with a picture of me in a bus lane at 4.10pm when it's operation from 4pm. Thought I'd check with the experienced folk if any excuses at all exists that could let me get away without paying? It's on Wandsworth Rd right outside big sainsbury's and the turn into the car park leads from that road. The bus lane ends a few meters before a normal road so that one can turn into the car park but obviously I was in the bus lane waaay too soon
ooops....
damn I could really use those £65 on something else :smt019
I guess its not ok for a Bike then?
Lots of them are ok but one i went in the other friday didnt have the sighn ?
They are a compleet Ache as ones ok the other not???
not that one. buses and pedal bikes only... damn
not like I didn't know. I ride though there all the time and always keep out. That day I was just an ar*e
yorkie_chris
21-08-12, 03:15 PM
Maybe find the regs and check it is properly signed etc?
Not sure if the usual 14 day rule applies to bus lanes either.
I would look on pepipoo.
what's pepipoo?
how do you mean properly signed?
14 days to pay 65 if not it's 130 squid
14 days appeal if you get in quick and can be sure its outside the reg's.
You could appeal and still get withing 14 days if your quick and if you fail still pay £65?
If not your going to have to own up to an honest 10 min's mistake.
what's pepipoo?
how do you mean properly signed?
14 days to pay 65 if not it's 130 squid
http://www.pepipoo.com/
the thing is, how can I appeal if i'm totally in the wrong. I wondered if there is any excuse that I could use
yorkie_chris
21-08-12, 03:35 PM
Try the pepipoo forums, they know all the regs, there might be wiggle room if the signs aren't done as is legally required.
If you have a missing markings.
You got a pic?
If they are clerly maked out ,You can't.
S##te happens ,None of us are angles if we are honest.
Worse things happen,Learn from it.The ammount of fines I'v paid for could probably bought me a new R1.
That's my second one in the last few months. Parked in Soho in a residents bay. Forgot they are in operation 24/7. Just assumed since it's after 6.30... obviously paid that. I was in the wrong. I think it's just easier to pay this one. Can't see much I can do. The sign is there.
Yep no sense in wasteing time If your in the wrong.Take the punishment.
Yes it sucks royal.Got that badge
Oh well. was worth a shot. thought maybe there is something someone knows about trying to wiggle out of it :D
Spank86
21-08-12, 03:52 PM
the thing is, how can I appeal if i'm totally in the wrong. I wondered if there is any excuse that I could use
Because you weren't riding in the bus lane, you just chose an unfortunate spot to pull accross the lane and stop after your bike developed a fault.
ooooh that's a good one! reckon will stick?
Spank86
21-08-12, 04:06 PM
Depends if it's only one photo on a static camera or not.
Maybe.
After all, you were clearly trying your hardest not to disrupt traffic by getting out of the way.
hmmm... no idea if they have more images. damn...
Spank86
21-08-12, 04:16 PM
If they only sent one chances are they only have one.
sputnik
21-08-12, 04:17 PM
It was probably some sort of intermittent fault. No sooner had you pulled over than it seemed to right itself, hence you probably can't be seen in any pictures to be indicating or indeed stopped? I'm just guessing! :rolleyes:
Can't imagine they'd be gullible enough to go for it but you never know.
just checked online. they have a few photos but only on that one short stretch. wonder if it's worth trying it with the fault scenario. i risk being rejected then paying 130
Dave-the-rave
21-08-12, 05:50 PM
Tell em your ex was riding the bike.
If your average speed is more than 20mph they know your takings the P.
You might get away with it. They might take a very dim view and throw the book at you .
No points yet...
I'm gonna go back tonight and check the position of the signs. Looked into it and found they must be in very specific locations or else it's non enforceable
Also found out if I appeal and they reject I have another 14 days to pay the lower fine.
Do you reckon they can prosecute or something if I come up with a really stupid challenge to the notice?
Tell em your ex was riding the bike.
won't wash. the owner is legally responsible
fizzwheel
21-08-12, 06:13 PM
If it were me, I would pay the fine and take it on the chin with a mental note not to do it again.
Dave-the-rave
21-08-12, 06:13 PM
Tell em your ex stole the bike.\\:D/
hey if i can save £65 I will try. doing my research as we speak. there's something about a 20 metre rule. anyone heard of it?
BINGO! (I HOPE) if you wish to turn left within 20 meters! I was indeed turning left!
speedyandypandy
21-08-12, 06:28 PM
Good luck, go get them.
BINGO! (I HOPE) if you wish to turn left within 20 meters! I was indeed turning left!
This might only be for lanes with dotted lines for vehicles to enter when preparing to turn left (there's one Eastbound on the A40 just past the Edgware Rd).
Let us know what happens.
I was wondering if I can contest stating I wish to see a video footage that shows I was riding in it for more than 20 meters as I don't believe I was. There is something about 20 meters grace regarding whether you're turning. They don't have the vid online so maybe they don't have it thus can't prove it. Then I can say I entered accidentally and promptly exited
Just be careful what your doing .Don't end up in more trouble .
what's the worst that could happen? they'll say you did travel more than 20 metres here's the fine. i don't believe i did
speedyandypandy
22-08-12, 09:27 AM
I don't think I would go into all this research and what not for £65, add a 0 and I'd be a certified counsler at the end if it.
maybe not you but £65 is a lot for me so for the sake of a little research and filling out a form which takes five minutes I may as well give it a try.
peed off... I have never been in a bus lane when I'm not supposed to EVER. first and certainly last time.
done. this is all I wrote. worth a shot; costs me nothing to try.
I wish to appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice.
I did not ride along the bus lane in question but looking to turn left into Sainsbury’s car park, (situated to the left of the bus lane) unintentionally clipped the last few meters whilst aiming to position myself in the correct lane for the turn. I believe I was in the last 20 meters of the said bus lane which is permissible. A genuine error has occurred due to an unfair car park access positioning and I believe the 20 meters should be graced.
speedyandypandy
22-08-12, 09:35 AM
Lucky for us someone in the department of driving or whatever did the clever thing, we can by default ride in the bus(bus, taxi, electrical cars, mopeds and MCs) lane. But a parking ticket is £50, speeding tickets £150-600
or higher if you end up in court.
speedyandypandy
22-08-12, 09:35 AM
done. this is all I wrote. worth a shot; costs me nothing to try.
I wish to appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice.
I did not ride along the bus lane in question but looking to turn left into Sainsbury’s car park, (situated to the left of the bus lane) unintentionally clipped the last few meters whilst aiming to position myself in the correct lane for the turn. I believe I was in the last 20 meters of the said bus lane which is permissible. A genuine error has occurred due to an unfair car park access positioning and I believe the 20 meters should be graced.
Sounds bl**dy clever, well done.
Steve_God
22-08-12, 10:29 AM
Fingers crossed! :)
RizlaSV
22-08-12, 11:05 AM
There wasn't a car turning right further up the road that you could blame?
appollo1
22-08-12, 11:40 AM
done. this is all I wrote. worth a shot; costs me nothing to try.
I wish to appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice.
.............. I believe I was in the last 20 meters of the said bus lane which is permissible.....................
Permissable in accordance with what? Maybe you should quote where you read it is permissable.
timwilky
22-08-12, 11:52 AM
I love stories like this. There is no such thing a bus lane anywhere near where I live. To the best of my knowledge I have never ridden within 10 miles of one. I therefore think it totally unfair that different systems exist in different towns and from what I have read in that there london you can ride in some and not others.
Now how the hell is somebody like me expected to know what I can do in a strange place. If I did ever ride to that there london place I would be too busy watching the road to read signs. I know from experience that give a southerner an inch the b'stard will take a mile with no consideration for the poor sod on two wheels.
RizlaSV
22-08-12, 12:02 PM
I love stories like this. There is no such thing a bus lane anywhere near where I live. To the best of my knowledge I have never ridden within 10 miles of one. I therefore think it totally unfair that different systems exist in different towns and from what I have read in that there london you can ride in some and not others.
Now how the hell is somebody like me expected to know what I can do in a strange place. If I did ever ride to that there london place I would be too busy watching the road to read signs. I know from experience that give a southerner an inch the b'stard will take a mile with no consideration for the poor sod on two wheels.
I would assume that the case would be it's updated in the highway code and whether it was covered in your theory or not at the time of passing, it's a riders/drivers responsibility to keep up to date with this?
. I therefore think it totally unfair that different systems exist in different towns and from what I have read in that there london you can ride in some and not others.
Now how the hell is somebody like me expected to know what I can do in a strange place. If I did ever ride to that there london place I would be too busy watching the road to read signs..
Yes thats what caught me out :(
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&ll=51.480073,-0.128204&spn=0.000007,0.005284&t=m&z=18&layer=c&cbll=51.479984,-0.128251&panoid=OlQ0a3RpyKAS8frds0411Q&cbp=12,14.31,,0,14.53
Is this the bus lane heading towards Vauxhall one way system?
If so I can't see how your defence will work as the bus lane ends clearly before the left hand turning at the traffic lights.
(providing google maps is current)
I love stories like this. There is no such thing a bus lane anywhere near where I live. To the best of my knowledge I have never ridden within 10 miles of one. I therefore think it totally unfair that different systems exist in different towns and from what I have read in that there london you can ride in some and not others.
Now how the hell is somebody like me expected to know what I can do in a strange place. If I did ever ride to that there london place I would be too busy watching the road to read signs. I know from experience that give a southerner an inch the b'stard will take a mile with no consideration for the poor sod on two wheels.
By paying attention and reading the signs? It's not too hard, I took my route very slowly the first few times and payed attention to every sign and camera while riding safely. After that it becomes second nature where you can and cannot drive. As Agy said its normally something she knows and avoids but had a slip and got caught. I moved from driving in Birmingham where I avoided all the bus lanes to now riding in London where I use quite a few of them... I then went back to Birmingham and without thinking about it avoided all the bus lanes despite the fact I could ride in them purely out of Habit. I then took stock of all the signs again and figured out which I could and couldn't use WHILE riding safely.
Woogie your spechal.
I'm humbled in your presence.:jocolor:
Mummy thinks i'm speshul... I suspect its more in the window licking and crayon eating way though and not a term of endearment.
yorkie_chris
23-08-12, 10:16 AM
Who cares where the bus lanes are, it's where the cameras are that's important.
Biker Biggles
23-08-12, 01:02 PM
Big brother is everywhere.Thats the problem.
And I agree with Tim.The highway code should apply everywhere in the uk,and not be optional depending on what colour the council is or who might be mayor this year.
speedplay
23-08-12, 01:19 PM
I don't always agree with fizz but this is the only reasonable answer I've read.
You know you're in the wrong, deal with it.
yorkie_chris
23-08-12, 01:36 PM
I don't always agree with fizz but this is the only reasonable answer I've read.
You know you're in the wrong, deal with it.
B*llocks!
Maybe if you've nicked a quid out of a charity box but this is a bus lane we're talking about...
You know those things that are empty 90% of the time for no reason whatsoever that make incredibly convenient filtering lanes for motorcycles which are proven safer when bikes are allowed to use them...
These are taxation cameras working to "enforce" rules which work against the public interest.
Wriggle, bend the truth, look for every loophole possible... and if that doesn't work then make life as difficult as possible for them to get their drop of blood out of you. C*nts!!!
There should be a constancy to the rules.
The push bikes and electric cars can use them . So motor bikes 100% of the time thanks.
speedplay
23-08-12, 02:01 PM
I suppose you were the **** parked in the "empty" hard shoulder the other week on the m40 while fire crews were trying to get the the guy trapped in the car under the artic on its side then?
Next, you'll be saying that naked black curvys are the best bike on the road and are all that anybody will ever need....
yorkie_chris
23-08-12, 02:14 PM
I suppose you were the **** parked in the "empty" hard shoulder the other week on the m40 while fire crews were trying to get the the guy trapped in the car under the artic on its side then?
That's a complete non argument and for every point I raised above the opposite applies.
They are there for a legitimate safety reason.
They are empty most of the time for that reason.
They don't make very good filtering lanes for bikes because they're full of debris, and she wasn't in one.
There have been no studies or trials to show that it would be better to allow parking in them, in fact it's obvious that it's not at all safe to do that.
Next, you'll be saying that naked black curvys are the best bike on the road and are all that anybody will ever need....
:mrgreen:
sam anon
23-08-12, 03:12 PM
done. this is all I wrote. worth a shot; costs me nothing to try.
I wish to appeal against the Penalty Charge Notice.
I did not ride along the bus lane in question but looking to turn left into Sainsbury’s car park, (situated to the left of the bus lane) unintentionally clipped the last few meters whilst aiming to position myself in the correct lane for the turn. I believe I was in the last 20 meters of the said bus lane which is permissible. A genuine error has occurred due to an unfair car park access positioning and I believe the 20 meters should be graced.
I would always try and dispute anything of this nature, otherwise you might as well just roll over and die!
One thing that might be worth trying is adding some bike-specific details (maybe that you're taught to be as far left possible before turning left to eradicate a blind spot?), as this isn't something the vast majority of people could knowledgeably comment on.
Most councils are f*ing pr*cks looking to balance their shocking overspends by trying to fleece some more money from the tax-payer, so even if you fail you might as well make their jobs a little harder than pushing a pencil for an over-inflated pension.
I once tried to get out of a Parking Ticket I received for parking in a disabled space (I had no idea) by asking where they suggested I securely displayed a Blue Badge on a motorbike.
I failed.
fizzwheel
23-08-12, 03:39 PM
I would always try and dispute anything of this nature, otherwise you might as well just roll over and die!
Even if you know you are in the wrong ?
I was brought up to accept that if I had done something wrong I would have to accept the consequences of my actions.
For me I wouldn't and haven't in the past been able been able to justify the time and effort required to wriggle out of stuff like this, quite frankly I have better things to be spending my time doing.
If I had done nothing wrong then yes appeal or fight it. But when you know you are in the wrong and have done the wrong thing, then no I wouldn't I would accept it and pay the fine.
But then that's just me... I've known for a long time that I have a different outlook and life than other people do. There's no wrong or right answer here and I wouldn't think baldy of somebody who choose to appeal against something like this, its just like I said I couldn't be bothered with it.
There are plenty of people and corperations who reguly avoid paying tax.
If they were as consiensous as you we ,the unwashed would be paying less tax ;)
wyrdness
23-08-12, 03:46 PM
Even if you know you are in the wrong ?
I was brought up to accept that if I had done something wrong I would have to accept the consequences of my actions
But he hasn't 'done something wrong'. He just happens to have broken an arbitrary rule. Bikes are allowed in some bus lanes, but not others. That doesn't meant that it is morally wrong to ride in lanes where bikes aren't allowed.
Spank86
23-08-12, 04:02 PM
Even if you know you are in the wrong ?
I was brought up to accept that if I had done something wrong I would have to accept the consequences of my actions.
.
For me there's a difference between wrong and illegal.
The government is the final arbiter of the law and legality but I make decisions based on my morals and what is right and wrong.
sam anon
23-08-12, 11:10 PM
Even if you know you are in the wrong ?
I was brought up to accept that if I had done something wrong I would have to accept the consequences of my actions.
For me I wouldn't and haven't in the past been able been able to justify the time and effort required to wriggle out of stuff like this, quite frankly I have better things to be spending my time doing.
If I had done nothing wrong then yes appeal or fight it. But when you know you are in the wrong and have done the wrong thing, then no I wouldn't I would accept it and pay the fine.
But then that's just me... I've known for a long time that I have a different outlook and life than other people do. There's no wrong or right answer here and I wouldn't think baldy of somebody who choose to appeal against something like this, its just like I said I couldn't be bothered with it.
I would generally agree with you, but making a mistake once in a while shouldn't result in an OTT fine.
When it comes down to time vs. money, I always guess how long something will take, and if it saves me an equivalent of the pay I would get for spending that amount of time at work then I deem it worthwhile.
Well exactly. I never said I was fault free here but for all the reasons above mentioned, it is worth a try. For some of us £65 is a lot of money and for the sake of a few minutes writing an appeal, it is worth a shot. I may have done "wrong" but I also think it is extremely "wrong" the way councils launder us of all our money not just through a selection of rules/fines but also very high council taxes
tinychaos42
28-08-12, 11:07 AM
Hey,
I've only had one bus lane penalty charge so far, talked to Camden council about it. Basically for them the crucial thing was that I clearly entered the bus lane when it started, not swerved into it afterwards. The guy said that normally the 'unofficial' case is that they let people go without the payment if they were riding in the lane for < 20m, and didn't enter it where it started. Otherwise, you'll possibly have to pay the fine.
Also, if you try to dispute (which is worth it, since you can't lose anything), make sure they reset the 2-week period for the 65 quid payment. I got the dispute response at the end of the 2nd week, but they didn't reset it to restart the 2 week again so ended up almost paying 130 instead, I had to call them again to reset. (possibly they would've reset it after 2 weeks anyways, just better to be on the safe side)
Dicky Ticker
28-08-12, 03:42 PM
Sounds bizarre but you would have to pull over to the side of the road to check your watch to check the time which would mean you being in the bus lane. SV's do not have clocks fitted as standard so it is a reasonable assumption the you may have been delayed by the intensity of traffic and not aware of the exact time.
Yep Thats bad. Good point there DT
Guys.... you will not believe this and you are more than welcome to laugh at me. Just arrived home to find TWO MORE PCNs on that same road. Both in one day, one clipping that same effing bus lane on my way to Sainsbury's the other on my way back...
That's a total of nearly £200 worth of fines and who knows, maybe there's more on their way....?? Don't know how I managed that. I thought I'm by enlarge pretty law abiding. Gutted. Angry with myself but also angry with the council for being so effing greedy and charging so much! There should be a discount for repeat offenders
Spank86
28-08-12, 04:39 PM
It would take a truly horrendous individual to suggest scanning the obituaries column of the paper and pinning it all on a dead guy.
So I won't, I doubt it would work anyway.
Guys.... you will not believe this and you are more than welcome to laugh at me. Just arrived home to find TWO MORE PCNs on that same road. Both in one day, one clipping that same effing bus lane on my way to Sainsbury's the other on my way back...
That's a total of nearly £200 worth of fines and who knows, maybe there's more on their way....?? Don't know how I managed that. I thought I'm by enlarge pretty law abiding. Gutted. Angry with myself but also angry with the council for being so effing greedy and charging so much! There should be a discount for repeat offenders
You 100% sure its you nd not someone copied your reg?
Nah. It's me in the picture. I have no idea why I did it. I know the hours of operation. I honestly cannot explain why I was in the bus lane. Gutted doesnt cover it. I think I'm gonna have to sell my cannon camera to pay for this.
I don't know... This is all very strange. I live here, I know the hours of operation. I find it hard to believe I would enter it on three occasions when I know I don't normally do it. Maybe they're trying to stitch me up?!?!
ruddlad
28-08-12, 06:36 PM
http://www.nottinghamcity.gov.uk/CHttpHandler.ashx?id=22062&p=0
Not had this issue, but worth a read, there's a 20 metre allowance and a 5 minutes after the lane becomes active and 5 minutes before the lane it becomes inactive window before fines are issued. You say "clipped" the bus lane??? How clipped??
Clipped as in cut into it towards the end, not rode from the beginning
£30... lucky motorists of Nottingham :(
it's £130 here. £65 if you pay in two weeks
Dave-the-rave
28-08-12, 07:09 PM
You're a hard core crim with form now Agy. You should update your training sessions to include armed robbery, post office stick ups, white collar crime etc. :D
LOL
Oh I wish those officials would just bloody drown. It's a stupid bloody law. A bike in bus lane harms no one. There are crazy people on the roads driving dangerously and I have £200 worth of fines for being in a stupid bus lane when I obstructed no one and no harm was done.
ruddlad
28-08-12, 07:55 PM
Agree, ride with no insurance, MOT or tax and you'd get fined less. Simple stealth way of distributing the wealth. I have a simple policy, if I'm not sure then I don't do it now. Why are cyclists allowed in bus lanes but NOT motor cyclists? Give or take we roughly take the same amount of space AND pay towards the roads!!!!!!!
I NEVER let buses out, there is NO legal requirement or special priority for buses to be let out. I argue I can't use your lane so f*ck off when trying to muscle in on mine. I have even removed my car keys when a bus deliberately drove at me when he didn't have right of way and told him to call his superior, I wasn't in a rush or on a timescale but you are, he soon reversed up.
I know of a someone who went across a red light to allow an ambulance to get past and his fine STOOD. The country is friggin crazy, I would make as much space as I could in that situation but NOT cross a red light. If they scraped the car then claim.
Problem is now is that common sense is not allowed, in a country where in a court of law you are innocent until proven guilty, the opposite applies to road incidents.
Anyhow soap box away, rant over lol
I hear you mate! Sometimes I wish I could just move away from this whole bloody planet! Too many things wind me up!!! :D
yorkie_chris
28-08-12, 08:34 PM
Nah. It's me in the picture. I have no idea why I did it. I know the hours of operation. I honestly cannot explain why I was in the bus lane. Gutted doesnt cover it. I think I'm gonna have to sell my cannon camera to pay for this.
It's a complete sh*tter when these scumbags will cause genuine financial difficulty for actual people through these taxation methods where if you're a sub-human theiving scumbag* who'd actually done something wrong you'd get charged your fine at 20p a week :(
*Bit like a scamera operator actually. Funny enough I've never met one, wouldn't blame them for not admitting it lest everyone, everywhere recreate the lock, stock and 2 smoking barrels; "I f***ing hate traffic wardens" scene #happy thoughts#
pinpoint_uk
28-08-12, 08:45 PM
I NEVER let buses out, there is NO legal requirement or special priority for buses to be let out. I argue I can't use your lane so f*ck off
I think there is but only if the bus has stopped at a stop and is still on the carriageway. Once they have indicated, as long as its safe you have to let them go. When in a bus stop which is off the carriageway then there is no requirement to let them out.
I know this as on a pre-test for my DAS this happened to me and I let the bus go and asked for clarification. Well unless the instructor was wrong of course....
I agree with the sentiment of the post, would love info on the red light fine that stood as it clearly states in the highway code you can cross a red light if needed and safe.
Rich
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I think there is but only if the bus has stopped at a stop and is still on the carriageway. Once they have indicated, as long as its safe you have to let them go. When in a bus stop which is off the carriageway then there is no requirement to let them out.
I know this as on a pre-test for my DAS this happened to me and I let the bus go and asked for clarification. Well unless the instructor was wrong of course....
I agree with the sentiment of the post, would love info on the red light fine that stood as it clearly states in the highway code you can cross a red light if needed and safe.
Rich
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Really? :rolleyes:
Spank86
28-08-12, 08:53 PM
I'm sure the highway code says : give way to buses.
I've got a copy somewhere and will check in a bit.
ruddlad
28-08-12, 09:08 PM
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_069858
223
Buses, coaches and trams. Give priority to these vehicles when you can do so safely, especially when they signal to pull away from stops. Look out for people getting off a bus or tram and crossing the road.
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/TravelAndTransport/Highwaycode/DG_070236
MUST/MUST NOT are legal requirements
It's advisory, there is no legal requirement to do so.
pinpoint_uk
28-08-12, 09:54 PM
Fair enough - stand corrected. Personally never had a problem with buses but understand in London as there are loads then it can cause issues.
Rich
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pinpoint_uk
28-08-12, 10:00 PM
Really? :rolleyes:
Take appropiate actions to let it pass, whilst obeying traffic signs...... I take that as allowing it although the last bit does worry me... I certainly would not be happy with a driver not crossing a red light to get out of the way if safe to do so.
Again I have never had any problems with this and have never heard of anybody else having issues.
Rich
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"Take appropiate actions to let it pass, whilst obeying traffic signs" is not quite the same as ""clearly states in the highway code you can cross a red light if needed and safe".
I would suggest that a traffic light is technically a traffic sign, indicating that you must stop prior to the stop line unless it is dangerous not too, and not pass it until the light is green AND it is safe to do so.
I would fully agree that moving through a red light to clear a path for an emergency vehicle makes common sense (and I have done this in the past), however that does not make it legal. I too would be ****ed off to get a fine for doing that.
missyburd
29-08-12, 04:28 PM
I wouldn't think baldy of somebody who choose to appeal against something like this
That's good, YC wouldn't be too happy if you did, he's most sensitive about his lack of hair :D
I don't know... This is all very strange. I live here, I know the hours of operation. I find it hard to believe I would enter it on three occasions when I know I don't normally do it.
I know someone who managed to get snapped by the same fixed speed camera 3 times in her car, maybe she was just unlucky as might be your case. Or maybe she was asleep all three times :p
What's the crack with this then, I'm guessing you're not going to try to appeal everything, either way it's a lot of wonga to lose :( I was going to say by all means appeal the first one if there's a chance of saving the cash but if the b@stards have got you twice more...
Spank86
29-08-12, 05:02 PM
I wonder if you can argue its one offence?
On what grounds would that be: a fart bubble in the space/time vortex?
Spank86
29-08-12, 08:31 PM
Well, if you get pulled Over for speeding, you don't get a ticket per metre.
The police can follow you for as long as they like but it's one offence, if you'd not left the bus lane surely it would be too?
Well, if you get pulled Over for speeding, you don't get a ticket per metre.
The police can follow you for as long as they like but it's one offence, if you'd not left the bus lane surely it would be too?
However, get caught by three speed cameras on the same day/same stretch of road and that counts as three offences
Spank86
30-08-12, 06:56 AM
However, get caught by three speed cameras on the same day/same stretch of road and that counts as three offences
Which is bull**** in my opinion.
ow cna it be if you never slowed down, the govenrment only gets away with it because it's a worse punishment if you contest it in court.
don't know how the law is down there but up here you can ask for 'time to pay' but usually requires a 'means test'.
sam anon
30-08-12, 03:11 PM
Guys.... you will not believe this and you are more than welcome to laugh at me. Just arrived home to find TWO MORE PCNs on that same road. Both in one day, one clipping that same effing bus lane on my way to Sainsbury's the other on my way back...
That's a total of nearly £200 worth of fines and who knows, maybe there's more on their way....?? Don't know how I managed that. I thought I'm by enlarge pretty law abiding. Gutted. Angry with myself but also angry with the council for being so effing greedy and charging so much! There should be a discount for repeat offenders
I would write to them and tell them to **** off. Then get in touch with your local MP, and everything else you can think of. Motorists making small mistakes are just easy pickings!
As you know I appealed the first one for the 11th aug so waiting to hear but I'm sure they'll reject it. The other two 17th aug within 15 mins of each other but different bus lane on the same road. I'm going to give it a shot and appeal on "compassionate grounds". Doesn't hurt to try even if they tell me to bugger off.
What's happening with these Agy?
Not heard anything yet. I appealed the other two on compassionate grounds.. I'm sure they'll reject it but I have nothing to lose cos they just give you another two weeks to pay.
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