View Full Version : Anyone seen this: "Im not a driver Im exercising my right to travel
Owenski
10-09-12, 04:01 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAWYkQcOeDU&feature=channel&list=UL
tactcom7
10-09-12, 04:05 PM
****ing wikipedia is the enemy, a little information is a dangerous thing.
Pathetic. One of these who knows their rights but not their responsibilities. I just hope that one day he needs a police officer or ambulance or fire service and feels compelled to declare himself as outside of the scope of delivery of service at the point of consumption.
Bluepete
10-09-12, 04:23 PM
I'm not going to even watch it.
Feckin muppets.
Pete ;)
tactcom7
10-09-12, 04:30 PM
Matt did you watch part 3?
joshwalker094
10-09-12, 04:32 PM
Tell me what he's done, I'm not wasting 22 minutes listening to a *****
Fallout
10-09-12, 04:40 PM
Tell me what he's done, I'm not wasting 22 minutes listening to a *****
Some dude doesn't want to pay for his insurance and road tax, or get his car MOTed. So he's read up on a load of law, found what he deems to be a loophole, and then spends approximately 7 billion years trying to convince very patient and pleasant police officers of why it's right.
tactcom7
10-09-12, 04:41 PM
Some dude doesn't want to pay for his insurance and road tax, or get his car MOTed. So he's read up on a load of law, found what he deems to be a loophole, and then spends approximately 7 billion years trying to convince very patient and pleasant police officers of why it's right.
watch part 3 he get's arrested and his car seized, much lols.
Please tell me in part 4 it's crushed with him inside it declaring himself outside the laws of physics too.
Scythe92
10-09-12, 04:54 PM
Please tell me in part 4 it's crushed with him inside it declaring himself outside the laws of physics too.
Hahaha!
This is brilliant.
Specialone
10-09-12, 05:00 PM
Although I don't agree with it, I find it interesting and so should the authorities so they can get close any loopholes, we've got enough bloody b'strds driving round brum without insurance or licenses etc without them finding out about this.
Big respect to the officer though, he remained professional the whole time (might be due to the camera maybe), most people would've lost their patience a long time back.
yorkie_chris
10-09-12, 05:05 PM
As much as I think the freeman on the land thing interesting, and that more people should fight against intrusive state controls... are they all just nuggets who want to avoid paying their car insurance?
Fallout
10-09-12, 05:22 PM
As much as I think the freeman on the land thing interesting, and that more people should fight against intrusive state controls... are they all just nuggets who want to avoid paying their car insurance?
I think yes, but most likely have deluded themselves into thinking its for "human rights".
The thing is, he strongly saying it's unjust and that the police are wrong and have no right, but I always think we ultimately have no rights. 'Rights' are just their own category of made up rules. He's just trading one set for another that suits him better.
It's pathetic. I don't like insurance and tax etc. but I pay it, not because it's right, but because I know the repercussions are bad if I don't. That's the only reason why people do anything; either for reward, or to avoid something bad. In his deluded world, he'd fighting for a set of 'rights' which are no more right or wrong or just than the those set out in the road traffic act (or whatever).
Misguided time wasting nobber.
I think yes, but most likely have deluded themselves into thinking its for "human rights".
The thing is, he strongly saying it's unjust and that the police are wrong and have no right, but I always think we ultimately have no rights. 'Rights' are just their own category of made up rules. He's just trading one set for another that suits him better.
It's pathetic. I don't like insurance and tax etc. but I pay it, not because it's right, but because I know the repercussions are bad if I don't. That's the only reason why people do anything; either for reward, or to avoid something bad. In his deluded world, he'd fighting for a set of 'rights' which are no more right or wrong or just than the those set out in the road traffic act (or whatever).
Misguided time wasting nobber.
DAVE --> PUB
Will make sense to anyone with knowledge of the GM empire.
MisterTommyH
10-09-12, 05:25 PM
Thats as bad as the American Video that came up the other day..... t0ssers
Specialone
10-09-12, 05:25 PM
I hate insurance companies with every cell in my body tbh and it would be great to have them suffer a bit :smt028
Im waiting for my lottery win so i can insure myself, i believe you can self insure and underwrite your own risk with a certain amount of cash in the bank.
Milky Bar Kid
10-09-12, 05:30 PM
I hate insurance companies with every cell in my body tbh and it would be great to have them suffer a bit :smt028
Im waiting for my lottery win so i can insure myself, i believe you can self insure and underwrite your own risk with a certain amount of cash in the bank.
Yeh that's correct. Can't remember the exact figure off the top of my head though.
Spank86
10-09-12, 05:52 PM
I'd have more respect if he'd built his own car.
As much as I think the freeman on the land thing interesting, and that more people should fight against intrusive state controls... are they all just nuggets who want to avoid paying their car insurance?
+1
the gov control the country by order of the queen (or who ever is 'crowned') and make laws on behalf of the crown and the people have no say in these laws as we are all subjects of the crown. your life and possessions actually belong to the crown for instance if you buy land you don't own that land you only bought the right to use that land the crown still own the land and can seize it any time they like 'by order'. what they can't do is gain access to that land any time they see fit well they can now but that's a different thing altogether.
there is no proof that the magna carta was actually signed by king John of England and if he did then 'the laws of the land' still have effect. roll on 800 odd years and the laws have evolved so even claiming 'freeman' status you still have to abide by the law. now 'law of the land' is a tricky one as the crown own the land so any law's that they pass is deemed 'law of the land'. now instead of the crown running the day to day stuff they decided that it would be better if they had people to govern the country for them. now we have a police force instead of the crowns army to enforce the law. everyone in the UK is a 'freeman' and are allowed to go about their business until such time that they break the law to which point they stop being a freeman and are placed in custody for sentencing if found to be free of the crime then they are allowed to go about their business again a free man or charged with the crime and sentenced at a later date by order of a summons.
these so called 'freeman' morons are taking something and trying to twist it to their gain without actually understanding what they are reading. maybe 800 years ago you could quote parts of the charter (if you could read) to keep you from being prosecuted but as we have evolved we accept what the laws are and freeman abide by them not twist them.
the thing is we live on land that the crown own and just being on that land dictates that we have to abide by the laws of that land just like the land that was 'holy land' where i you could reach in time without being caught they you could live the rest of your days on that land. alas these days are gone and no holy lands remain.
what i don't agree with is the gov making laws for their own gain but that's a completely different kettle of fish.
sv_rory
10-09-12, 05:56 PM
I find the freeman of the land stuff interesting however I do believe certain individuals use it to be ********s
AndyBrad
10-09-12, 06:02 PM
i see where this guys comming from. I do like the idea of being able to opt out of society however to do that you must be happy to opt out of both your legal and moral obligations to society. Personally i see him along the same lines as some of the chav scum from bradford.
If you opt out then good for you. But dont expect to use the highways (private roads) or to have to opt out of insurance (hit me and i will have everything you own, including your soul. Even more so i would back charge this guy for any nhs treatment hes had.
Personally if i was that copper that he said please do not trespass to i would have "exercised my right to do what the feck i want" at this point i would have put his window through, nailed him to an ad hoc cross made from a couple of fence posts at the side of the motorway with a sign around his neck and then set the tool alight.
or made a cup of tea, got back in my car and gone home.
sometimes i wonder if im angry inside....
Nice fella. Those coppers have the patience of Saints.
Soulkiss needs to see this.
sometimes i wonder if im angry inside....
it's the anger that keeps me sane ;)
Bluepete
10-09-12, 06:06 PM
Have a read of this.
http://birkenhead.fmotl.com/
It's often quoted and in my own, personal experience, made no feckin difference whatsoever!
I've not watched, but I don't bother waiting twenty minutes trying to persuade them otherwise. Cuffs, click, every trip.
Pete
Dave20046
10-09-12, 06:09 PM
I find the freeman of the land stuff interesting however I do believe certain individuals use it to be ********s
I like the 4rseholes that sit on the dole, then when the bailiffs come a-knockin quote how they opt out of society and upload the small victory for free-man kind to youtube.
Why do they always have monotone voices too?
Wideboy
10-09-12, 06:31 PM
where is part 3? i cant find it
Wideboy
10-09-12, 06:33 PM
found it
Wideboy
10-09-12, 06:57 PM
i enjoyed watching him lose, does anyone know if there's an after story? he's a victim of his own bull**** as according to his explanation of crap the car technically wasn't his.
what a waste of oxygen, hopefully natural selection/his own stupidity will deal with him
Fallout
10-09-12, 07:07 PM
He couldn't possible have provided the proof of MOT, tax and insurance required to release the car from the impound, so I'm pretty sure someone else is driving it now, who actually pays to run it!
Treacle
10-09-12, 07:55 PM
What an utter bell end! Dont s'pose anyone got where that number plate was from, look foreign.
The Idle Biker
10-09-12, 08:25 PM
I couldn't bear to watch it it all. I couldn't give a feck about what he thinks.
I'm just glad there's still people around that wish to, and are allowed to, challenge laws they feel are unfair.
Better that than a land full of soporific sheep and forelock tuggers.
Owenski
10-09-12, 08:51 PM
Im surprised only Andy wrote (even if you all thought) that what happens if this bozo hits me etc.
It's all well and good saying you're opting out but what about all the support that society offers.
Its proper painful been in the company of people doing this ****, it's like the age old "it's legal tender" argument (yours wa slightly different Tom for the obvious reasons) but most folk stand there saying "it's legal tender I'm within my rights to pay with it" ... Yeah you are pal but it's my point of service and I can refuse that service to anyone. So while you're paying with a Scottish £50 I'm exercising that right so change the money or change the shop". Used to drive me nuts when I worked at the service station. I recon that frustration has carried with me thru life cos I always feel that same "oh here we go again" feeling when this sort of I'm within my rights bs erupts.
Oh an I'm in 'camp copper' as opposed to been a police basher but this officer deserves a promotion he's brilliant. His mate seems a bit of an ego but the first copper is fantastic even when you can see him question if it's actually happening or not lol, top bloke full marks.
Spank86
10-09-12, 08:55 PM
Incidentally you could also point out that. It only are Scottish notes NOT legal tender in England, they're not legal tender in Scotland either.
And unless they're trying to pay off a debt its largely irrelevant which I'm sure you know.
ooohhh lets not start on the whole legal tender issue.. but since you ask, yes Scottish and NI notes are not legal tender in England and Wales but neither are BOE notes legal tender in Scotland and NI. for every note produced in Scotland and NI we have to have the same amount stored at the BOE as BOE notes. here is the sticky part, if Scotland decide to have independence then we will require that the BOE hand over our money which is supposed to be ring fenced and not taken into account with the BOE financial status on world markets. now the funny part, if i was on holiday in England and i change some Scottish notes at a bank for BOE notes what happens to the Scottish note as it has effectively been exchanged into legal tender :-)
so Scotland and NI have to have the same amount of tender in the BOE as we have in circulation but the BOE can issue tender when ever they or the government feel the need for quantitative easing even if they don't hold anything of value to back it up such as gold.
lets not start the whole BOE, NI and Scottish thing off again as it's just getting to a point we will accept each others without fuss.
Fallout
10-09-12, 09:31 PM
On the "opt out of society" issue, to me that means I can kick you in the nuts, scalp you and use it a toupe. Opting out of society means no protection from the law. You become an insect, for anyone to crush whenever they like. Seems like a rather foolish idea to me!
I hate insurance companies with every cell in my body tbh and it would be great to have them suffer a bit :smt028
Im waiting for my lottery win so i can insure myself, i believe you can self insure and underwrite your own risk with a certain amount of cash in the bank.
I think it's something like £500,000. Trying to find it in writing somewhere.
well if i ever win the big one i'll become the org insurance company.
On the "opt out of society" issue, to me that means I can kick you in the nuts, scalp you and use it a toupe. Opting out of society means no protection from the law. You become an insect, for anyone to crush whenever they like. Seems like a rather foolish idea to me!
That seems a perfectly fair and reasonable thing to do to these stupid "freemen". If anything I'd say you were being a little restrained.
sv_rory
10-09-12, 11:03 PM
I've actually just watched this! what a to553r! so what if he runs somebody over, no consideration at all, string the tw4t up!
Milky Bar Kid
10-09-12, 11:27 PM
Yeh, that's the thing that gets me. I can understand wanting to challenge laws etc etc, if the proper channels are taken but if that guy smashes into someone and leaves them paralysed or whatever, who is going to pay for the persons care if he doesn't have third party insurance in force?
sv_rory
10-09-12, 11:49 PM
Yeh, that's the thing that gets me. I can understand wanting to challenge laws etc etc, if the proper channels are taken but if that guy smashes into someone and leaves them paralysed or whatever, who is going to pay for the persons care if he doesn't have third party insurance in force?
Thank god for the motor insurers bureau ! I cant understand why anybody would behave like that! it's beyond me!
Spank86
11-09-12, 06:26 AM
but neither are BOE notes legal tender in Scotland
Not sure about NI, but nothing is legal tender in scotland.
yorkie_chris
11-09-12, 07:53 AM
Where's smudge when you need him.
On the "opt out of society" issue, to me that means I can kick you in the nuts, scalp you and use it a toupe. Opting out of society means no protection from the law. You become an insect, for anyone to crush whenever they like. Seems like a rather foolish idea to me!
That seems a perfectly fair and reasonable thing to do to these stupid "freemen". If anything I'd say you were being a little restrained.
From what I have heard it's more about trying to force a trial by common law rather than complete anarchy.
tactcom7
11-09-12, 08:00 AM
Part 4 is him sobbing into his hemp sticthed bodkin at the pound as they crush his car due to lack of car tax etc (or 'road fund license' if you're a pedantic knobber)
Owenski
11-09-12, 08:30 AM
Part 3 is funny!
"this is theft, you're the criminals now"
Then he puts words in the mouth of the chief constable relating to his actions as a soldier. The ungrateful useless waste of skin, I've got no time for those who discredit/disrespect our service men in any force or service. I seriously don't know how the first officer remained so calm, he's repeatable interrupted by "Dave" and then told by Dave to allow him to finish, that officer is a golden asset to the Police. In the segment where the officer is trying to explain just how the Section 165 seizure notice will work, I think I'd have chucked in the towel by then saying "look mate they're gonna crush your car, start playing the game and there's a chance you'll get it back"
The only bit that doesn't add up is that at one point the officer has hold of a passport then minutes later says they're searching the car in order to prove the identity of the driver... would his passport not do that?
The officer has the patients of a saint .
Well done .
Another uninsured driver off the road ( for a bit anyway).
tactcom7
11-09-12, 09:37 AM
Where's owenski with his corrective scoreboard when you need him.
Paul the 6th
11-09-12, 10:42 AM
at what point are they allowed to forcibly remove him from the car and lock him up?
ClunkintheUK
11-09-12, 11:41 AM
I think when the second copper came out they said they were arresting him and gave him the choce. Come out of the car of his own free will as a "freeman", or they could break the window/car to take him out by force. (just before he went blathering on about "My service is not free"). Fair enough he was given the choice, smash the car guys.
Funnily enough the american term "Outlaw" means exactly what exactly was said earlier. They have been decreed out side of the law by flouting it and thus have no legal status or protections from the law. You could kill them and take their stuff etc. (its not stealing as you can only steal from someone with legal status).
Owenski
11-09-12, 11:42 AM
at what point are they allowed to forcibly remove him from the car and lock him up?
In part 3 (Vid in OP is part 2).
In part 3 they say they're allowed to remove him on the grounds that he is unable to provide identification to verify who he is.
Bluepetes logic seems more apt though...
"oh so you're one of those awkward buggers who will chalk this up as a win if I get bored and let you go... in that case you're coming with me, I'll bang you up and let the CPS decide what to do with you"
Owenski
11-09-12, 11:44 AM
Outlaw... has a certain ring to it, I'd rather say I was an outlaw than a freeman.
ClunkintheUK
11-09-12, 11:45 AM
The bit that really annoyed me was his pointless twisting of language. "There is not the correct language for my form of convayance". er yes there is, The copper recited it to you, its called a motor vehicle. Changing some words for different flowery language does not stop the previously defined words being correct. Then as this movement seems to be talking about common law, the is a wealth of case evidence (i.e. what common law is biult on) stating that his personally automobile of conveyance can be described as a motor vehicle.
But I rant. Sorry.
yorkie_chris
11-09-12, 11:46 AM
In part 3 they say they're allowed to remove him on the grounds that he is unable to provide identification to verify who he is.
We turning into the USA now?
Fallout
11-09-12, 11:46 AM
Outlaw... has a certain ring to it, I'd rather say I was an outlaw than a freeman.
I would rather be called a Death Ninja, but not sure whether I could live up to it.
Fallout
11-09-12, 11:47 AM
We turning into the USA now?
I think that's in the case of them investigating a crime (I think it mentions that in the vid). So if you're standing next to a dead body, and you can't verify your identification, they can't contact you later. So in that case they'll arrest you before you vanish, so they can get any required info. In this case, he's stuffing every traffic law, and if they can't ID him, they can't prosecute later, so it fulfills the requirements.
ClunkintheUK
11-09-12, 11:49 AM
We are looking at this from the poitn of view of what if he hit one of us on the bike. I'd also say what is his arguement if, say, that 44 tonne truck wanted to use the bit of public highway that this private conveyance happened to be using. Preferably at 56 mph (or however fast they are allowed to go.) Worth getting an HGV license for.
AndyBrad
11-09-12, 11:55 AM
I would rather be called a Death Ninja, but not sure whether I could live up to it.
brilliant !
hes a terrorist i think. cant they get him on that? ive seen them before they all look the same (ducks)
I can understand protesting a right to travel but doing it with an uninsured, untaxed and un-MOT'ed vehicle is a step too far.
Wideboy
11-09-12, 12:23 PM
Again I refer back to one of my bills for the GM cabinet. Laser guided missiles ready to deploy on the motorway. Boom, problem solved.
Wideboy
11-09-12, 12:24 PM
Again I refer back to one of my bills for the GM cabinet. Laser guided missiles ready to deploy on the motorway. Boom, problem solved.
tactcom7
11-09-12, 12:27 PM
Has anyone bothered to watch part 1 or did i miss that bit?
Wideboy
11-09-12, 12:31 PM
I watched it last night, its only 5 mins long and crap
tactcom7
11-09-12, 12:46 PM
Well if there's no rodney king style beatdown i'm not gonna bother watching it,
yorkie_chris
11-09-12, 12:57 PM
Won't link due to naughty words but try search youtube for "Chris Rock-Tips to not get beat up by the police"
tactcom7
11-09-12, 01:07 PM
is the first one - Don't be black?
Owenski
11-09-12, 01:27 PM
I can understand protesting a right to travel but doing it with an uninsured, untaxed and un-MOT'ed vehicle is a step too far.
There is another set of videos along the lines of "stop stopping my son"
It features a woman and her son been pulled over and he plays the freeman card but they declare the car as hers, they let him go every time but it always seems to be through not been bothered to pursue it rather than they couldnt.
widepants
11-09-12, 01:45 PM
anyone got a link for the 3rd one?
Isn't the Freman movement based around the Magna carta ?I thought all of its clauses had been removed . What part remains ?
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_England_and_Wales)
Fallout
11-09-12, 02:01 PM
Won't link due to naughty words but try search youtube for "Chris Rock-Tips to not get beat up by the police"
Classic. FBing that old skool genius.
Owenski
11-09-12, 02:29 PM
That just prompted me to spend nearly 2hrs on Chris Rock and Richard Pryor
Spank86
11-09-12, 02:46 PM
I think the argument is that the law doesnt include a definition of vehicle.
Unfortunately the word vehicle has a common definition and the law expects a reasonable person to know that.
Any definition has to include words, that doesn't mean those words have to be defined in law, that argument would wond up beign circular eg.
A vehicle is defined as a conveyance, a conveyance is defined as vehicle.
He'd probably then want a definition of "is".
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BanannaMan
12-09-12, 05:07 AM
Actually you do have the right to travel anywhere in the country at any time you like in a motor vehicle. As a passenger.
There a few more requirements to operate said vehicle.
I think the argument is that the law doesnt include a definition of vehicle.
Unfortunately the word vehicle has a common definition and the law expects a reasonable person to know that.
Any definition has to include words, that doesn't mean those words have to be defined in law, that argument would wond up beign circular eg.
A vehicle is defined as a conveyance, a conveyance is defined as vehicle.
He'd probably then want a definition of "is".
He'd probably then want a slap!
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