new iPhone today

[The Basket]

Let's see shall we.

I am thinking a Samsung Galaxy 3 for the apple fans.

Or a rewarm 4s.

[daveyrach]

Will be carp like the rest of the Iphones, Android and Samsung all the way.

[joshwalker094]

Fingers crossed :D

[Milky Bar Kid]

I nearly said - "I thought it was the 12th it was being launched"........

[TheRamJam]

I have an SIII that's rooted, I love it

Running Ice Cream Sandwhich
Android Version
4.0.4
Baseband Version
I9300XXLF2
Build
XXALF2

[Paul the 6th]

I have an SIII that's rooted, I love it


Does Ron know about this?

Keynote is at 6pm btw..

[m1tch_1987]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578602_10151016396322447_40383703_n.jpg

[Owenski]

I'm iPhone all the way, have often said "I can never imagine not owning an iphone" but the SIII is tempting.
This is because I do like my stuff to be compatible and now my laptops on its last legs (toshiba) im in the market for a new one but paying 4x the market equivalent for a macbook seems nuts. Furthered by my studies now been over means Im not so sure I need a full lap top, I'll only use it for browsing and connecting so I've been tempted to get a tablet. Meaning the ipad (compatible remember) but his poses a similar problem in that I cannot justify the cost.
Now Samsung have the NOTE which I've had a play with and tbh I cannot see a difference between that and the ipad so Im swung in favour of the cheaper NOTE. That would mean my next phone would be pushed towards the SIII, I've had a fettle and its a very nice phone.
That means Apple IMO HAVE TO GET THE iPhone 5 perfect!
If the i5 comes out and its everything apple say it should be then congratulations Apple I'll buy an iPad and you retain my custom, however if they get it wrong and I'm not happy then bye bye Apple, hello Samsung... and I bet they know I wont be the only one thinking it.

[Tom_the_great]

i have an s3 and chuffing love it i was totally a apple fan boy until the 4/s was exactly the same and it just seemed old hat !

long live samsung

[daveyrach]

I have an S2 and absolutely love that. Added to which the new Iphone 5 is supposed to have a different connector to every other Apple product all accessories you have will be useless unless you buy the adapter from Apple making said accessories more bulky I should imagine. I have several friends looking to ditch Apple, my sister is even trying to get out of her contract to get a Galaxy.

I do like reading about Apple and Samsung's squabbles on the new makes me chuckle.

And remember 40% of parts in the Iphone are made by Samsung! :D

[Stenno]

Unless the 5 is something special, I'm leaning towards Samsung this time around.

[daveyrach]

This is an interesting read:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19557497

[Owenski]

Good article, sort of echos tom, myself and stenno.

[pookie]

oh dear the cat is out of the bag and it doesnt look good.. I think innovation went with Steve Jobs. No nfc, smaller screen but new a6 cpu. Now if the battery life was 7 days it would be a game changer :)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19572820

Cant wait for samsung, google to do a music store and sort out contact less payment and withdrawals from cash point machines.

[daveyrach]

Mmmm, I'm not an apple fan but jeez, 0.5" bigger screen (still no where near as big as some) and faster processor....oh nearly forgot aluminium case woopy do. Thy boast about a panoramic camera mode, the Galaxy already has that!

Shame the OS looks exactly the same!

[Jackie_Black]

So its an updated version of my 3gs which is now three years old and has never missed a beat. Great i'll take it, never had any problems with it. Don't feel the need to hack it and steal other peoples music, movies or software as it's simply a phone and will work, great.

Am I missing the point? All of my music is on itunes now and it all works so i'll just upgrade. Probably even get some money back for the old phone too.

[pookie]

I think the updated version of the 3gs was the 4 :) .. says alot when the 3rd version is still only marginally better that the first and still charging top dollar and requires new accessories because they changed the charging port..

Gullible apple users...no way they just have deep pockets. ;)

[m1tch_1987]

I have looked at photos of the iPhone 5 on Apple, erm, it looks like an iPhone 4 but they have upgraded the processor to try and keep up with the competition, I don't get it. Its also rather funny how they are using the retina screen still as its built by Samsung, so its basically a smaller Samsung Galaxy S 3?

[Jackie_Black]

Gullible apple users...no way they just have deep pockets. ;)

Don't you think 3 years is a good innings for a phone though? I literally used to have about 9 - 13 months out of my old phones before they would fail. Apart from my motola brick but who wants a phone with 12 hrs standby time, lol. I think they are a canny product but apple have become victims of their own success now and will soon begin a sharp decline as you can't just keep put readily available tech in new boxes forever, even if it does last a long time.

In contrast to this I have a macbook pro and i'm not keen on that, but i got it for free.

[The Basket]

oh dear.

:smt015

[flymo]

All of my music is on itunes now and it all works so i'll just upgrade. Probably even get some money back for the old phone too.

And this is what the vast majority of the Apple iPhone user community will also do. Vendors such as Apple build a device/OS ecosystem that attracts people to stay.

[Jackie_Black]

Yeah but to be honest it works well enough, it's not perfect and the phones are expensive, there are better phones for less money although perhaps not as well put together. But the key point is as a phone it works and as a user experience its fine. No one really needs to hack them unless they feel the need to control/steal everything. Android is more customisable and you can really fiddle with it, and i'm a die hard techie so should have one, but i resist as i keep telling myself I just want the most solid platform that works and the I system is still it, for now!!

[Joe Marcon]

Iphone 5 released on 21st at 8am . For £529

[L3nny]

New smart phones are released every day. Why is it when apple release one everyone gets a boner. I just don't get it.

[L3nny]

Cant wait for samsung, google to do a music store

There is already an Amazon music app for android. It can't be any worse than iTunes.

[Jackie_Black]

Amazon will probably make the best one, although they don't seem bothered.

[AndyBrad]

Why don't they have the Google one in the UK?

Sent from my GT-I9300 using Tapatalk 2

[Brettus]

New smart phones are released every day. Why is it when apple release one everyone gets a boner. I just don't get it.

Apple seem to have a release schedule which fits better with the contract periods. the android/Windows phone market have a new latest and greatest device every 2-3 weeks, so users always feel like they are getting a raw deal being made to wait (IMHO of course)

I like the fact I don't want to wander into carphone warehouse to see what I'm missing out on anymore (yep I know that statement stinks of assimilation but it is true) I didn't want to like the iPhone when we were being made to try them at work, I took the mickey quite viciously out of my mate who tried it first and came back the next day liking it. I was won over by its simplicity (this was the 3G we got) I've had each successive upgrade since (thanks to a very generous employer) and each one has been worthwhile. Each one in turn HASN'T been worth upgrading for though but every other one HAS, which ties in neatly with 18/24 month contracts.

I'm not saying that other smart phones aren't as good (or better in some cases) but Apple do make a good case to customers to keep on their schedule. The phones last well (as attested by JB) and they aren't "constantly" being made to seem outdated by the rest of their product line.

Apple having complete end to end control of their hardware and software means that they have no competition in their own little walled garden. This could have the disadvantage of stifling adoption of innovation but there is enough visibility of the grass being greener on the other side of the wall that they do keep adding new features so users don't get a bad deal, people make more of a deal when they release something as you have no other choice if the apple ecosystem is what you want.

What I truly don't get is why it descends into an almost political level of animosity towards the others. Rather than extolling the benefits of your own particular choice, it's more about bad mouthing the opposition :confused:

I fall foul of this remark myself and I hate when I do it.

All choices are great for that particular user at that particular time based on all the factors, budget, feature requirements, peer pressures, contract length.... the list goes on. Enjoy what you have, big it up by all means but can we try and keep the bitching about others choices to ourselves? Maybe that's just my opinion though.

[Steve_God]

And this is what the vast majority of the Apple iPhone user community will also do. Vendors such as Apple build a device/OS ecosystem that attracts people to stay.

... and then milk money out of you forever more to stay in the Apple ecosystem, or make it hard for you to export your life out of it.

I'll give Apple it's dues, they make good quality products - But I'll stick with my far cheaper, bigger screen, quad-core processor, Android based HTC One X, that does exactly the same, if not more...

[daveyrach]

Apple seem to have a release schedule which fits better with the contract periods.

Rubbish

Contracts come up for renewal everyday, they my fit with your upgrade date but for example mine it doesn't, I already upgraded back in June so I'd have to wait 2 years before I could even think of getting it (I don't want it tho)

I don't think anyone is slating others choices just the fact that all the hype apple products seem to generate but they barely move forward at all, even the techies have said the Iphone 5 is a little disappointing. I can't see the huge difference between the 3G and the 5.

They boast a bigger screen my Galaxy screen is still 0.8" bigger (also the retina screen used by Apple is made by Samsung!). Camera now has Panorama mode, my Galaxy already has that, New Apple maps - I have Google maps. The only thing I can see is the faster A6 chip but I'm not entirely sure if this is faster than the dual core in the Galaxy's or not..

[timwilky]

OK, I admit it, I am in the soulkiss camp when it comes to expensive fruit. My workphone is a nokia phone, my personal phone is a HTC running gingerbread, my tablet is an asus tf300t running JellyBean.

I do not understand what is so good about i*, i like that I have my music collection of a 64Mb card in asus and a subset on my phone, I like that I can simply stick either device on the network and see my servers whether they be windows shares, NFS etc. I like that i can move my kindle books about between devices so easy.

I like that I can video talk over the net with the daughters and see where they are using lattitude etc. So why do people get so eat up about android? If my wife/kids can use it what is so techy with out the box.

[pookie]

psychologically conditioned that fruit and veg 5 times a day is good for them :) ..
err its a no brainer, there are some that seek out answers and those that like be told I guess. It'll all converge eventually and we'll be spending our dosh on something else other than new phones.

[Steve_God]

I do not understand what is so good about it

I can from a technical point of view...
iOS prioritises it's graphics processing over data processing, and the result is that it gives that 'slicker than slick' effect when using and navigating it, that Android devices don't yet have...

That said, the 4.1 Jellybean update for Android will now replicate this ability in the graphics processing, and should finally bring a level playing field to the smoothness of devices.
(Even though the quad-core devices like the HTC One X and Samsung Galaxy S3 are pretty close already on that front)

[Jackie_Black]

Rubbish
I don't think anyone is slating others choices just the fact that all the hype apple products seem to generate.

I think the media create all the hype, apple just drop the odd hint and the web goes wild. It's hardly surprising it is/was a company owned and ran by geeks. It's obvious the geeks will create positive and negative hype regarding everything apple do, they've now got too mainstream though, so it's going to become cool to hate them regardless of what they make. It's only a ****ing phone man, what was everyone expecting. It'll replace a worn out 3GS and do what it says on the tin. Androids are no doubt better now and just as simple, but they were nowhere when all this started and I and other IOS user probably can't be arsed to change. I dont buy a lot of apps particularly but I'm not buying them again or thieving them just to run android, and the S3 is all plastic and thats the main other choice for me.

[ClunkintheUK]

I like my iPhone. When I got it, it basically cost me nothing due to a couple of offers and needing to buy a new music player at the time, my mini disc player had just died. The only other smartphones at the time really were blackberries (and by smart phone I mean could read e-mail). If I were to change it would almost certainly be due to peer pressure that "Apple are a souless corporation that take money from suckers with more money than sense". Everytime it comes round to upgrade time i have a look at the others and now frankly can see virtually no practical difference between them. Yeah i might pay a little more, maybe 50 tops with various contract options and bargaining. But it would cost me more in re-buying my apps and time to swap everything round. All I need to do is plug it into my laptop for a bit while i am doing something else and hey presto. Plus my high scores are on my iPhone. If i were buying my first smart phone would i get an iPhone, possibly not.

Also what is the obsession with screen size? Big screen = doesn't fit in my jeans very easily.

[fizzwheel]

I think Apple have missed a trick here. Where the Iphone is concerned that have gone from innovators to sheep. Theres no new features there that really warrant the cost of upgrading because lets face it, it wont be cheap to upgrade to the Iphone 5.

As I read elsewhere. I bet Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave.

Its way way to conservative and smacks of Apple resting on their Laurels and past reputation. People will upgrade anyway because they have to have the latest product. Their choice.

I was considering an upgrade to the 5, but it looks expensive for not much benefit or new features. Whats new I dont really want or wont use.

I shall keep my trusty 3GS for a while and then wait for the prices on the Iphone 4S to drop and then bag myself a cheap upgrade.

The connector change on the 5 sucks and IMHO is a purely cynical opportunity to drive more sales by forcing people to buy new peripherals.

[Jackie_Black]

I'm actually getting my 3gs unlocked to go sim only onto vodafone. The 3GS will last longer, i've made my mind up!! They are all cack and overpriced. Sim only S3 is £400 hardly cheap is it! all as bad as each other, pirates.

[flymo]

if you want to go SIM only, take a look at giffgaff, its on the O2 network and very good value, I use on iPhone 4 for £10 per month, 250 mins, unlimited text and data. Free calls between giffgaff users too.

If you follow this link to get your free SIM then we both benefit;

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/rhiannon_elliott

[Jackie_Black]

I cant be on o2 anymore, it doesnt work at work and hasnt for 3 years, i've had enough. THey are reluctant to give me my pac code though!!

[Scythe92]

if you want to go SIM only, take a look at giffgaff, its on the O2 network and very good value, I use on iPhone 4 for £10 per month, 250 mins, unlimited text and data. Free calls between giffgaff users too.

If you follow this link to get your free SIM then we both benefit;

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/rhiannon_elliott

Giffgaff won't be supplying the nano SIMs for the iphone 5, can't use them or cut it down :(

[SoulKiss]

And this is what the vast majority of the Apple iPhone user community will also do. Vendors such as Apple build a device/OS ecosystem that attracts people to stay.

... and then milk money out of you forever more to stay in the Apple ecosystem, or make it hard for you to export your life out of it.

Its called "Vendor Lock In" (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=96432&highlight=vendor+lock) (is it really 5 years since I warned about that?)

I think Apple have missed a trick here. Where the Iphone is concerned that have gone from innovators to sheep. Theres no new features there that really warrant the cost of upgrading because lets face it, it wont be cheap to upgrade to the Iphone 5.

As I read elsewhere. I bet Steve Jobs is spinning in his grave.

Its way way to conservative and smacks of Apple resting on their Laurels and past reputation. People will upgrade anyway because they have to have the latest product. Their choice.

I was considering an upgrade to the 5, but it looks expensive for not much benefit or new features. Whats new I dont really want or wont use.

I shall keep my trusty 3GS for a while and then wait for the prices on the Iphone 4S to drop and then bag myself a cheap upgrade.

The connector change on the 5 sucks and IMHO is a purely cynical opportunity to drive more sales by forcing people to buy new peripherals.

You just described the iHerd of iSheep, who can't see the irony of "Think Different".

Well I already have my next phone picked out - its WAY out in front of the iPhone5 and due out around the same time.

A clue to what it is? "The names Kiss, SoulKiss" :p

[Spank86]

Actually I think the connector change is one of the few good things they're doing,

Assuming of course the new ones more robust than the old one as well as smaller.

[Spank86]

I cant be on o2 anymore, it doesnt work at work and hasnt for 3 years, i've had enough. THey are reluctant to give me my pac code though!!

Just ring them up and ask for it.

Any and all questions should be met with the answer, "no, I just want my PAC code".

[flymo]

Its called "Vendor Lock In" (http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=96432&highlight=vendor+lock) (is it really 5 years since I warned about that?)


And it isn't always a bad thing, just something that should be considered. There are advantages and disadvantages to a closed vendor ecosystem.

[Jackie_Black]

Just ring them up and ask for it.

Any and all questions should be met with the answer, "no, I just want my PAC code".

I finally got it, this thread has made me not want a new phone and so i will be going sim only on vodafone for £15 a month with everything i need and it will work at work, job jobbed.

[flymo]

Giffgaff won't be supplying the nano SIMs for the iphone 5, can't use them or cut it down :(

Yes they will, there is a ramp up time while they make the new SIMs available for use. Give it time, the final technical spec was only released in the past week and it takes time to bring these things to market.

It is actually possible to cut and shave SIMs to fit but I cant be ar$ed with all that.

[Owenski]

I'm disappointed, its not ground breaking its barely even competitive with the S3.
IMO all apple needed to do was look on google for all the hoax images and pic one out a million option which all showed better looking iphone5's than they've actually created.
Im a sucker for this brand lock in thats been described but thats mainly because I see the gains in it. Whats not so good for Apple however is that I'd not yet set my mind on a brand and this failure to amaze me has perhaps just cost them a few thousand of my pounds over the course of my life time.

[Paul the 6th]

Apple are getting ready to move into a hostile market position and re-brand under a kind of post apocalyptic survivor gadgets type theme.. All they're doing is luring you into thinking they're harmless with squeaky clean gadget design and slightly underwhelming updates in their kit.

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/188/a/2/Evil_Apple_by_rstovall.jpg

[The Basket]

The connector change is due to the thinner casing....they say.

The big problem is impact. The first iPhone was genuinely shattering. But others have caught up and the sheer jump which the original did is no longer possible.

The other issue is brand perception. If Motorola brought this phone out...it would be lucky to get a mention in a national newspaper but Apple are the new gods and this thing is the new ambrosia brought down from mount olympus by Zeus himself.

Only it is very ordinary and almost...dare I say....boring? When I read a review on an Apple product, it needs to be split in two. One reviewing the actual hardware and another reviewing the hype. I have nothing against the Apples and other God given products like BMW and such but it just gets my goat when people consider brand more important than fact.

[Jackie_Black]

I have nothing against the Apples and other God given products like BMW and such but it just gets my goat when people consider brand more important than fact.

What's wrong with BMW? They make good solid fast cars which are very good to drive if you can drive properly anyway. I don't think its fair to compare the two, now audi on he other hand or VW.

[flymo]

The fact that BMW has been replaced in the over hyped car brand by Audi is simply timing. Just as Apple have moved into top spot on certain product brands there were others there before it. Anybody remember the Motorola Razr craze. Everybody wanted one.

The iPhone is an amazing piece of engineering, from a simple functional consumer perspective it appears to just be the same as before, similar spec to other devices available. But inside you genuinely have a some amazing feats of technology innovation that make these features possible. I'm not for a second suggesting that other brands cannot achieve the same, but as we are talking about the iPhone here...

To be able to increase performance levels by the factors that have been achieved, yet still maintaining a light, thin compact device with better battery life is not a simple thing to do. Its very very difficult in fact.

Apple has to make its own decisions about what consumers want, what they are willing to pay for it, and how they go about producing a product offering to meet that demand. Nobody can deny that they are bloody good at that. Sure, if you fancy a Samsung instead then go get one, that's your choice. We can state all the technical spec top trumps figures we like, but the fact is that this device is an extremely popular consumer product and remains so. Every time they launch a new one, there are loads of people who tell the world how disappointed they are, how it doesnt meet their needs, how they will switch to another brand blah blah. Doesnt matter, they are selling like hot cakes and Apple know this.

Why not just accept it for what it is, make your choice based on what you want and decide where your money is going. Consumer demand will make the overall choice.

[The Basket]

What's wrong with BMW? They make good solid fast cars which are very good to drive if you can drive properly anyway. I don't think its fair to compare the two, now audi on he other hand or VW.

Oh my good God....

[The Basket]

Audi got the styling right on their cars and BMW got it wrong. I am not a German car fan but the Audi A5 coupe looks like an old American muscle car and it looks super. No point spending huge amounts of cash on a car unless it looks like a huge amount of cash of a car.

Part of its appeal.

All the fashionistas I know have iPhones. Having the debate of which does what and even what Android is no better than speaking poems to a horse.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Audi got the styling right on their cars and BMW got it wrong. I am not a German car fan but the Audi A5 coupe looks like an old American muscle car and it looks super. No point spending huge amounts of cash on a car unless it looks like a huge amount of cash of a car.

Part of its appeal.

All the fashionistas I know have iPhones. Having the debate of which does what and even what Android is no better than speaking poems to a horse.

Thats personal perspective though. I love pretty much all German cars, and drive a BMW. Mainly because it meets my need. And I do like the styling.

I tried Android, it was good. I then got an iphone. It was faster, less bugs, did the same but without so much footering as the Desire.

I don't buy into the "I've got loads of stuff on iTunes so I can't swap" excuse though. I've always had iPods so when I had my android device, I found an app where I could transfer my iTunes collection onto my phone and convert it to MP3 format. Bobs yer uncle. Job done.

[The Basket]

I am not a huge fan of HTC....my Motorola Defy and Samsung S3 are far better and android works a charm.

I haven't found HTC as reliable in my own personal experience so when the choice was One X or Galaxy S3 I went Samsung. Did I mention the new Lumia 920 from Nokia? Now I know gone too far.

I own a Kia. Surprisingly enough that does exactly what I want it to do too. It saves catching the bus.

[Kenzie]

I'm due an upgrade at the start of December. Was looking at the S2 as well but someone told me about the Sony Xperia T that is due out soon. Pretty much the same spec as the Samsung models but with a 13mp camera on it. Got a Nokia N8 at the mo so I guess anything will be an upgrade! Would have liked an iPhone but you can't put your own mark on them as easily. Plus the Samsung and Sony act as hotspots so I can use some of the apps on my iPod touch through that.

[The Basket]

The biggest deal is that the older spec iPhones suddenly become good value new.

A 4 or 4s can be had and that may be a decent route.

The battery life on my Galaxy S3 does take the urine though which is extremely annoying because otherwise it would be the greatest thing since sliced bread.

The choice is now wide and even a cheap phone can offer good value. The Huawei G300 costs only £100 and is chuffing astonishing for what it does. How the Chinese can do that is very very scary.

[Jackie_Black]

I'm not that keen on new BMW styling to be honest, but I loved my E39 and should never ever ever have got rid of it. They are a lot of car for the money, my 545 had 350hp did 0-60 in 5.5 seconds and cost 5k fully loaded with 60k on it. Even managed 20mpg round the doors.:D

[daveyrach]

De-railing a bit here aren't we? In my experience BMW's are rubbish (and if you watched Watchdog this week very easy to steal)

Audi look nicer

Funny thing though in the Whatcar reliability survey Audi, BMW and VW were in the bottom 5, the top 5 were all Japanese with the exception of Chevrolet would you believe.

[Jackie_Black]

We have a SEAT and a toyota at the moment. The toyota always just works, so that is for my wife as it gives me peace of mind that there'll be no car problems. I've just been offered an audi tt for my seat though so may go to the dark side.

[daveyrach]

SEAT is basically a VW with a different frock on. I.e Ibiza is a Golf underneath.

[Jackie_Black]

Yeah it is, lift the bonnet and there is only audi badges. Seats are a bit cheeky though, VW's aren't.

[L3nny]

SEAT is basically a VW with a different frock on. I.e Ibiza is a Golf underneath.

I think the Ibiza is a Polo underneath. The Leon is similar to the Golf.

I have voiced my opinion on German cars on here before and it upset people so I wont do it again.

I think the point that others are trying to make is that some people who buy the Iphone, BMW 3 series, Audi A3, Lacoste Polo shirt, Ray Ban sunglasses etc couldn't give a monkey's if it's any good or not. They are not buying a product, they have been led to believe by marketing types they are buying into a lifestyle. You can buy products that do exactly the same as the branded ones for less but some people will prefer to pay a premium because the most important thing to them is the brand and not the product.

[DaveRushton]

I think the Ibiza is a Polo underneath. The Leon is similar to the Golf.

I have voiced my opinion on German cars on here before and it upset people so I wont do it again.

I think the point that others are trying to make is that some people who buy the Iphone, BMW 3 series, Audi A3, Lacoste Polo shirt, Ray Ban sunglasses etc couldn't give a monkey's if it's any good or not. They are not buying a product, they have been led to believe by marketing types they are buying into a lifestyle. You can buy products that do exactly the same as the branded ones for less but some people will prefer to pay a premium because the most important thing to them is the brand and not the product.


Ive got ray bans and pre ordered the phone :)

[-Ralph-]

Seat and Toyota here too. Seat Ibiza is indeed a Polo, as is the Skoda Fabia.

The Seat is 9 1/2 years old and we've owned it since nearly new (3 months 1000 miles ex demo car). It has never once let us down, failed to start, cost us any money in repairs, or failed an MOT in nine years, drives like new and is even still on the original battery. It has been flawless and I'll be very sorry to see it go next year.

Are there any BMW owners on here that can say the same (9 years!) ?

Toyota get a bad reputation for being boring, because they've made some boring cars in the past, like the article mentions a Camry. How long is it since Toyota made a Camry?!?! They still make some boring cars, but so does almost every manufacturer. A bog standard rep mobile BMW 3 series is really boring. Talk about Toyota and this image comes to mind, but that image just seems to forget the existance of Celicas, MR2's, etc. See where I'm going with this? Brand and image doesn't translate to reality and never has.

If you want to see the reality of what a quality car is, look at customer satisfaction surveys (such as JD Power) and reliability surveys (such as What Car). The Japanese win year after year after year! And guess who is closely trsiling the Japanese now? The Koreans with Hyundai and Kia. I'm pretty sure they've been buying Toyotas and Hondas to take them apart. The germans in those surveys, Merc have done well in recent years, but BMW and Audi are mid or bottom half of the pack. They trade on image, they don't as a rule produce a higher quality product. The bottom line is they dont need to as people will buy into the brand.

Is this post a derail? No, its just in support of the person who made the analogy between BMW or Audi, and Apple. They hit the nail on the head.

Posted from my Samsung Galaxy S2, whilst sitting in my Toyota Avensis!

[-Ralph-]

PS: I just wish my wife could see a genuine quality product and not be blinded by image along with the rest of the sheep in the herd. To replace the Ibiza, she wants a Mini Cooper S Convertable. I'm not looking forward to the regular visits to arrogant dealers, sky high repair bills, and general level of dissatisfaction I used to experience when I last owned a BMW.

[Jackie_Black]

I never use main dealers for service. For bikes or cars. Always find a decent indie and services cost the same as other cars.

[The Basket]

Quite so.

My lady friend wants an iPhone and fair play to her. Not the 5 but a 4 or 4s whatever is best value.

I got the galaxy but she wants an iPhone and I say don't deny what you want as it will be no gravy if it goes wrong. She has been sticked with a HTC incredible S which hasn't been super.

Kia is good because it's a shopping trolley. And I have no problem with that.

And if it turns out to be a reliable shopping trolley then super. Not pretending anything.

[-Ralph-]

Not pretending anything.

If it's a fairly new one you don't need to, you've got a damn good car, and a 7 year warranty to boot.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Yeh from what I've heard the modern Kia's are cracking little motors!

[monkey]

...If you follow this link to get your free SIM then we both benefit;

http://giffgaff.com/orders/affiliate/rhiannon_elliott

Is it a rolling monthly contract?

[daveyrach]

Basically of u don't add your 'goodybag' monthly you dnt get ur allowances.

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[monkey]

I dont know of that answer was to me but if so I meant is the contract on a monthly basis or do you have to sign up for a period of 12, 18 or 24 months (for example)

[daveyrach]

Its a monthly thing, if you look on their site they do goodybags with different allowances. Basically its a PAYG sim but you get allowances rather than actual monetary credit, if you don;t top up you have no allowances but there are no penalties for not topping up at the end of the month.

[flymo]

its a no commitment monthly purchase, it is not a contract with any form of lock in.

[monkey]

Lovely. Thanks.

[Swin]

Got a Galaxy Note a few months ago and I am loving it more all the time, the only thing is my bike jackets pockets only just accommodate the thing!

[flymo]

I have an iPhone 5 on the way for review (that's what I do for a living) so I'll share experiences one I have my grubby hands on it.

[The Basket]

That's a cool job

My partner is getting iPhone 4s 16gb on 02 through tesco so all good. She asked about her iTunes account and I'm like how the hell would I know!