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gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 08:26 AM
If anyone finds it, could you please pass it around to those who are in need....see here:-
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=184297
I am sorry, I very rarely get angry at anything on this forum, I very rarely care enough about petty squabbles to feel anything at all, but the views expressed by a couple of individuals in the above thread have really got my blood boiling.
Yes, this was a post put up in idle banter where there is a general freedom to discuss and debate. However, I find it abhorrent that any individual would interrupt a thread clearly titled as being a place reserved for the paying of respect to the fallen; to share personal views. It is in fact very disrespectful.
Leave America out of it...this was a tragedy felt around the world.
Leave other tragedies out of it...FFS, the singling out of one event on its anniversary does not in any way detract from the respect given to anyone else who has lost their life in any other event...to think otherwise is narrow minded and immature.
If we, as adults feel that it is appropriate and justifiable to make personal opinions heard in a time or place of the peaceful paying of respects, then what bleedin' hope is there for the future generations who will learn from that?
This is not a place for the peaceful paying of respects for any fallen. This is a place where you can all make your opinions loud and clear.
Am I alone in thinking that it is utterly disgraceful to interrupt a place of respect in order to share personal opposing views?
Fallout
12-09-12, 08:45 AM
Totally agree Grunty. Personally, it's not something I have any interest in, so I just refrained from reading or posting. I didn't see anything for 9/11 on the news at all this year though, so I didn't feel like it was over blown. I had a quick look at the thread now though in light of your comments and I can understand the frustration some people may feel, but agree in a thread where people are paying respects, that is not the place to air them.
Would you be upset if someone started separate thread on the same day to whine though? Just interested.
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 09:00 AM
Totally agree Grunty. Personally, it's not something I have any interest in, so I just refrained from reading or posting. I didn't see anything for 9/11 on the news at all this year though, so I didn't feel like it was over blown. I had a quick look at the thread now though in light of your comments and I can understand the frustration some people may feel, but agree in a thread where people are paying respects, that is not the place to air them.
Would you be upset if someone started separate thread on the same day to whine though? Just interested.
It's not the same day and no...I would just be grateful it was kept out of the original thread.
None of us can censor others, none of us have the right to judge the views and opinions of others.
What we can do though is expect a little common courtesy.
I don't whine...I never have and my history on this forum is proof enough of that. I simply hope that we can all show a little restraint before sharing our opinions in place reserved for the showing of respect.
missyburd
12-09-12, 09:11 AM
To be honest, another thread should have been started to discuss people's opinions on 9/11 and not to disrupt the original point of the respect thread. Those who have objected to the giving of respect, how do they know there are not people directly affected by the disaster who have signed into the .org to find a slanging match in place of something that could have been a reassuring comfort.
Milky Bar Kid
12-09-12, 09:19 AM
It's not the same day and no...I would just be grateful it was kept out of the original thread.
None of us can censor others, none of us have the right to judge the views and opinions of others.
What we can do though is expect a little common courtesy.
I don't whine...I never have and my history on this forum is proof enough of that. I simply hope that we can all show a little restraint before sharing our opinions in place reserved for the showing of respect.
Don't think he was calling you a whine, think he was meaning if people who didn't agree with the respect thread had started a new thread....
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 09:24 AM
Don't think he was calling you a whine, think he was meaning if people who didn't agree with the respect thread had started a new thread....
You're probably right...I am just in one of those moods :rolleyes:
Fallout
12-09-12, 09:28 AM
Don't think he was calling you a whine, think he was meaning if people who didn't agree with the respect thread had started a new thread....
Yep, I was asking if you thought it'd be ok for other people to whine (should've said discuss!) in a separate thread at the same time. Wasn't accusing you of being a whiner! ;)
Milky Bar Kid
12-09-12, 09:29 AM
To be fair, I wouldn't have been annoyed quite so much if the respect-paying hadn't been labelled as guff. That was plain rude.
I can fully understand why someone people have the opinion that they do but it doesn't mean they're right and I'm wrong and vice versa, it just means we have different opinions.
Dicky Ticker
12-09-12, 09:39 AM
What is past is gone and can not be changed I personally prefer to look forward than backwards in life and keep thoughts of the past to myself.
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 09:44 AM
Yes fallout...to stop peoples choice to debate would be wrong...I don't think any of us have the right to stop people expressing their opinions. I just think it is common courtesy to find or create the suitable place for that to happen.
Apologies for the misunderstanding :-)
Small Clanger...I am about to make cakes so I may have to pinch some for myself ;-)
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 09:52 AM
make cake not war.
:-)
Owenski
12-09-12, 09:53 AM
Sad fact of a forum, some folk have to say their bit and too easily hit the "send" button. Its not that they wouldn't say the same thing to your face, some of them would but it's always accompanied by expression and context which makes a huge difference.
When there is a time and a place for something, in equal measure you find there are topics which have no place and should never be muttered to company even if you let them bounce around your head for a while.
I understand that bringing opinions which are contradictory to others posted is what a forum is about, this isn't a dictatorship its a community. However it speaks volumes about a persons persona that they feel it worthy to slander a thread on a topic as sensitive as remembrance.
I too think that 9/11 has had more than enough air time, it hasn't been laid to rest and we've not been given any other option than to remember it. HOWEVER I'm not hostile about the media coverage nor the documentaries which have popped up this time of year for the last decade, they're relevant and they're powerful.
Anyone who can be resentful of remembrance needs to have a serious word with themselves, we've all lost people we care about and to cast our mind back is not only human but its natural. FFS even wild animals mourn the loss of their dearest. To be sympathetic to another's loss even if its not our own is where common courtesy comes into it and if that's not a trait you posses then I do not want to be associated with you.
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 09:57 AM
Sad fact of a forum, some folk have to say their bit and too easily hit the "send" button. Its not that they wouldn't say the same thing to your face, some of them would but it's always accompanied by expression and context which makes a huge difference.
When there is a time and a place for something, in equal measure you find there are topics which have no place and should never be muttered to company even if you let them bounce around your head for a while.
I understand that bringing opinions which are contradictory to others posted is what a forum is about, this isn't a dictatorship its a community. However it speaks volumes about a persons persona that they feel it worthy to slander a thread on a topic as sensitive as remembrance.
I too think that 9/11 has had more than enough air time, it hasn't been laid to rest and we've not been given any other option than to remember it. HOWEVER I'm not hostile about the media coverage nor the documentaries which have popped up this time of year for the last decade, they're relevant and they're powerful.
Anyone who can be resentful of remembrance needs to have a serious word with themselves, we've all lost people we care about and to cast our mind back is not only human but its natural. FFS even wild animals mourn the loss of their dearest. To be sympathetic to another's loss even if its not our own is where common courtesy comes into it and if that's not a trait you posses then I do not want to be associated with you.
I just looked for the, "like" button.
Very eloquent.
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 10:04 AM
Especially smiley cakes like Geodude's. :D
I'm working up the dale, freezing cold, drizzling, could do with some coffee and cakes.
Have one of these...
http://i291.photobucket.com/albums/ll318/gruntygiggles/GGs%20Crazy%20Cakes/IMAG0659.jpg
I'm only putting this as a reminder, not as a dig at anyone or anything...
if someone really doesn't like a post that someone has made, or thinks it's unnacceptable or breaks the rules, a really good way to get it discussed by the Mods is to press the Report button.
Sometimes it's difficult to know whether it's you as an individual that doesn't like a post or whether it's a common dislike across many people. So if, a post is reported by many, it shows the team more clearly what the strength of feeling is.
I do mean this as trying to be helpful
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 12:07 PM
I'm only putting this as a reminder, not as a dig at anyone or anything...
if someone really doesn't like a post that someone has made, or thinks it's unnacceptable or breaks the rules, a really good way to get it discussed by the Mods is to press the Report button.
Sometimes it's difficult to know whether it's you as an individual that doesn't like a post or whether it's a common dislike across many people. So if, a post is reported by many, it shows the team more clearly what the strength of feeling is.
I do mean this as trying to be helpful
It would indeed be very helpful Messie if I wanted to report anything to the mods. This thread instead is a general plea for everyone to remember that whilst this is an open and public forum and that it is in idle banter...it doesn't excuse the lack of common courtesy.
My reason for posting a thread about this and not reporting it is that whilst it was motivated by the thread mentioned, it is aimed at all, not individuals.
Hope that clears that up :-)
Yes I do see that. Reporting is just an additional tool, is all I mean
eeerrrmmm i don't have a 'report' button on the interface i'm using.. where is it?
i'm still on the blue and white...
fizzwheel
12-09-12, 12:26 PM
i'm still on the blue and white...
Thats probably why, I know that TSM was eventually going to withdraw some of the functionality or stop supporting the older forum themes.
Which one exactly are you using ?
Wideboy
12-09-12, 12:28 PM
I'm on the original theme, I can see the report button, its the red and white exclamation sign under the user avatar on the post.
I often report fizz's posts for being oppressive
;)
yes i have just been told where it is.. never even gave it a second thought about what that was and have always been looking for a button next to the Quote one. think i have been told this before and forgot so will more than likely forget again. mind you i never feel the need to report anyone.
but now that i know where it is i might just use it :-)
I think that this is probably the same point that has been made above.
The threads on this forum, bearing in mind it is an open forum, contain a certain etiquette amongst the users, those coming onto the forum may not always know that whilst debate is welcome if you enter someone else thread of respect and start to disrespect others opinions it isn’t going to go down to well. The same way if you were to enter someone else´s conversation in the pub and start to argue that they were all talking guff perhaps wouldn’t make you any friends.
I think that the person in question was suggesting perhaps media over coverage on one single event, which can overshadow other atrocities that have happened in history, and whilst this may be a fair point, the media is only covering that which they know is a selling point to the mass audience. Sadly your initial point may have been lost or seen as disrespecting others in the thread when others opinions were ridiculed.
I happen to agree that there at times media coverage given to certain stories as priorities whilst arguably there are bigger events happening in the world at that current time.
I think the UK sometimes down play the catastrophes that have occurred in our recent past in comparison to the events of 9/11; not because they weren´t equally devastating or destructive, but because that is culturally the "British" thing to do. USA is a little bit more flamboyant with their media coverage of events.
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ClunkintheUK
12-09-12, 02:52 PM
It would indeed be very helpful Messie if I wanted to report anything to the mods. This thread instead is a general plea for everyone to remember that whilst this is an open and public forum and that it is in idle banter...it doesn't excuse the lack of common courtesy.
My reason for posting a thread about this and not reporting it is that whilst it was motivated by the thread mentioned, it is aimed at all, not individuals.
Hope that clears that up :-)
"...But laws alone cannot secure freedom of expression; in order that every man may present his views without penalty there must be a spirit of tolerance in the entire population."
This was said by Einstein of scientific discourse, but I have always thought it very true of Freedom of Speech in general, whether it is in reply or acceptance of view, or in making the view.
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 03:16 PM
"...But laws alone cannot secure freedom of expression; in order that every man may present his views without penalty there must be a spirit of tolerance in the entire population."
This was said by Einstein of scientific discourse, but I have always thought it very true of Freedom of Speech in general, whether it is in reply or acceptance of view, or in making the view.
Tolerance is indeed needed. I will tolerate an awful lot of things...but I will not tolerate a lack of tolerance. So if people tolerate the desire of one man to post a thread of respect and the wishes of others to share their respect within that thread...and I will tolerate your right to express your views in a respectful and courteous manner...by doing it elsewhere.
I absolutely believe that the coverage can be OTT. I get sick of the constant documentaries on Princess Diana every year and I am always saddened when foreign atrocities are pushed to the side in order for some two bit wannabe celebrity to make front page because of a bust up with another two bit celebrity.
It sickens me. However...I will not taint the paying of respect to anyone who has lost life, through any reason by making my opinions heard in a place set aside for that sole purpose.
Spank86
12-09-12, 03:22 PM
.but I will not tolerate a lack of tolerance.
Doesn't that get a bit recursive?
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 03:31 PM
Doesn't that get a bit recursive?
It can.
However, I do not like the paying of respect to the fallen being tarnished by a selfish desire to share ones opinions and criticise the motive.
ClunkintheUK
12-09-12, 03:32 PM
Sorry Grunty, my comment was actually meant as agreement with your original post, and the general theme of the thread.
I just have the eloquence of a dyslexic wombat (actually hence the nickname/screenname, if anyone remembers "catch that pidgeon" and the engineer in that.)
Spank86
12-09-12, 03:35 PM
I only remember long distance Clara.
Probably because it sounds a bit dirty.
@GG: just taking the mickey. ;)
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 03:37 PM
Sorry Grunty, my comment was actually meant as agreement with your original post, and the general theme of the thread.
I just have the eloquence of a dyslexic wombat (actually hence the nickname/screenname, if anyone remembers "catch that pidgeon" and the engineer in that.)
Haha, that made me giggle.
I am just annoyed at the disrespect shown in that thread so ignore me. I thought the same as you when I wrote that, but hey...if we all tolerate everything, where the hell would we be now...I shudder to think.
Every time I see your username I have to re-read it, lol
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 03:39 PM
I think I need a brew and some cake :-)
davepreston
12-09-12, 03:44 PM
well young lady, i would advise you retire to your domain, that of all woman ,where in you prepare nurishmnt for your men folk for there arrival home
courtious enough for you darling ;)
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 03:46 PM
well young lady, i would advise you retire to your domain, that of all woman ,where in you prepare nurishmnt for your men folk for there arrival home
courtious enough for you darling ;)
Indeed dear...I actually just got off the phone with Stretchie as I was asking if he wanted pasta for dinner, so I am clearly being good and dutiful :-)
minimorecambe
12-09-12, 03:48 PM
I think I need a brew and some cake :-)
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g137/littlehelen_2006/10489_10152102756980455_744761549_n.jpg
;)
ClunkintheUK
12-09-12, 03:59 PM
:offtopic:Sorry its off topic, but there have been some pictures of soem mighty good looking cupcakes on the forum today. Makes up for Jayne's cupcaking yesterday.
people are like Bassetts liquorish it comes in allsorts.
respect, disrespect personally i don't care. everyone has their views no matter what the subject is and i hope that people continue to express their views.
would you still feel the same urge to respect the fallen if you found out that one of them was an arms dealer, slave trader, child molester or wife beater?
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 04:15 PM
people are like Bassetts liquorish it comes in allsorts.
respect, disrespect personally i don't care. everyone has their views no matter what the subject is and i hope that people continue to express their views.
would you still feel the same urge to respect the fallen if you found out that one of them was an arms dealer, slave trader, child molester or wife beater?
But I don't know that, so I am not going to refrain from generally paying respects to all.
I too hope people continue to express their views...hence this thread being a perfect place to do so :-)
gruntygiggles
12-09-12, 04:16 PM
:offtopic:Sorry its off topic, but there have been some pictures of soem mighty good looking cupcakes on the forum today. Makes up for Jayne's cupcaking yesterday.
Helen has not only got the bug, but well and truly eaten it up and made it her own...fantastic effort hun.
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