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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-york-north-yorkshire-19652632
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 09:34 AM
We should all be thankful we've got such patronising w*nkers to state the bleedin' obvious...
"nsp Dave Brown said: "Wisniewski should be thankful that he is still here to face a ban and a community order."
Oh and thankful for all those sneakily hidden cameras on roads that are otherwise devoid of hazard...
Really keeping us safe there, kn8bbers.
Very ott punishment me thinks.
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 09:47 AM
Very ott punishment me thinks.
admitted dangerous driving.
There is mistake.
Methinks they would not prove or attempt DD if you had said you were in full control at all times in a safe environment and not endangering others... but I dunno.
Sentences for driving offences are mental, you get less than that for stabbing someones gran for her pension book.
Yep always best to get advice before hand.
But never admit dangerous or careless.
Owenski
20-09-12, 10:12 AM
Rofl, I know the exact spot where he's done that its outside the best western Milford, which in turn is no more than half a mile from Squires Cafe which for those who dont know is where the regional willy wavers meet up to talk about how much more like Rossi they are than anyone else there. A fantastic place to go if you want to get killed or arrested, that is if you're retarded enough to pull any s**t within 5miles of the place.
An area littered with lay-bys and police traps which if you're a decent enough rider you can usually spot with plenty of time to slow down an wave an apology, surprisingly though for someone intending on hitting 3 figures this guy must have crappy observation as the police car must (based on the footage) be parked in the entrance to an old garage next to the best western which would mean the entire front half of the police car will have been exposed.
This nugget did this wheelie as a big F__k you to the plod... he's dumb enough to deserve what he got.
Still 3 pts and a slap is all its worth. Imo.
This nugget did this wheelie as a big F__k you to the plod... he's dumb enough to deserve what he got.
Unfortunately not.
I've bumped onto a thread on this on another forum with the culprit on there, and he had no clue about the plod hiding behind a hedge.
There's a Blade for sale in Leeds if anyone wants it :lol:
Joe Marcon
20-09-12, 10:44 AM
I hardley find that dangerous tbh . My mate does them at 150mph and hes safe at doing it . No one cant do **** these days
Owenski
20-09-12, 11:01 AM
He had no idea they were there??? FFS thats not helping his case at all is it lol. Poor dude he can ride the **** outta his bike but he's not the smartest cookie in the jar is he.
Because Im bored I'll go all Columbo on this an show you these pictures lol.
This is the entrance to the garage where the police car will have been (and often are) positioned, note the telegraph pole to the left of the image no visual obstructions are between that and the front of the footpath because the entrance into the best western has a slip road giving full visibility back down to the roundabout.
http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11549&stc=1&d=1348138095
A plan of where the police car will have been in relation to the round about:
http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11548&stc=1&d=1348138094
IMO any rider should have given some notice to the entrances/exit to the hotel, in which case they would look directly towards the police car even if only for a moment. So it was there for him to see but his observations let him down... not the sort of failure to observe you should be making a habit of if you get your kicks doing +100mph wheelies.
Another observation of mine is the sweep of the police camera, he's filming the bike before the bike reaches the car then sweeps all the way round to the left and sights the rider a long way down the A63, another suggestion that the police officer (some 3feet behind the front of his bonnet) is positioned so that he can turn a full 90 without loosing sight of the rider and therefore must be further forward than the wall/fencing surrounding the garage.
Im not saying the police Havant been harsh, I agree with YC the sentencing is far from fair where traffic convictions are concerned but if you're going to do stuff like this, you haven't got a leg to stand on if your defence is "I know what was around me and it was safe to execute"... yet you failed to notice a batten burg and chevron marked police car parked less than 20ft from where you started the stunt.
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 11:03 AM
To be fair in terms of sheer physics it doesn't make a jot of difference to your safety what's behind you unless you're doing this down the runway of leeds bradford...
Would plod be stood with this sort of camera? Looks more like footage from a scamera van.
Owenski
20-09-12, 11:08 AM
A van's even worse, how the hell do you not see a van?
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 11:10 AM
Joe lives near there, maybe he's heard if the van is fully battenburg'd up or if they're sneaky about it?
Owenski
20-09-12, 11:18 AM
I've seen the volvo there, I've seen a van parked further down the road on some chevrons just before the bridge. They're there all times of the day, more so towards the end of the month if you know what I mean lol.
The Chevrons further up the A63 towards the M1 are where they like to set up to wave you in to ask how long its been since your baffle fell out and measure your number plate.
Joe Marcon
20-09-12, 11:23 AM
He had no idea they were there??? FFS thats not helping his case at all is it lol. Poor dude he can ride the **** outta his bike but he's not the smartest cookie in the jar is he.
Because Im bored I'll go all Columbo on this an show you these pictures lol.
This is the entrance to the garage where the police car will have been (and often are) positioned, note the telegraph pole to the left of the image no visual obstructions are between that and the front of the footpath because the entrance into the best western has a slip road giving full visibility back down to the roundabout.
http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11549&stc=1&d=1348138095
A plan of where the police car will have been in relation to the round about:
http://forums.sv650.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11548&stc=1&d=1348138094
IMO any rider should have given some notice to the entrances/exit to the hotel, in which case they would look directly towards the police car even if only for a moment. So it was there for him to see but his observations let him down... not the sort of failure to observe you should be making a habit of if you get your kicks doing +100mph wheelies.
Another observation of mine is the sweep of the police camera, he's filming the bike before the bike reaches the car then sweeps all the way round to the left and sights the rider a long way down the A63, another suggestion that the police officer (some 3feet behind the front of his bonnet) is positioned so that he can turn a full 90 without loosing sight of the rider and therefore must be further forward than the wall/fencing surrounding the garage.
Im not saying the police Havant been harsh, I agree with YC the sentencing is far from fair where traffic convictions are concerned but if you're going to do stuff like this, you haven't got a leg to stand on if your defence is "I know what was around me and it was safe to execute"... yet you failed to notice a batten burg and chevron marked police car parked less than 20ft from where you started the stunt.
Theres normally a silver camera van too, caught plenty of people . My mate got caught 95 on there .
Owenski
20-09-12, 11:32 AM
Yeah thats true, I've seen the Silver one too.
In fact Tom and I saw it on our last Rufforth outing, its still got the camera signs attached to it though as well as the other signs placed down the road.
Joe Marcon
20-09-12, 11:35 AM
Joe lives near there, maybe he's heard if the van is fully battenburg'd up or if they're sneaky about it?
Yes there is a silver fiat van , has a grey north yorkshire badge on side , it is park after hotel, next to the gypsy camp, his van faces down the a1, so it is aimed at bikers . At the back window is a massive camera hanging out . My mate got caught doing 95 . And plenty of others got banned that day . No one saw it . But a friend of mine showed me it before i went passed and he was there . Next time i'll get a photo of it . I have never seen police there, just this silver van
He had no idea they were there??? FFS thats not helping his case at all is it lol. Poor dude he can ride the **** outta his bike but he's not the smartest cookie in the jar is he.
No he doesn't sound like one, apparently was checking his mirrors before poping the wheelie, hence failed to spot the van.
I don't know where that is nor do I think I'll ever will be there, but from the above does it sound impossible to miss it?
Im not saying the police Havant been harsh, I agree with YC the sentencing is far from fair where traffic convictions are concerned but if you're going to do stuff like this, you haven't got a leg to stand on if your defence is "I know what was around me and it was safe to execute"... yet you failed to notice a batten burg and chevron marked police car parked less than 20ft from where you started the stunt.
Actually, yes, and that seems to be what he's thinking at the moment as well. Glad not to be in jail as it's what the prosecutors wanted, and looking forward to a year with a bus pass. Not.
So if you give the benefit its not obvious .
Do you think its overly dangerous.
Think of what people who kill others on accidents are punished.
Unfairly punished ?
Looks a nice polished maneuver to me.
One of the comments on sky:
great skill, good execution, good mechanical sympathy on the front end when landing, good use of correct protective gear, poor choice of photographer
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 11:50 AM
No he doesn't sound like one, apparently was checking his mirrors before poping the wheelie, hence failed to spot the van.
I don't know where that is nor do I think I'll ever will be there, but from the above does it sound impossible to miss it?
A plain silver van?
TBH you'd discount that from a POV of safety if it was stood up parked and not an immediate hazard. So wouldn't hurt your DD defence that you hadn't seen it.
Dunno how Chris, excitement or whatever - it happened.
I really doubt this was done on purpose.
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 11:56 AM
you haven't got a leg to stand on if your defence is "I know what was around me and it was safe to execute"... yet you failed to notice a batten burg and chevron marked police car
Dunno how Chris, excitement or whatever - it happened.
I really doubt this was done on purpose.
It was more in response to the above that you could still deny dangerous driving without them saying "if you knew what you were doing we wouldn't have caught you" basically!
Nobody gets caught on purpose :-P
Owenski
20-09-12, 11:58 AM
You'll have passed within about a mile of its location on your way to AR11 but yeah its not likely you'd be heading past it for any other reason than if you're local traffic.
From the exit of the round about you've got about 200m of clear unobstructed flat highway where I'd assume he'd be doing legal(ish) speeds up to where he lifted the front. Going back to what YC said, if the guy was thinking of hitting 3 figures and lifting the front why the hell would he be so concerned with what was going on behind him? Unless ironically he had just passed a patrol car and this was his victory celebration at having not been chased lol.
Owenski
20-09-12, 12:00 PM
It was more in response to the above that you could still deny dangerous driving without them saying "if you knew what you were doing we wouldn't have caught you" basically!
Nobody gets caught on purpose :-P
Lol so you'd use common sense as your alibi?
why the hell would he be so concerned with what was going on behind him?
Police patrol car?
Owenski
20-09-12, 12:31 PM
yeah that's why I put "Unless ironically he had just passed a patrol car and this was his victory celebration at having not been chased"
Still though, if a camera van is around you usually get a good indication by all other traffic slowing down to below the limit. We've all seen the ribbon of break lights as people spot them parked up. The points mute though, if he didn't notice it he didn't notice it and he proved that he was capable of pulling the stunt off safely by doing so.
Normally I'd say "unlucky mate, sneaky plod waiting to catch us none criminals just enjoying the roads" but purely because I know the location reasonably well I sit in the "if you're dumb enough to do it, you deserve to be caught"
So if you give the benefit its not obvious .
Do you think its overly dangerous.
He nailed it - clear lane of highway great visibility the execution was faultless, but yeah its still dangerous you only need to type wheelie in to youtube to see when they go wrong it usually ends up hurting lol.
Think of what people who kill others on accidents are punished. Unfairly punished?
He wouldnt have deserved jail thats for sure, I think the community service is harsh but the rest seems par for the course on these sorts of things but not as YC said when you compare it to other far worse crimes.
Jayneflakes
20-09-12, 03:05 PM
you get less than that for stabbing someones gran for her pension book.
I dare not ask how you know that! :smt081
What is the current speed record for a wheelie, stands at about 170MPH or there abouts is it not? So 103MPH is perfectly safe! Damn Nanny state. :D
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 03:06 PM
I dare not ask how you know that! :smt081
What is the current speed record for a wheelie, stands at about 170MPH or there abouts is it not? So 103MPH is perfectly safe! Damn Nanny state. :D
It's above 180 AFAIK :)
Owenski
20-09-12, 03:22 PM
Joes mate needs to get onto Guinness if he's pulling 150mph ones out the bag for fun then.
andrewsmith
20-09-12, 03:30 PM
It's above 180 AFAIK :)
183.5 mph over the Elvington 1km to my knowledge.
If its the bit I'm thinking of they're normally in full view like owenski said and a 180 pan means he camera is more or less in the road
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 03:39 PM
When are you down near Leeds?
Look at vid... there is no 180 pan on that camera, it is 2 separate cameras, a poor CCTV style one looking sideways and the one hanging out the back of the van.
andrewsmith
20-09-12, 03:44 PM
When are you down near Leeds?
Look at vid... there is no 180 pan on that camera, it is 2 separate cameras, a poor CCTV style one looking sideways and the one hanging out the back of the van.
Once in a blue moon mate
This bloody internet connection, I watched it on my lunch and it stuttered through the first section and looked like one cam. Stand corrected
Have a look at the video on here
http://www.northyorkshire.police.uk/index.aspx?articleid=9454
Read the comments at the end.
"It's a fact that speed kills, no if's no buts"
How about, it's a fact that speed kills (if you crash into something, but on a clear dual carriageway in perfect conditions on a bike with excellent brakes such as a Fireblade, 103 mph is no more dangerous than knitting, hell on a Fireblade you are barely into second gear)
EssexDave
20-09-12, 05:13 PM
Wasn't it proved at some time that excessive speed did not necessarily point to dangerous driving - it was likely to influence whether something was actually dangerous (e.g. 103mph in a 30mph zone past a school is dangerous because you'd never be able to see, and react to problems) whereas, in a 60/70mph zone, generally they are much more open so you can observe more, and you have the ability to swerve/brake over much larger distances meaning you are less likely to have an accident.
Dangerous driving is surely when you act in such a way that you are unable to react to a likely event occuring - e.g. car pulling out/something around you making you take avoiding action and if you can do that then it shouldn't be dangerous.
Whether a wheelie is really safe? Well, the issue is you've straight away given up your right to argue you're in full control of the vehicle. No matter how good you are, you are unable to use the front brake and you cannot steer. So whilst, in essence I agree that he did not pose a huge risk to anyone, that's by the by and he was not in full control of the vehicle. We all know wheelie-ing is against the law so I'd have to agree with Owenksi.
Bluepete
20-09-12, 05:37 PM
Wheelies are generally seen as dangerous driving. The reason being that having your front wheel off the ground stops you steering and stopping in response to changes in front of you.
It's been tested many times at court and it's very rare that the court acquits, especially with video evidence.
I do wonder why Cops give quotes in cases like this. They never sound very good do then?
Pete ;)
Spank86
20-09-12, 05:39 PM
I hardley find that dangerous tbh . My mate does them at 150mph and hes safe at doing it . No one cant do **** these days
Perhaps because it increases your stopping distance massively.
Just because your mate hasn't had an accident doesn't make him safe.
With regard to speed killing, it's actually Electromagnetic force that does that.
Speed alone never killed anything and it's relative anyway.
I hardley find that dangerous tbh . My mate does them at 150mph and hes safe at doing it . No one cant do **** these days
150 Miles per Hour = 67.056 Meters per Second
1.5 seconds is the average thinking time of a driver to react to a situation
The following table shows typical CAR stopping distances. The Highway Code points out that a motorcyclist should increase these distances
Thinking distance
Braking distance
Stopping distance
At 30 mph 9 metres
( 30 feet )14 metres
( 45 feet )23 metres
( 75 feet )
At 50 mph 15 metres
( 50 feet )38 metres
( 125feet )53 metres
( 175feet )
At 70 mph 21 metres
( 70 feet )75 metres
( 245feet )96 metres
( 315 feet )So how does he 'safely' do it?
*all figures above were found using google*
Spank86
20-09-12, 08:03 PM
You also have to add in the time to first get the back wheel down and second gain control of the bike before jamming on the front brake.
yorkie_chris
20-09-12, 08:21 PM
Or subtract, given that you can haul a fireblade up a bit handy compared to a 1952 ford anglia or whatever they base the distances on.
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