Tracing a mobile number.. can it be done?

[kellyjo]

I want to find out the details of the person behind a certain mobile number.
Ive google'd it and drawn a blank. Is it possible to do?

Thanks, Kj x

And no its not someone off here, it's someone who's been contacting my 12yo daughter!

[DJ123]

Doubt it due to data protection act. If it is a number pestering you, your network should be able to block it.

[kellyjo]

That's what i thought, I'm just being a cautious parent, trying to confirm that this person is who they say they are.

[widepants]

how easy is it to buy a 50p sim card though

[DJ123]

That's what i thought, I'm just being a cautious parent, trying to confirm that this person is who they say they are.

Is it someone from your past, or someone trying to get your details?

[andrewsmith]

police KJ

[kellyjo]

It's just someone my.daughters in contact with. She's convinced he's genuine, I'd just like to reassure myself that's the case!

[squirrel_hunter]

I think someone at News International might be able to help you...

[DarrenSV650S]

Phone them?

[DJ123]

It's just someone my.daughters in contact with. She's convinced he's genuine, I'd just like to reassure myself that's the case!

In that case i'd do one of 2 things. Either see if i knew someone who worked in a phone shop who 'could' check details (if the number is registered).
Or i'd get some to call the number and ask for the person they are claiming to be.

[Bri w]

Mmm, as your daughter is only 12 I'd be having a quiet word with your local Police. At least they could reassure you even if they can't give you any personal details.

[yorkie_chris]

Buy a £5 sim, ring and ask for them, if correct ask if they have had an accident in last 5 years :P

[kellyjo]

I think an anonymous caller may be the way forward, if my daughter knows I'm checking up then I'm afraid she'll start trying to hide it and I'm desperately trying to keep an open relationship with her.

[Spank86]

It is possible but anyone apart from the police anyone who was able to do it would be putting at the very least their job on the line if not their liberty.

[yorkie_chris]

Presumably (hopefully!) this caller is also a minor, probably wouldn't be good to be found out for releasing personal details in that case. Even with best intentions.

Then again surely nobody up to no good would be stupid enough to use an attributable phone number?


On a serious note I'd suggest a chat with one of the .orgs resident coppers to see if there are any checks which can be made discretely.

[tigersaw]

12 year olds have telephones these days?

[-Ralph-]

I'm assuming this is someone your daughter doesn't actually know in person? How did they get into contact with each other in the first place?

Trouble is you can buy a SIM card with £10 credit on it and never actually register it, so it's untraceable.

Police may be able to advise, and if they share your concerns they may look into it for you.

I find the best way with teenagers (12 - nearly) is to get them thinking intelligently about it and drawing their own conclusions. An open conversation with your daughter on the dangers may be the way forward, you will have told her about talking to strangers when she was at primary school age, but a conversation encoraging her to contribute her own views on why that might still be valid for teenagers, whilst planting a few ideas if your own. Ask her why she wants to be in contact with this person that she's never met and tell her your not comfortable with her talking to strangers and she needs to meet him and see who she is dealing with. I'd make a deal that you'll take her and some if her friends out to McDonalds/Pizza Hut for a treat, so long as she agrees a date and time for it with this stranger and invites him along. If he turns up and he's a nice 12yr old boy, your worries are over. If he makes every excuse or just doesnt show (offer to pick him up in the car) then you still have a worry and can take it from there.

[timwilky]

I agree with Ralph, engage with your daughter. she is a young lady, who doesn't need to think the world is cozy and she is wrapped in cotton wool. There are nasty people out there and you cannot be there to protect her full time. She needs to know the devious ways of the horrid people and how they build trust from a distance.

Whether it be social networks, texting, etc. It is anonymous communication and unless her friends can vouch for the contact and honestly say they know him, you are right to be suspicious. I like Ralphs method of forcing the guy into the open. hopefully everything is ok and it is genuine. But guide her through the issues. Don't be an overbearing mum or she will start hiding things.

Been though all this with scumbags and daughters 14 years ago.

[kellyjo]

Ralph, I am worried. Hes 16. Shes a mature 12 (physically and mentally) but 12 nonetheless.

Apparently he lives south london and she has no immediate expectation of meeting him. Ive expressed my concerns and told her she must NEVER go behind my back to see him (not that she has that amount of independance anyway) and that if she ever does want to meet I will take her.
Apparently they first chatted two years ago through an online game. But I know that he now texts, live chat and skype. Ive already put a stop to skype because i know it was getting innapropriate. This guy thinks its ok to show my 12yo daughter his ****. She assures me shes shown him nothing.

Ive tried to get her to think about what shes doing, asking her how many 16yo boys at school have relationships with 12yo girls and she knows that its not the norm. And shes well aware of 'stranger danger'.
I can see why shes flattered but I dont get whats in it for him. Shes shown me a photo and he seems like a nice normal kid, so ive also told her that he must have his own friends a possibly a girlfriend.
She says shes seen his face on skype and hes definitely a boy, not an older man imposting which was one of my concerns.
Im sure if he was just a boy down the road it wouldnt have gone this far because she wouldnt know how to handle it. It must be coming from him.

Im in a no win situation. If I stop it she'll hate me and start doing things behind my back.
If I let it carry on am I allowing her to get herself into a worse situation.
I am honestly at a loss.

Her dad things we should let it carry on and hope it will fizzle out, but what if it doesnt. Besides, he spent most of our married life looking at teen porn so I dont trust his judgement with it anyway, he thinks that behaviour is acceptable.
What if this guy gets to 18 and comes looking for her, she'll only be 14.

I want her to be open with me, and she is finding that really difficult which I can understand.

Id like to ring him as I have his number and tell him to leave her alone, in not very nice words. But chances are he'll tell her straightaway and she'll close up on me totally.

I really would value sensible suggestions from those of you with older kids, not stupid comments please as this is not a humerous situation from where im sitting.

Thanks, KJ xx

[tactcom7]

KJ if it has got to the stage of him showing her his privates then it's definitely a case for the authorities I would imagine. Have you tried contacting his parents as hopefully they would be as concerned and shocked as you are about the situation?

[kellyjo]

Tactcom, thats why I was wondering if there was a way to trace an address from his phone number. Id love to speak to his parents!!!
I dont know if my daughter has an address but im 100% certain she wouldnt give it to me.

[Spank86]

Don't suppose you have a last name?

[tactcom7]

what information DO you have about him, name age, d.o.b?

[kellyjo]

All I have is a name and age, mobile number and email address

[yorkie_chris]

I believe it's possible to go from the data attached to an email to find the IP address, and from there to the internet provider and then to a physical address but I think you need a court order to do it.

[timwilky]

If he has been exposing himself though video to a 12yr old girl. He has committed an offence, as a responsible parent you should make a complaint. God know how many others he is doing this to.

[maviczap]

Presumably (hopefully!) this caller is also a minor, probably wouldn't be good to be found out for releasing personal details in that case. Even with best intentions.

Then again surely nobody up to no good would be stupid enough to use an attributable phone number?


On a serious note I'd suggest a chat with one of the .orgs resident coppers to see if there are any checks which can be made discretely.

You won't be able to get phone checks done without a court order, only in emergency. Situations would a mobile account details be released.
Speak to the police child protection team as if its got this far then its getting serious.
Have a look on the CEOPs website for more advice.

[Messie]

From a school's perspective this would be a child protection issue. We have to handle this sort of thing far too frequently.
First of all you are doing and thinking exactly the right things. You are a very aware parent and are in the unenviable position of having to find the line between protecting your child and allowing her independence and the oppotunities for learning
Practical things to do that I can suggest are firstly to keep on talking to your daughter. You are very lucky that she onviously trusts you and has a good relationship. In the end she may well get cross with you but that will be a temporary state I promise, and it's better than her not telling you anything.
I would also express your concerns to your daughter's sschool, if you have a good relationship with them. They may be aware of some of the things you are worried about, but may not know it involves your daughter. Also go to your local police station and make them aware. They may not be able to to hunt him down and all that straight away but they will log the info and it may contribute to a bigger picture. Also if things escalate (hopefully they won't) they will have some info to go on.
It may also be worthwhile changing your daughter's phone number. She won't like it but her real friends will understand.
She's lucky to have a parent like you. Too many don't, and this type of thing can lead to far worse situations.

[Biker Biggles]

As long as you and your daughter can keep talking to each other and keep it all in the open I think you are ok.
She probably talks to her mates about it and they all have a good laugh,and if you and she can keep it at that level you will know where its at.Secrecy and falling out with your girl is the worst thing that can happen,not just for this issue,but for future (and there will be others)ones as well.

[Paul the 6th]

http://ceop.police.uk - good luck, I don't envy your position in the slightest..

http://www.ceop.police.uk/safety-centre/

[Spank86]

No point changing the phone number if they have other means of contact, you'll just damage your relationship with her for no gain.

Sorry messie but if they can talk on the net they can swap new numbers in a flash and even if they don't the net is more trouble than texts.

[shonadoll]

I have a 17year old son and I'm sorry to worry you but that's not normal behaviour. Fancying older girls is, online porn is, girls your own age or a couple of months younger is, but that's not right. You're right on it though so I'm sure he's got no chance.

Had a very similar short lived stalking attempt on my 16 year old daughter by a 26year old but when he realised I knew he disappeared sharpish which I reckon this creep will.

This sort of behaviour seems almost exclusively perpetrated by men- apart from an ex slag friend of mine who came onto my nineteen year old son after knowing him since he was ten, but thankfully alcoholic lying bints like her seem few and far between.

[-Ralph-]

Ralph, I am worried. Hes 16. Shes a mature 12 (physically and mentally) but 12 nonetheless.

This guy thinks its ok to show my 12yo daughter his ****. She assures me shes shown him nothing

I really would value sensible suggestions from those of you with older kids

My son is only 5 yrs old, I do have some experience of dealing with teenagers, but not as much as you need here, and I totally understand you asking for opinions from those with older kids. I'm not one of those people.

Given what you've now told us I'm finding it very difficult to suggest any course of action other than reporting the crime that he has already committed to the police, but I don't have to balance your relationship with your daughter.

Perhaps involve another adult that both your and your daughter trust to talk to her and see if she will end the contact, a family friend perhaps. I used to end up sorting out my younger cousins problems quite a lot as they trusted me, saw me as an equal (only being 10 years older), but still someone they looked up to and would listen to, and didn't get as defensive as they would if having the same conversation with their parents.

Perhaps contact him yourself (you have an email address), tell him you know what he has done, advise him that he has committed a crime, advise him that it's not a crime that gets a slap on the wrist and would ruin his prospects moving forwards, (sex offenders register, etc) and that if he contacts your daughter again, you will be reporting him to the police.

I certainly think that you need to put an end to the 'friendship' somehow. If that does end in conflict with your daughter, she will get over it.

[-Ralph-]

I have a 17year old son and I'm sorry to worry you but that's not normal behaviour. Fancying older girls is, online porn is, girls your own age or a couple of months younger is, but that's not right.

<SNIP>creep</SNIP>

+ a million. Creep is the right word to describe a 16yr old who is interested in a 12 yr old. I wouldn't be giving this lad any benefit of the doubt "he might be a nice normal lad, etc" TBH.

[kellyjo]

Thanks for your opinions guys. I dont really know who else to discuss it with.
Im sure she knows its wrong because shes kept it hidden and she also says she hasnt told any of her friends about it.

[dirtydog]

My eldest is only 9 but if she were 12 and a 16 year old boy was texting her, emailing and exposing himself to her then first stop would be the police station to report it and then if it carried on then lets just say it wouldnt end well for him :smt068

[Owenski]

This forum is like that show "the audience" we all to some degree know/think we know some of the persona on here and KJ coming on here to air a problem is a fantastically respectable way of dealing with it, your daughter is very lucky.
Trying to remember what I thought of/about at 16 tells me the lad will get board and move on if your daughter remains just a penpal, in which case I would say its perfectly healthy fantasy for her... but for him 16 > 12 that's just creeeeeppyyy!
+1 he should be more interested in youporn and not cbbc, perhaps reiterate that strange men don't have to be in their 30's, 16 year olds are just as predatory and that she should be on guard. Any more exposure of genitalia is definitely worrying and she should insist their contact be purely verbal if he tries it again.

[Spank86]

The exposure is very difficult to try to explain but with regards to chatting with a younger girl I can easily see how it would come about online where actual age is less easy to tell than in real life. If as you say she acts quite mature it would be easy for him to get friends with her before realising.

I'm not going to try to defend any of his actions merely provide a slightly different slant. Although its not the same I'm 30 and about 4 years ago met a girl online who's 8 years younger than me on a forum much like this one.

As it happens she lives relatively nearby and has on occasion made it clear she wanted to meet. I've always made it clear she's too young for me (because i could see which way some of her comments were going) and that I'm not going to meet her (or even Skype). She does have my phone number and still texts me relatively regularly.

If I were her dad or mum and I found out about me I'd be incredibly worried (or at least would have been, she's got a boyfriend now), but I know I've never done anything wrong and wouldn't and certainly wouldn't think of exposing myself (to anyone over the Internet TBH, sorry ladies) but if i was her parent especially when she was 18 I'd have freaked.

It's not the same at all I know and if he really has exposed himself then its definitely a relationship that needs severing but I thought some of you might need an example of where a friendship between different ages might form.

I'd also imagine he's as unlikely to tell his friends as she is, I'm fairly sure if I'd been that age it wouldn't have been back slaps all round but serious mickey taking and them thinking I was weird.

[Owenski]

Half your age plus 7...
Thats the rule of wrong, ie if you're worried someone you're into is too young for you then divide your age in 2 (in my case 13.5yrs) add 7 (for me 20.5years) so really as a 27 year old the youngest person I could date before its classed as wrong is 21years old.

Test it out.

[Vinc]

What exactly are you worried about?

You seemed to suggest that you worried he wasn't who he claimed to be, but if they are using skype to chat with webcams, then that should settle it.

If you are worried he might not respect her boundaries then just make sure they see each other in your house, while you are in the other end of the house, or in the garden - just don't sneak around.

I had a girlfriend 3 years older than myself, when I was 13 (I am a guy), and we would spend hours online, it is not as uncommon as you may think.

[shonadoll]

What exactly are you worried about?

You seemed to suggest that you worried he wasn't who he claimed to be, but if they are using skype to chat with webcams, then that should settle it.

If you are worried he might not respect her boundaries then just make sure they see each other in your house, while you are in the other end of the house, or in the garden - just don't sneak around.

I had a girlfriend 3 years older than myself, when I was 13 (I am a guy), and we would spend hours online, it is not as uncommon as you may think.

Given today in the news a 15 year old girl has disappeared with her 30 year old French teacher, maybe that gives you a clue. You being a 13 year old GUY is a completely different scenario to this dilemma, since guys are commonly abusers and older. And how does Skype settle anything if he gets his 13 yo brother to say its him? It's hardly difficult to groom a child which is what we are talking about here, predatory men pretending to be boys are quite common.

[-Ralph-]

This forum is like that show "the audience"

Correct, except 'The Audience' on an internet forum could be anybody, at any age, with any level of intelligence, morality, sanity, etc, etc :lol:

Ask the forum you ask the public, and you'll get all sorts of answers, useful, sensible, or otherwise.

So long as everyone remembers (especially KJ) to ignore any replies they find land in the 'otherwise' category and disregard them without a second thought, it doesn't matter.

[shonadoll]

Correct, except 'The Audience' on an internet forum could be anybody, at any age, with any level of intelligence, morality, sanity, etc, etc :lol:

Ask the forum you ask the public, and you'll get all sorts of answers, useful, sensible, or otherwise.

So long as everyone remembers (especially KJ) to ignore any replies they find land in the 'otherwise' category and disregard them without a second thought, it doesn't matter.


Amen.

[Spank86]

@shonadoll, by that logic even meeting in real life wouldn't help as he could send his 'brother' to that too.

[shonadoll]

I know, it's not infallible. He could also send his two year old cousin. A 13 year old would be more likely to be less predatory than a 16 year old boy going for a 12 year old girl, and I don't see what good skyeping would do anyway- I still wouldnt let me 12 year old meet up with a stranger she had met online- especially after showing his penis to her, but yeah, you got me bang to rights...

[-Ralph-]

This is a thread about a serious problem where the OP needs (preferably sensible) advice. Do we have to start picking holes in each others posts?

[shonadoll]

This is a thread about a serious problem where the OP needs (preferably sensible) advice. Do we have to start picking holes in each others posts?I was responding the the earlier daft post about Skype "settling the matter" as I felt it was disingenuous.

Like you posted about the audience programme a couple of posts ago? No?

[Messie]

It is worth bearing in mind that the guy may just be legit. I'm not saying it's right but jumping in with him being predatory may not be a particularly helpful thing to do. It is possible that he is shy, lonely, small for his age, emotional behind and he genuinely gets on with this younger girl. Clearly this is still of concern to KJ and needs some sort of response from her, but it may be a different response.

Just for clarity KJ, do you think he really DID show his bits to her or not? May it have been tongues wagging (I'm not trying to give the boys an excuse here, just trying to see all points of view)
Can you talk with him over Skype?

[kellyjo]

I know he definitely did, i saw the screenshots she'd taken and she didn't deny it, when i asked if it was the first time she said no but wouldn't say how many times.
He may well be legit so i am cautious of overreacting otherwise id have gone straight to the police.
I'm meeting with her dad tomorrow to discuss it further because i refuse to do nothing. I also need to discuss it with her further.
If he was closer I'd be ringing him, telling him i know everything and giving him the chance to come and talk it through if he genuinely cares, or let him know to walk away if he doesn't!

[Spank86]

I know, it's not infallible. He could also send his two year old cousin. A 13 year old would be more likely to be less predatory than a 16 year old boy going for a 12 year old girl, and I don't see what good skyeping would do anyway- I still wouldnt let me 12 year old meet up with a stranger she had met online- especially after showing his penis to her, but yeah, you got me bang to rights...

It doesn't do any good, I'm merely suggesting that chances are this guy is on the level, even if the level in question is highly dodgy.

I mean if it was a much older man then he'd have picked an age closer to 12, say 14 or something and wouldn't want to Skype. Claimed not to have a webcam or some thing.

In my opinion anyway, I'm not an expert.

This is a thread about a serious problem where the OP needs (preferably sensible) advice. Do we have to start picking holes in each others posts?

Not trying to pick holes here, trying to be sensible and helpful.

Thought shonadoll was suggesting it could be even worse and the guy could be an old man?

I'm saying I think it's unlikely.

[-Ralph-]

He may well be legit

What do you mean by this KJ? A legitimate friend who has no predatory intentions towards your daughter? A purely platonic relationship?

Showing his genitals on a regular basis doesn't sound very platonic to me.

Unless he is retarded and has a lower mental age, 16 is too old for innocent children's games of 'you show me yours, I'll show you mine'.

At 16 he's sexually mature and should be considered a young man from that perspective. All men are predatory, most normal 16 yr old lads will do anything to get a girl in the sack, and that testosterone fuelled predatory behaviour never really goes away. Builders will wolf whistle at a pretty lady walking past a building site and even the happily married one's might fantasise about getting her in the sack, even if they never have any intention of doing anything about it. My wife takes the p*ss at my fixation every time Nicole Scherzinger comes on the TV, and Keira Knightley is just visual perfection as far as I'm concerned. ;)

Make no mistake that a normal 16 yr old will have sex on his mind, just normal ones would prey on other 16 yr old girls, not a 12 yr old.

[Messie]

With respect Ralph I don't think shouting out your own fears and dramatisations and overgeneralisations in this instance, are particularly helpful either.
I'm sure KJ is intelligent enough to consider all angles properly

A calm and considered approach is more important here

[Spank86]

I'd like to point out that I'm not predatory and i wasn't at 16 so I don't think all men can be.

Maybe lots are but I'm not prepared to believe I'm unique.

[Specialone]

It's not at all rare for teenagers to send intimate pics to people they've met online, my friends nephew when he was 15,16 had girls frequently emailing him or sending him pics of their boobies and more sometimes, it's very common actually.

Obviously, none of the above is relevant to Kellyjos 12yr old daughter as she is way too young, but I bet if you asked a few older teenage girls, I bet a few had received pics of boys ***** and equally sent some intimate pics back.

I would be very worried too if I was in kj's position, I don't really have a solution either tbh, but from a mans point of view, we were always chasing older birds not younger ones.

I think I'd have to confront him tbh, it's better for your daughter to be angry at you temporarily than not be around at all because she's been abducted or worse (obviously thinking the worst possible).

[shonadoll]

I'd like to point out that I'm not predatory and i wasn't at 16 so I don't think all men can be.

Maybe lots are but I'm not prepared to believe I'm unique.


That's good, but some men and boys are. And the risk is too great to ignore. Once you have kids you may feel differently but as a parent if a 16 year old male really did send a picture of his genitalia to my 12 year old daughter, I'd be involving the police, personally.

[Spank86]

I'm not suggesting some aren't.

Some few women are come to that, all I'm trying to put across is that it's by no means universal and that she shouldn't be jumping to conclusions or making assumptions (although the whole penis thing doesn't make it look good without any form of context).


I also agree, it's not something to be ignored and the police may well be the way forward.

[-Ralph-]

I guess that depends how you define predatory

we were always chasing ... birds

by my definition Specialone is predatory, as is any bloke who's ever eyed up a bird in the pub, and thought 'I fancy my chances there'.

I think that's probably the vast majority of normal blokes.

[Specialone]

Cheers Col :rolleyes:

[Spank86]

by my definition Specialone is predatory, as is any bloke who's ever eyed up a bird in the pub, and thought 'I fancy my chances there'.

I think that's probably the vast majority of normal blokes.

In that case it's every woman around too.

I'd define predatory as somewhat more aggressive than that.

And TBH at 16 I wasn't even that "predatory".

[-Ralph-]

fears and dramatisations and overgeneralisations

Thanks for your opinions on my post, a bit exaggerated in my view, but when have we ever seen eye to eye? It would be boring if we all thought the same way so I respect them all the same.

[sunshine]

to original question, it can be done, quiet easily, but it is illegal, and its considered 'inproper use of a computer' and a few other charges if caught, a heavily fined and internet bans are possible outcomes of being caught.

As for the current argument of 'predatory' males I would love to cast a Psychologist point of view but I study attention and perception so I wont get involved since my knowledge is useless and my textbooks don't mention anything about it.

[tactcom7]

I'd like to point out that I'm not predatory and i wasn't at 16 so I don't think all men can be.

Maybe lots are but I'm not prepared to believe I'm unique.

Me neither Spank. girls terrified me at that age. They still do now but for wholly different reasons.

[tactcom7]

to original question, it can be done, quiet easily, but it is illegal, and its considered 'inproper use of a computer' and a few other charges if caught, a heavily fined and internet bans are possible outcomes of being caught.

As for the current argument of 'predatory' males I would love to cast a Psychologist point of view but I study attention and perception so I wont get involved since my knowledge is useless and my textbooks don't mention anything about it.

I'd be interested to know how, especially if its unregistered, a payg sim paid for in cash and using a false address.

[-Ralph-]

In that case it's every woman around too

Nowadays there is much more 'predatory' (by my definition) behaviour by women. Being a bit old fashioned and out of touch, I'd call them 'ladettes', and predatory behaviour is exactly why the media gave them that nickname.

When I was 16-20 yrs old though it was still usually a case of groups of lads who 'went out on the pull', ie: they went out to pubs and nightclubs with the specific aim of chatting up and ultimately taking home a girl. Very few girls 20 years ago went out with that specific agenda.

Hopefully it's getting a bit clearer what I mean by 'predatory' though that may be the wrong word to be using to describe it. I'd say the vast majority (ie: 75% plus) of 16yr old lads are. (though of course I'm not suggesting for a second that 16 yr old lads are incapable of platonic relationships).

[Spank86]

Myself I would only use the word predatory of someone who either chats up girls one by one, moving on to the next if they are not interested only after one thing OR someone who doesn't take no for an answer but keeps pushing at the same girl (and agin only after one thing).

That's not and never has been me. I'll chat to a girl if I think she's ok but I wouldn't chat up a girl for sex if I found her boring and I wouldn't sweep a pub going for girl after girl just for a lay.


But we are moving away from the central issue now and I do appreciate your point of view and quite a few guys do do that, however I suspect most of them wouldn't bother with a lengthy online relationship with a younger girl. To continue your analogy, there's much easier 'game' out there.

[-Ralph-]

quite a few guys do do that, however I suspect most of them wouldn't bother with a lengthy online relationship with a younger girl.

Lets hope in this case that you are right.

[sunshine]

I'd be interested to know how, especially if its unregistered, a payg sim paid for in cash and using a false address.

most modern phones can be traced to a geographical location, but without the phone-owners permission its illegal. Depending on model of phone depends on accuracy. When we looked into this it was too inaccurate to know which house it was, within a row of terraces but could be done with the average semi-detached house. We used parts of old mobiles and payg sim's as tracers in bikes then tested how accurately we could find the bikes, found it to inaccurate for use, as stolen bikes get stored in council garage blocks and similar where you need to be able to work out with one they are in.

Also people are generally stupid (im a people person really), the false address is either a public building, or more commonly a friends house, finding someone who regularly changes number with each phone to a different address, just look for the common friend, is another way.

[Messie]

Closed now at OP's request.