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Not knowing the answer to my bike break down today is really hurting Thunderace. mwah ha ha!
So-far the majority of the usual tech support posters have not chipped in so will be leaving this to run for a while.
Currently a disappointing lack of basic diagnostic skills being shown. DadyJob and Spank the only two actually suggesting something beneficial with a description as to how to perform the diagnostic and why.
Fallout
14-10-12, 08:42 PM
Codswallop! I'm the only person to suggest undoing what you did in the morning, which is the first and most important step in any diagnosis of a fault that occurred after making a change! Pah!!! Bah!!
No, i also advised removing the girly handguards ;)
Fallout
14-10-12, 08:45 PM
Well then we're both the bestest ever, and Spank is stupid.
Thunderace
14-10-12, 08:48 PM
I also mentioned the hand guards, albeit in a pm, and I was the only one who thought, top down check everything, now hence having checked the entire bike I would have found the fault, as I don't know what was causing the problem I'm not sure where to stop checking? Unless I can see and touch it I'm at a loss, what can I say no imagination!
But the important thing is Thunderace is suffering :)
Thunderace
14-10-12, 08:51 PM
GIT!:(
Fallout
14-10-12, 09:34 PM
But the important thing is Thunderace is suffering :)
Ahhh. Now it all makes sense. :rolleyes:
Is it just me or does it look like most of the "that'll be the snurgle valve rusted through" or "check your VHS values with a dealer plug" type of posters are missing from my little test of actual mechanical practicality.
So far our Job is doing a sterling practical job. Tomor went for a nice obvious one early doors. Spank's checking for symptoms but not entirely sure what he'll do if one proves interesting. Fallout has made some interesting statements harking back to his radio control days but has failed to apply them to the situation. Meanwhile I'm sat in the carpark getting bored!
The whole point of the thread is to see who "knows" and who just "posts". Stuff like "I'd just check everything in a logical order and stop when fixed" is all well and good but neither tests the practical application nor provides any guidance for the next poor sole to go splutter splutter stop on the side of the road.
On the plus side I recon Thunderace really wants to know what went wrong and this is making him stressed again :)
This is actually quite a good sustainability test as this could happen to anyone out there. If it happens during ZA you're buggered if it turns out the RAC driver is already a Zombie!
Spank86
15-10-12, 11:41 AM
Back in my gardening days I was told If you don't know the answer and nobody else has given it keep asking questions until someone has an idea.
Fallout
15-10-12, 11:52 AM
Actually, I did apply my RC car knowledge! I asked if the fuel line had become snagged/squished under braking when you entered the roundabout. To shut off an RC car you close a clip on the fuel line. The symptom is a burbly engine that revs higher and higher without throttle then shuts off.
Here (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2786116&postcount=12), though perhaps you missed the edit. Either way, I did apply it!
Thunderace
15-10-12, 04:14 PM
I am curious as to what the fault was, but I aint typing step by step breakdown of method,
#1 too much typing
#2 if you don't know how you deserve to be stuck on the side of the road! And I aint gonna teach the various knobheads on here how to fault find.
Oi little miss PMT. The purpose was to flush out the re-posters and identify those who will actually be useful in a "side of the road" situation. You yourself posted bemoaning the lack of basic fault finding skills demonstrated and this was an attempt to get some of those basic skills developed.
You will note that so-far we've had no responses from the "connect an oscilloscope to the dilithium generator" folks which is unusual for any post asking for suggestions for a fault.
In this instance I require no help in getting the bike going. I know what's wrong with it and how to fix it. As originally posted this is a trial of the practical diagnostic thought processes of the ORG contributors.
I am however disappointed that some folks give up immediately and phone for recovery without covering even the most basic checks but that is the subject of your previous rant back in August.
I'll post the actual activities after dinner this evening to give folks a chance to get there.
I also need to get a longer hex key for the tank bolts to make undoing those easier at the side of the road.
PS, hammer + WD40 could have been useful but I had neither!
Spank86
15-10-12, 04:33 PM
Meaning something was sticking.
It gets better... Fallout's just got a wrist slap for posting :) Not sure if the slap was actually for Thunderace for being a stroppy know-it-all or me for poking the break-down callers but either way Fallout got the blame and I've apologised for us all :)
Fallout just seems to attract bad publicity!
Thunderace
15-10-12, 06:08 PM
Yeah that was a bit weird, I read back through the thread and the only person poking fun was you.
Fallout
15-10-12, 06:23 PM
I think it was the bit where I said about Mark expecting us to figure out exactly what bum cheek to scratch, or something. Or I could've been confused with Nathan, my nemesis again. Not sure.
Either way, the problem is we continue our in person banter on the forum, and to an outsider who doesn't know us, it may just seem like offensive behaviour to someone who's innocent. The irony being that I probably don't dish out as much abuse as I get from you lot. Normally because I'm too busy looking good.
Spank86
15-10-12, 06:33 PM
Yeah, it takes you a lot of time and effort to look anything close to good, the rest of us do it naturally
The final installment is posted!
I'd run out of unicorn tears!
Fallout
15-10-12, 07:09 PM
I would have figured that out in 30 seconds with 1 testicle tied behind my back.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 07:36 PM
Fuel,spark,air always check when engine misbehaving.
Spank86
15-10-12, 07:49 PM
But just saying that covers everything, it hardly narrows anything down.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 08:08 PM
But just saying that covers everything, it hardly narrows anything down.
Well yes it does, if you know how it should look, you know when something looks wrong. If you have fuel, plugs working and fitted correctly, intake connected properly, then 99% of the time an engine will work.
It was asked what I'd do, third on my list, air intake.
Everybody knows the basics Ad, even you!
Suck, squeeze, bang, blow, if your engine can do this it will work unless there is an engine management issue or something broken in the engine itself.
Spank86
15-10-12, 08:09 PM
Suck, squeeze, bang, blow, if you engine can do this it will work unless there is an engine management issue or something broken in the engine itself.
Sounds like the recipe for a good relationship to me.
What I mean is just saying fuel spark air isn't very specific, it also describes how you start a fire for instance.
So the step-by-step way to colonise Mars in Thunderace's world.
1. build transport system
2. develop life support systems
3. go to Mars
If only life were so simple.
The entire purpose of the post was to get a discussion of what to do how to do it and what to look for. You just went right in there with an over simplified version that half the forum would not know how to actually put into practice.
Fallout
15-10-12, 08:19 PM
Oooo can I play?
How to solve world famine in ThunderAce's world:
1. Get some seeds
2. Get some water
3. Put them both in the ground
If only life were so simple.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 08:20 PM
Sounds like the recipe for a good relationship to me.
What I mean is just saying fuel spark air isn't very specific, it also describes how you start a fire for instance.
I'm not going to write a manual on the forum!
Although if I did we might have less of the " buy a multimeter" type posts.
I could call it "Dave's Bible" or "The Bodgers Handbok"!
As I've said before If you don't know the basics you deserve to be stuck at the edge of the road. I taught myself, with a little input from my dad and a local bike breaker. Never trust anyone who goes into too much detail, I've often found the more general sounding advice more useful and easier to remember.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 08:21 PM
So the step-by-step way to colonise Mars in Thunderace's world.
1. build transport system
2. develop life support systems
3. go to Mars
If only life were so simple.
The entire purpose of the post was to get a discussion of what to do how to do it and what to look for. You just went right in there with an over simplified version that half the forum would not know how to actually put into practice.
Because their ignorance is my fault?
Spank86
15-10-12, 08:22 PM
Not just there, here as well.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 08:28 PM
Yeah did think I should have edited that quote!
Spank86
15-10-12, 08:31 PM
I thought it worked nicely with the mars question.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 08:35 PM
The entire purpose of the post was to get a discussion of what to do how to do it and what to look for. You just went right in there with an over simplified version that half the forum would not know how to actually put into practice.
So my diagnostics were too simple. So you're saying that someone incapable of checking their plugs, fuel & air intake, is going to know what a butterfly valve is/looks like or his situated?
Spank86
15-10-12, 08:37 PM
I don't, that's why I stopped posting, I don't know the name for anything internal, id just be saying "check the flappy bits"
I am curious as to what the fault was, but I aint typing step by step breakdown of method,
#1 too much typing
#2 if you don't know how you deserve to be stuck on the side of the road! And I aint gonna teach the various knobheads on here how to fault find.
PMS -10 points
Thunderace
15-10-12, 09:11 PM
PMS -10 points
Come now Job, you know exactly what I mean, took me trial and error, lots of mistakes, bit's of advice and a lot of bikes to get to be "Dave" why should I pass that on for free to the google copy and paste merchants that lurk in the tech section?
Fallout
15-10-12, 09:11 PM
I don't know what a moth value is either Spank, but I'll most likely find out when/if I take my engine apart this winter.
Spank86
15-10-12, 09:13 PM
I don't know what a moth value is either Spank, but I'll most likely find out when/if I take my engine apart this winter.
Depends on the variety but some of them are quite pricy if you find the right lepidopterist.
so that you don't have a moany post in a years time complaining that no one knows how to fix their bike and to start with the basics 1st.
Knowledge is passed on and passed down. By doing so, people learn, people do and people pass it on. This enables that culture of hands on mechanics rather than give it to a garage. I learned plenty off here about the SV and how to fix certain elements of it.
Spank86
15-10-12, 09:14 PM
If people didn't pass on knowledge we'd never have advanced because what took you a lifetime to learn would also take the next generation and the next so nobody would ever learn more.
Fallout
15-10-12, 09:17 PM
so that you don't have a moany post in a years time complaining that no one knows how to fix their bike and to start with the basics 1st.
Knowledge is passed on and passed down. By doing so, people learn, people do and people pass it on. This enables that culture of hands on mechanics rather than give it to a garage. I learned plenty off here about the SV and how to fix certain elements of it.
:winner: I've learnt a lot from just having a go (Nathan's preferred technique!) but just as much from Mr Haynes (a sort of handing down of knowledge) and a decent amount from t'internet. I think to diagnose my engine fault and get that fixed I'll need some other gems from those around me. So yes, share knowledge with those around you.
I know Nathan agrees with this though, he's just untwisting his knickers atm. :D
Spank86
15-10-12, 09:19 PM
If he wore his own instead of his misses's they might not twist so much.
Thunderace
15-10-12, 09:19 PM
I don't know what a moth value is either Spank, but I'll most likely find out when/if I take my engine apart this winter.
I learnt by pulling stuff apart and looking, you don't need to know what stuff is called until it's broke (then take offending article to garage/breakers/Dave and say "what's this") most of the time if you don't think it looks right it probably aint, go for it, once you've done it you'll not forget, scuffed knuckles and sheared bolts are what memories are made of!
Also all engines are basically the same so if I may be permitted the indelicacy "you seen one, you seen them all".
Fallout
15-10-12, 09:20 PM
Wankel. :-P
Spank86
15-10-12, 09:23 PM
Steam,
Jet,
Fallout
15-10-12, 09:25 PM
Typoon
Blizzard
Steam,
Jet,
Gladiators
Wolf
Hurricane
Gladiators
Typoon
Blizzard
WTF?
Spank86
15-10-12, 09:26 PM
Typoon?
I can't even ask what that sounds like on a U rated forum.
Since when Was steam a gladiator?
Thunderace
15-10-12, 09:27 PM
:winner: I've learnt a lot from just having a go (Nathan's preferred technique!) but just as much from Mr Haynes (a sort of handing down of knowledge) and a decent amount from t'internet. I think to diagnose my engine fault and get that fixed I'll need some other gems from those around me. So yes, share knowledge with those around you.
That's the ticket never all from one source, Mr Haynes has been useful although the photographers need shooting, as to you're engine lots of bikes are tough to start when weather is cold probably nowt serious check a Gixxer forum and get some easy start, or a low voltage heater in your garage.
As to burning oil, most likely piston rings (easy if you've got the tools) although most of it is probably dripping out the bottom of the engine (I think I recall you said you had a leak) and you know oil gets thin when hot.
Typoon?
I can't even ask what that sounds like on a U rated forum.
Since when Was steam a gladiator?
That must have been in an X rated film Fallout has seen :lol: Thaipoon . . .
Steam, must have been an 'adult' Gladiator ;)
Thunderace
15-10-12, 09:32 PM
Wankel. :-P
Yes but rotaries are awkward so I've heard, never had the chance to fiddle but have heard bad stories.
Steam,
Jet,
Bless you Ad, never seen steam or jet powered vehicles on the road (apart from the occasional traction engine) was thinking more internal combustion.
Wolf
Hurricane
Don't be silly.
Typoon
Isn't that a teabag?
Fallout
15-10-12, 09:33 PM
Typoon?
I can't even ask what that sounds like on a U rated forum.
Since when Was steam a gladiator?
Exactly! The game was clearly engine types cunningly changed to gladiators, cunningly changed to weather patterns. It was forum Mallet's Mallet. I wonder who's old enough to know what that is?
That's the ticket never all from one source, Mr Haynes has been useful although the photographers need shooting, as to you're engine lots of bikes are tough to start when weather is cold probably nowt serious check a Gixxer forum and get some easy start, or a low voltage heater in your garage.
As to burning oil, most likely piston rings (easy if you've got the tools) although most of it is probably dripping out the bottom of the engine (I think I recall you said you had a leak) and you know oil gets thin when hot.
Well when the weather finally closes in I'll get cracking. Will check cylinder compression tomorrow to get a heads up, but defo over winter start with draining oil and put on my new alternator gasket then new oil and see how that goes with consumption. At least some of it is coming out the arsse end though, as you all well know. :D
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