Crazy woman attempted to knock me off

[TCochrane]

On my way home from a lecture at uni just now ( it was raining ) a woman attempted to pull out in front of me from a junction on purpose with no lights or indicators on in poor visibility. I have bright white HID's and a bright orange bike so there's no excuse that she didn't see me. I was going at about 25 - 30mph.

I beeped and swerved to avoid her and my rear wheel slid dramatically from beneath me and I very nearly came off.

Trying hard to keep my temper I carried on my journey, her following me. When we got to the roundabout down the road, I was taking the third exit. She cut me up on the inside line, driving as fast as she could, got in front of me and slammed on the brakes. Again, I swerved but didn't lose control of the bike thank god.

As we both came off at the same exit, she opened the throttle and attempted to drive off. I don't know how on earth she thought a citroen c4 could outrun an SV... so I rode along next to her, beeped and indicated for her to pull over. She ignored me.

We came to a set of traffic lights, so I pulled up beside her, slammed on her window and shouted at her to get out of her car. She ignored me.
Fuming, I was so tempted to kick in her door or key her car or something. But instead I kept my cool and let her drive off.

Many cars around us saw what she'd done and indicated to me that they'd seen.

Still fuming.

My question is, what would you have done if you were in my position? Did I make the right choices?

[daveyrach]

Did you take the reg number, report it to old bill, you can prob do it over the phone as there was no collision and they may check local traffic cams if you have times and locations etc.

Worth a punt, you have nothing to lose.

[TCochrane]

Just got off the phone with my local police and unfortunately because I didn't take note of her registration, and they don't have access to the CCTV footage recorded in that area nothing can be done. So I guess she got away with attempted murder unless one of the other witnesses reports it.

[Milky Bar Kid]

Why the hell did you engage in that sort of confrontation? She tried to blast away and you followed her and pulled up beside her and banged on her window?

*shakes head*

[TCochrane]

Why the hell did you engage in that sort of confrontation? She tried to blast away and you followed her and pulled up beside her and banged on her window?

*shakes head*

The way I saw it, she had attempted to knock me off my bike twice by that point and I wasn't happy about it. I wanted to know why she'd done that.

Like if someone attempts a hit and run on someone, I wouldn't let them attempt to run, I don't feel it's right, I needed an explanation as to why she did what she did to me.

[Milky Bar Kid]

And by doing so you continued to put yourself in danger.

You should have taken a mental note of registration and let her drive off.

[TCochrane]

Ok thanks for your opinion.

[Elliott]

In the heat of the moment everyone gets red mist.

Just ignore people as they tend to tell you to ride like a saint when even they would do the same.

[Milky Bar Kid]

In the heat of the moment everyone gets red mist.

Just ignore people as they tend to tell you to ride like a saint when even they would do the same.

Dealing with this kind of incident is what I do. It's well publicised that I am one of the orgs "plumbers". So excuse me if I'm the one who has to go and tell a parent their son has died after a road rage incident resulting him getting knocked off his bike.

[Bibio]

after the second time and depending on my mood/seriousness of event i would have either

A. stayed well the feck away from her

B. at any given opportunity smash feck out the car and her if she got out.

endanger my life and i will do the same to you... simples

[Wideboy]

I would have smashed the **** out of her car also tbh. However, I have kicked someone's door in for doing this and despite me having a witness I was threatened to be done for criminal damage and the driver was let off, but there had already been an impact with my bar end the first time he turned into me as I lashed out after the second. So everything was dropped. Certainly done a good job to 2 of his doors :cool:

Everyone suffers red mist so hardly worth a flaming

[Milky Bar Kid]

I'm not flaming him but come on guys. You've not got any chance if when she took off and you pull alongside she had just turned into you. Your off. And injured or worse.

Engage brain before acting.

Yes it sounds like she was driving like a first class idiot but that does not mean stoop to her level. Stop, get her reg and phone it in!!

[Mikey10]

Glad your okay :)

In my 3 years of riding I've never had a situation like this yet but my dad seems to get caught up in them because of his job as a bike instructor so he's always got the odd story but seems to stay calm. I'd hope I can do the same but I fear I'd loss it, I'am very calm on the road but something like that would do it for me.

[TCochrane]

Thanks for your feedback guys, glad to know it's not only me that loses my cool sometimes on the road in these sorts of situations

[Elliott]

Dealing with this kind of incident is what I do. It's well publicised that I am one of the orgs "plumbers". So excuse me if I'm the one who has to go and tell a parent their son has died after a road rage incident resulting him getting knocked off his bike.

So the fact your a copper means your mind set is slightly different.

I and most on here are not and as a majority I bet most people would have got the "mist" and given the chance give her a whole heap of ****.

I ride every day down the m6/m60 and I believe if someone endangers me then if I scare them enough they sure as hell won't do it again. I'd never cause physical harm but use appropriate force.

Again this part is just my opinion before you go flaming away.

[Milky Bar Kid]

So the fact your a copper means your mind set is slightly different.

I and most on here are not and as a majority I bet most people would have got the "mist" and given the chance give her a whole heap of ****.

I ride every day down the m6/m60 and I believe if someone endangers me then if I scare them enough they sure as hell won't do it again. I'd never cause physical harm but use appropriate force.

Again this part is just my opinion before you go flaming away.

Oh well.

Try not to waste the rest of the tax payers money then by getting knocked off.

So fed up of the willy waving in this place. I'm out.

[JohnStMartin]

OP , I think i would have done the same as you. Sounds like she was embarrassed at what happened and was angry. (probably lost the game of angry birds she was playing while driving <yes, i have seen this>)

I had a similar experience on my push bike, but like an idiot i took a short cut over the pavement and blocked the road, confronting the driver made them act all sweetness and light like nothing happened. Its strange how much balls you develop sitting in a box... i feel it myself sometimes.

[cb1000rsteve]

The police are a waste of time for this type of thing. I have reported a few idiot drivers before and not retaliated and it ended up with the usual 'we will look into it sir blah blah' translated sorry u wasted the phone call but that would mean doing some work!!! So after the 3rd time reported I just kick mirrors off instead. Might not be correct or the right thing to do but boy it made me feel a lot better!! At least it might make them think next time.

[Biker Biggles]

True that the polis wont take action on a "crime" they didnt see,but equally true that if you attack a car or its occupant while riding a bike you are running the risk of them getting red mist and doing something even more stupid than they did already.Bikers end up dead or in hospital that way.Choice is yours.

[Runako]

Maybe we could have benefited from the "plumbers" tips about how they may be useful in such an incident or perhaps give us an example of when positive action is taken after a motorist has done "the right thing" and simply reported the other driver (rather than react).

I think some of us feel the reporting approach is a waste of time. Its not to advocate confrontation (although this is my nature. You?) but it is to explain why people might feel the need to take this approach. If I felt more bad motorists (cars and motorcycles) were penalised by the authorities then I may be less inclined to react and more inclined to report.

[fizzwheel]

The way I saw it, she had attempted to knock me off my bike twice by that point and I wasn't happy about it. I wanted to know why she'd done that.

But, and its massive one and easier for me to type than to actually do.

1. Two wrongs dont make a right
2. By continuing to engage with the other road user in any shape or form you exposed yourself to more risk.

Sometimes its just better to take a big deep breath and let the moron continue on their way and out of yours.

I'm no saint I have got cross and verbal with car drivers. It got me nowhere as they just got into a rage and you cant reason with somebody when they are in a rage and I ended up very stressed / riding fueled on adrenalin which meant I rode like an idiot and exposed myself to further danger risk, because I wasnt thinking about what I was doing.

Once you retaliate or damage the other persons vehicle, its then easy for the police or the other person to put the blame on you as well.

IMHO ( and I dont always follow my own advice, its very difficult to control your temper once the red mist descends )

[ChrisCurvyS]

Just bear in mind the other thread currently on here-kid beeped at a car which nearly took him out, next thing the driver and his mates in the car chased him for miles trying to run him off the road.

I know it's frustrating that drivers can drive appalingly/ try and kill you with very little chance of any comeback for them but you've got to pick your battles carefully. Call me a coward but if a bloke in a branded company van cuts me up or whatever, I'll give him a beep cos I know he's insured, driving legally, probably wants to keep his job and is highly unlikely to be armed - the worst that's going to happen is a fist fight. If it's just a bloke in a normal car though I avoid confrontation wherever possible as it could be any member of the criminal fraternity and/or his mates and the bats/knives/guns they've got in the car with them-just not worth the risk.

And wing mirrors should only be kicked off tactically-ie while filtering through traffic that your target is stuck in, quickly enough for no-one to get your reg.

[-Ralph-]

On my way home from a lecture at uni just now ( it was raining ) a woman attempted to pull out in front of me from a junction on purpose with no lights or indicators on in poor visibility. I have bright white HID's and a bright orange bike so there's no excuse that she didn't see me. I was going at about 25 - 30mph.

How do you know? Do you think she just has this homicidal tendency towards all unknown motorcyclists?

I think she pulled out on you, got a fright when you swerved past and beeped, then reacted badly to it. I think this simply because I don't believe there are many homicidal women out there trying to kill motorcyclists with their Citroen C4's.

Read these....

http://www.scholarpedia.org/article/Inattentional_blindness

http://www.londoncyclist.co.uk/raf-pilot-teach-cyclists/

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My question is, what would you have done if you were in my position? Did I make the right choices?

You asked the question, here's the honest answer - No.

Never get into a moving conflict with a 4 wheeled vehicle when you're on a motorbike, you have more to loose than they do.

I'll admit I've rapped on a few car windows and given a mouthful in my time, but only once the vehicle is stationary. If you are moving and a driver starts getting aggressive, pull over and let them go, or open throttle and get the f*** out of there.

Also be honest with yourself (I don't care what you post on here) and ask yourself if you gave any provocation for what she did at the roundabout. Did you gesticulate back at her after she pulled out and was following you, etc?

[TCochrane]

-Ralph-

I saw her look directly at me before she pulled out. She had obviously made the decision to pull out into me.

Perhaps I didn't specify this properly, I rapped on her window while we had stopped at a set of traffic lights following the roundabout incident. We were both stationary. I don't ever recall putting myself in any immediate danger.

As your last comment:
No, after my swerve, I drove on as normal, 30mph in a built up area, I never made any gestures to her APART from the initial beeping of my horn to warn her of my presence as she pulled out - which I might add is the correct use of my horn.
This is my honest truth, you may think what you want about whether you believe me or not but you only have my word.

Following that, she then drove in front of me on the roundabout and braked heavily where there was no obstruction in front of her. She then continued to ignore me and never apologised or even paid me any attention after that.

[fizzwheel]

I saw her look directly at me before she pulled out. She had obviously made the decision to pull out into me.

Not necessarily IMHO, its still quite feasible that despite her looking directly at you. Or you thinking that she did. She didnt see you and pulled out not realising you were there.

Then she got the fright of her life and reacted badly / poorly to the situation she found herself in.

[-Ralph-]

I saw her look directly at me before she pulled out

I've been riding motorcycles for over 20 years, that means nothing. Her eyes looking straight at you does not mean her brain has registered the fact you are there.

Read the links I posted, understand that at junctions it's very likely a car driver hasn't seen you.

I'm giving information and advice that is intended to help you. Whether or not you listen to it is up to you.

Like Milkybarkid I'm going to unsubscribe from the thread now, as I know somebody on this thread who thinks they know better will start bitching and to be honest I can't be bothered with it.

Good luck & keep it rubber side down. ;)

[-Ralph-]

Perhaps I didn't specify this properly, I rapped on her window while we had stopped at a set of traffic lights following the roundabout incident. We were both stationary. I don't ever recall putting myself in any immediate danger.

You specified that perfectly. But maybe you need to revisit your re-collection of what happened whilst you were moving. You should have got yourself the f*** out of the situation after what she did at the roundabout.

As we both came off at the same exit, she opened the throttle and attempted to drive off. I don't know how on earth she thought a citroen c4 could outrun an SV... so I rode along next to her, beeped and indicated for her to pull over.

[ChrisCurvyS]

Also bear in mind - in the dark a twin headlight bike like an SV can look like a car in the distance at first glance.

Woman pulled out on me for what I think was that reason on the way home tonight-saw her coming a mile off though so had already lost a lot of speed and planned my escape route.

[Fallout]

Dude as much as this sucks she obviously wasn't trying to kill you. It's a piece of pish to take someone off their bike. She is probably completely incapable of good driving sense and judgement (hence forgetting lights and indicators) and pulled out on you because she wasn't concentrating, has no concept of speed or distance and is also self important and doesn't care. After you honked rather than accepting her fault she went mental because of her complete retardation and lack of getting any sex at home. Then on the roundabout she could've had you off easily if she was behind and came past. What she is is an utter turd of the highest order who was just 'having a go' when she braked and was trying to retaliate and pish you off for being so rude as to use your horn when she almost killed you.

Basically a pathetic specimen of gutter slime, incapable of rational thought or accepting her faults, especially when at the wheel of her car, which she finds incredibly difficult to master and therefore is constantly on her period when driving it. But she probably didn't mean to kill you! You can't change these people. You just have to get on with your own life and hope that their gene pool dies off as soon as possible.

[speedyandypandy]

soft person vs. hard shell, didn't we learn from the Brasilian youtube video about girls behind the wheel?
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Joking aside, I know what red mist does, the missus can witness to silly things road rage can do(guilty), this sort of thing happend to me, the 5'small" mid age man came out of the car fuming after he didn't stop when I had the right of way, I stod up, 6'4" bike leathers and everything, he left sillent after asking for an apology and denting his own car door.

[TCochrane]

Firstly, I'd like to repeat that I sounded my horn in the first instance to make her aware of my existance and that she was about to hit me.

I understand why people may be disappointed by my actions of keeping up with her and demanding an explanation however if you were in my position, could you honestly say that you wouldn't repeat my actions.

We all seem to know the 'right' actions to take. I.e. Back off after the 2nd event and just note down her numberplate... But once the 'red mist' descends on us ( which we're ALL prone to ) logic just kind of flies out the window.

As an explanation to her actions -
I have read -Ralph's- comments and sources and understand she may have unintentionally not seen me, and for some reason unknown decided she wanted to punish me for.. I don't know what on the roundabout.

Anyway, I find solace in what Fallout said, thank you, I agree :) my feelings towards her are extremely low.

Thanks for your comments guys

[NTECUK]

Don't put your self in danger.
They have a very dangerous weapon.
Yes you have cause to be angry.
But if she had a mind she could have mamed or killed you .
Life is precious . Your realise it when your older .

[Bootoo]

Have to say, I would like to think I wouldn't have lost it with her but I probably would have! & I am female too!
We aren't all bad drivers ;)

[SIII]

I had a road rage incident against me when first started riding, noted number of the car in my head, said it over and over for 5 miles till i got to the local cop shop, walked in repeating it, officer on desk understood and wrote it down whilst i said reg over and over. Explained the situation to him. He took details. Thought i would never hear of it again until i got a phone call that day to tell me he had given her a 'right bollocking' because there was nothing else he could do, but hoped that i was satisfied!

I know we all want to drag drivers out of there cars and batter them, but as has been said -most likely outcome is you get hurt! You are far too vunerable on a bike to take any kind of aggressive action. You are not going to become their driving instructor, you cannot improve their driving skills, they are not going to give you a hug and thank you for telling them their error of their ways.

Horn should be used as a warning! Not to tell someone off, blast on the horn before the incident (Get a stebel), she would have been calling you a ******! So what!

Deep breath, call them w*****s, shake head, ride on, forget it.

[ClunkintheUK]

Deep breath, call them w*****s, shake head, ride on, forget it.

:winner:

This I find to be the best way to deal. Especially Part two. Though I have come acropper when on my pushbike, articulated my frustration only to realise the knuckledragger's window is open, and I don't have a chin guard to muffle my voice.

[Lozzo]

I have bright white HID's


There's your problem right there. She was probably dazzled and confused by your crap and non-MOT-friendly choice of lighting.

[Messie]

Hear hear. Hate those bloody things, on cars, bikes or cycles. So distracting

[ClunkintheUK]

Call me a coward but if a bloke in a branded company van cuts me up or whatever, I'll give him a beep cos I know he's insured, driving legally, probably wants to keep his job and is highly unlikely to be armed

Unfortunately not me experiance. Still my scariest incident to date was with a branded company van, when he pulled up his van ahead of me and nearly pulled me off my bike/pushed me into an oncoming bus (again on the pushbike).

[Lozzo]

In other news... I've pulled out in front of a motorcyclist before. I didn't mean to, but he was lost in the sea of lights, colours and general hubbub going on around me. After I'd noticed him, which was a little late to change my course safely I acknowledged that I had done wrong by mouthing sorry as he went past and putting an open hand up almost as a surrender gesture.

Did that appease him... no! He then proceeded to act like a complete d1ckhead and was swerving all over the road, brake-testing me and generally putting himself in a hell of a lot of danger. I held back as far as possible and didn't inflame the situation as I knew he'd been upset and wasn't thinking straight.

At a set of traffic lights he got off the bike and walked back to my van, thumped the window was kneeing the door panel and started shouting. I wound the window down and tried to apologise but he wasn't allowing me to be heard, so I pushed the door hard against him as I got out of the van and lumped the tw4t full pelt across the side of his lid which sent him off balance, then tripped him up. He was then told in no uncertain terms that I was sorry that I'd missed seeing him, I'd tried twice to apologise and that he was acting the tw4t. He was further informed that any more attempts at violence towards me would be met with me getting medieval on his donkey.

He only really calmed down when I explained that I too was a motorcyclist who commuted into work every day by bike, did approx 20,000 miles a year and owned 4 or 5 bikes at the time. I told him everyone makes the occasional mistake and most of us are sorry and show it - that's when he apologised to me.

I'm not proud of it, I think I was a d1ck for not looking properly, but my view is that anyone who loses their temper in a road-rage situation deserves any pain they get.

[Bordtea]

After attempting to knock me off on purpose, especially more than once, I'd probably follow her home and give her car a good seeing to tbh

[Spank86]

I'd have vanished quicker than Joe Marcon racing a lambo, long before she got the second chance.

[NTECUK]

There's your problem right there. She was probably dazzled and confused by your crap and non-MOT-friendly choice of lighting.

Read "matters of testing " Lozzo ???

[NTECUK]

If it makes you feel any better a 56 plate Alma cut up the inside of me as I exited the roundabout yesterday then swung across in front up the slip road in the rain .
That was in the Volvo lights marker lights on.
Just let them crash futher up the road .

[Runako]

I've been riding motorcycles for over 20 years, that means nothing. Her eyes looking straight at you does not mean her brain has registered the fact you are there.

Read the links I posted, understand that at junctions it's very likely a car driver hasn't seen you.

I'm giving information and advice that is intended to help you. Whether or not you listen to it is up to you.

Like Milkybarkid I'm going to unsubscribe from the thread now, as I know somebody on this thread who thinks they know better will start bitching and to be honest I can't be bothered with it.

Good luck & keep it rubber side down. ;)

Name and shame Ralph, name and shame. Disgraceful. Bitching is not allowed here!

[DJ123]

On my way home from a lecture at uni just now ( it was raining ) a woman attempted to pull out in front of me from a junction on purpose with no lights or indicators on in poor visibility. I have bright white HID's and a bright orange bike so there's no excuse that she didn't see me. I was going at about 25 - 30mph.

I beeped and swerved to avoid her and my rear wheel slid dramatically from beneath me and I very nearly came off.

Trying hard to keep my temper I carried on my journey, her following me. When we got to the roundabout down the road, I was taking the third exit. She cut me up on the inside line, driving as fast as she could, got in front of me and slammed on the brakes. Again, I swerved but didn't lose control of the bike thank god.

As we both came off at the same exit, she opened the throttle and attempted to drive off. I don't know how on earth she thought a citroen c4 could outrun an SV... so I rode along next to her, beeped and indicated for her to pull over. She ignored me.

We came to a set of traffic lights, so I pulled up beside her, slammed on her window and shouted at her to get out of her car. She ignored me.
Fuming, I was so tempted to kick in her door or key her car or something. But instead I kept my cool and let her drive off.

Many cars around us saw what she'd done and indicated to me that they'd seen.

Still fuming.

My question is, what would you have done if you were in my position? Did I make the right choices?


What was your road position at the junction when she nearly pulled out?

those incidents could have been avoided with planning ahead and good riding techniques.

Trying to confront her is going to scare the crap out of her and make her want to get away and drive like more of an idiot.

Your on a bike, she's in a car. Why risk it?

[yorkie_chris]

I'm not proud of it, I think I was a d1ck for not looking properly, but my view is that anyone who loses their temper in a road-rage situation deserves any pain they get.

Which is why any communication to other road users in any form needs to be carefully considered. Whether that is head shaking, horn sounding*, criminal damage, removal of keys**, foul language, whatever. I have no respect for the red mist, you should learn to keep control. You need to consider possible escape routes, police presence, your knowledge of the area, everything.

Not that I'm not advocating booting cars, punching people in the face, removing mirrors or even smashing someone right through the window with a massive D lock for being properly homicidal (was quite funny in retrospect...) but engage brain and stay out of the way before doing a proper job of it or not!


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Horn sounding, f***ing waste of time. If you had time to use the horn and were close enough for them to hear it then you had time to avoid them normally. Plus if they hear it and you get by (in which case there was probably a gap for you anyway!) then they will think you are using it as an admonishment and take it as provocation... as seen here!

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Funny as. If they're stupid enough to wind the window down you can get in for their keys and flip them into the back seat or a hedge depending how much of a c*** they've been.

[chezvegas85]

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Horn sounding, f***ing waste of time. If you had time to use the horn and were close enough for them to hear it then you had time to avoid them normally. Plus if they hear it and you get by (in which case there was probably a gap for you anyway!) then they will think you are using it as an admonishment and take it as provocation... as seen here!


Disagree here - you have more experience than I and so I may well be talking tripe (disclaimer).

On my ride home the other day/night from work (7pm - dark early now obviously) a guy pulled out on me from stationary on a minor to major in a well lit area blah blah. l had low beam on as you'd expect and I reckon he either didnt see me, or just didnt look. A combination of emergency braking, use of horn and swerving got me around him. He stopped ½/¾ of the way across the lane and that left me around a foot or so to spare. Don't think he would of had i not sounded my horn. My options had he not stopped would of been: hit the side of his car, hit the raised curb on my left at a glancing angle and then probably the back of his car, hit the traffic island in the centre of the road a metre or so behind the junction, or hit the oncoming vehicle a few metres behind the traffic island. I was doing 30mph (limit for the road, which is a reasonably steep decline) and it had been raining shortly before. Perhaps someone more capable than myself could of swerved around the island onto the oncoming traffic and then back in before hitting the inbound vehicle in a 'moto gp' double overtake/stunt style, but I certainly wouldn't of chanced it.

^I was in a queue of same way steady moving traffic and perhaps got lost in amongst them, although I do leave enough room to be seen behind cars. Quite possible that i may of been partially at fault, all happened a bit quick to be sure, but I still think the horn may of given me that extra foot or so of space

[acting_strange]

TOTAL waste of time...the police will do NOTHING.....sorry sir it's your word against theirs.....I can't tell you how many times I have had this said to me...

Better off kickicking the doors in...

[ChrisCurvyS]

In other news... I've pulled out in front of a motorcyclist before. I didn't mean to, but he was lost in the sea of lights, colours and general hubbub going on around me. After I'd noticed him, which was a little late to change my course safely I acknowledged that I had done wrong by mouthing sorry as he went past and putting an open hand up almost as a surrender gesture.

Did that appease him... no! He then proceeded to act like a complete d1ckhead and was swerving all over the road, brake-testing me and generally putting himself in a hell of a lot of danger. I held back as far as possible and didn't inflame the situation as I knew he'd been upset and wasn't thinking straight.

At a set of traffic lights he got off the bike and walked back to my van, thumped the window was kneeing the door panel and started shouting. I wound the window down and tried to apologise but he wasn't allowing me to be heard, so I pushed the door hard against him as I got out of the van and lumped the tw4t full pelt across the side of his lid which sent him off balance, then tripped him up. He was then told in no uncertain terms that I was sorry that I'd missed seeing him, I'd tried twice to apologise and that he was acting the tw4t. He was further informed that any more attempts at violence towards me would be met with me getting medieval on his donkey.

He only really calmed down when I explained that I too was a motorcyclist who commuted into work every day by bike, did approx 20,000 miles a year and owned 4 or 5 bikes at the time. I told him everyone makes the occasional mistake and most of us are sorry and show it - that's when he apologised to me.

I'm not proud of it, I think I was a d1ck for not looking properly, but my view is that anyone who loses their temper in a road-rage situation deserves any pain they get.
This is an important point - though generally much more aware and more observant than 'cagers', shock horror us bikers make mistakes too and I'm sure there have been cases of bikers knocking off other bikers while driving cars/vans.

As soon as people show remorse for a near-miss and apologise as Lozzo did it should end there. A guy once nearly took me out after barelling onto a roundabout at high speed, while on his phone at the same time.

I stopped with my front wheel touching his door and a hulk of a bloke in the car behind who saw the whole thing got out and was ready to do him in - prob a biker himself or had been behind this idiot for a while. However as the chap was apologising profusely and clearly terrified, I told him to leave it.

I'm sure we've all got friends/relatives who are awful drivers (know I have) and I wouldn't want them being physically attacked - some people's brains just aren't wired for it and the Highway Code soon becomes a distant memory. Save the anger for people who wilfully put you in danger then stick two fingers up at you afterwards.

[Swin]

My commute home through London gives me a brake test more or less every week - I can understand the feeling in the heat of the moment that you'd like to do some damage to the driver, or their vehicle, but I personally shout a few obscenities into my lid and carry on with the journey - as has been said before, reacting to the situation can just put you in more danger than the original driver error caused you