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Fallout
14-11-12, 08:19 PM
No, it's not like the 5 second rule where you are allowed to drop a Cornetto onto a steaming cow pat and pick it up and eat it, so long as you do it within 5 seconds. No, it's not that. I'm talking about the 10 year rule.
The 10 year rule (or 10,000 hour rule) states you can completely master something in 10 years. I saw a cartoon a while back which illustrated it really nicely and broke it down, showing someone can have a good 7 life times and master 7 different things if they apply themselves. It's completely possible to die having produced several brilliant paintings, recorded an album, built a motorbike from scratch, got your pilots license, and maybe perfected a few foreign languages.
I find this really inspiring. If I choose a craft now (within my IQ ... I'm not going to choose particle physics), and practice at it day in day out, in 10 years I could be a master at it. I've never painted before but I could pick up some water colours and a canvas tomorrow and start my quest to paint an amazing landscape by the time I'm 40. Or I could take up a martial art and be a completely lethal ninja. All it takes is practice.
So the question is, what would you really like to be a master at in 10 years time? Maybe you can motivate yourself to start now.
dizzyblonde
14-11-12, 08:29 PM
I would love to be a Wing Chun master....or maybe a master horse whisperer
Thats never going to happen!
So, I'll stick with riding a bike, only got two more years left ;)
widepants
14-11-12, 08:33 PM
getting a relationship right
Spank86
14-11-12, 08:35 PM
No.
You can master some things but a guy with no arms is never going to master the piano.
I believe you could spend 10 years and become an artist in the sense that you could make accurate renditions of still life's, but not that you could become an amazing painter like the great masters.
Specialone
14-11-12, 08:36 PM
Pianist
Or a motorcycle control expert who is a ninja also.
I can whisper to horses now btw, it's easy.
Spank86
14-11-12, 08:37 PM
Just think how good I'll be on a bike in ten years if that's really true!
You can master some things but a guy with no arms is never going to master the piano.
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go to 2:10 in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qut0Nrsiw
Well I passed my bike test 5 years ago so I must be half way to becoming a motorbike gp rider
widepants
14-11-12, 08:40 PM
then u get older and slower and your reflexes dissapear up ur jacksie
Spank86
14-11-12, 08:41 PM
go to 2:10 in... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1Qut0Nrsiw
Come back to me when he can play rachmaninoffs piano concerto no.2 :p
Specialone
14-11-12, 08:42 PM
then u get older and slower and your reflexes dissapear up ur jacksie
That's true, I used to be half decent at call of duty, can't seem to keep up these days :(
Spank86
14-11-12, 08:44 PM
I never really had reactions anyway.
I just trust to luck.
Biker Biggles
14-11-12, 08:51 PM
Im already perfect at everything
Currently doing a ten year course in lying.
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Teejayexc
14-11-12, 08:57 PM
That's true, I used to be half decent at call of duty, can't seem to keep up these days :(
:smt019
andrewsmith
14-11-12, 09:04 PM
Mastering the 12" Pianist ;)
Fallout
14-11-12, 09:05 PM
No.
You can master some things but a guy with no arms is never going to master the piano.
I believe you could spend 10 years and become an artist in the sense that you could make accurate renditions of still life's, but not that you could become an amazing painter like the great masters.
You've missed the point Ad. I'm not saying in 10 years you can be the best in the world at your chosen task, I'm just saying you can master it. You can know almost everything about it. In 10 years you won't be a millionaire from your art, but you could be good enough to sell it, perhaps paint portraits professionally, or maybe contracted to do some other form of art, or perhaps be recognised enough to display at local galleries etc. if that's your bag. Not really my area of interest though, so hard to get excited about it.
The point is not that if you do something for 10 years you'll be amazing. If you ride a bike for 10 years, you won't be amazing at it. You'll just be experienced. But if you go to a track every day for 10 years, pushing yourself as hard as you can, you may not be a motoGP rider but you'll be faster than anyone else you ever meet on the road .... accidental meets with motoGP riders excluded!
But reading the comments so far, I'm not surprised to find them joking or negative. Most people are either uninterested in being good at something, or are too lazy to dedicate themselves to it, or lack the confidence to think they're capable of it.
When you look at say, an amazing guitarist, do you see talent? Do you see something you could never do? I don't. I see someone who spent their youth practising every night. Anyone with fingers and half a brain could be an amazing guitarist if they practised every night for 10 years. It just takes dedication.
widepants
14-11-12, 09:08 PM
Mastering the 12" Pianist ;)
oh look , the "sneak it in the thread" pervert is back.
he couldnt master a bate
Spank86
14-11-12, 09:14 PM
You've missed the point Ad. I'm not saying in 10 years you can be the best in the world at your chosen task, I'm just saying you can master it. You can know almost everything about it. In 10 years you won't be a millionaire from your art, but you could be good enough to sell it, perhaps paint portraits professionally, or maybe contracted to do some other form of art, or perhaps be recognised enough to display at local galleries etc. if that's your bag. Not really my area of interest though, so hard to get excited about it.
And my point was that you could become an expert in things that require knowledge but where stuff needs natural talent you'll hit a stumbling block.
You could write and learn about writing for 10 years but still be producing absolute dross nobody wants to read, and or simply never be published because you just don't have talent.
When it comes to becoming a guitarist, I suppose you could become a master in the sense that you'd rote learned a lot of songs and practiced till you could play them perfectly but I don't consider that the same as mastering the instrument anymore than I'd consider the ability to copy out the works of j k Rowling would make you a writer.
Spank86
14-11-12, 09:19 PM
Actually I've just remembered my grandad is a case in point.
He practiced playing the piano and then electric organ almost endlessly and ill never forget him having the beat playing at one tempo, swaying not in time to in at another and somehow playing notes completely out of time with either.
Now that was a talent, but not in a good way.
tigersaw
14-11-12, 09:20 PM
theres hope for me eventually mastering changing a quilt cover without either ending up inside with it or it all a big shape on the floor then
dizzyblonde
14-11-12, 09:21 PM
But reading the comments so far, I'm not surprised to find them joking or negative. Most people are either uninterested in being good at something, or are too lazy to dedicate themselves to it, or lack the confidence to think they're capable of it.
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I wasn't joking :(
In seriousness, I am extremely fond of horses, I would love one day to pop across the pond and sit within a herd of wild mustangs, my dream is to own one. You never know what life throws at you, so maybe both might happen.
As for Wing Chun, I am unfortunately pretty broken, and my bendiness has gone a bit stiff over the years. I did do Tai Chi for a while, found it most exhilerating.
Most take the pee if I talk about the things I'd like to do in life. Yer lucky I shared it, and as usual on here, the eejits took the pith :smt019
I've been playing guitar for over 25 years btw .....and I'm flippin rubbish!
i have been playing the guitar for 37 years and i'm still crap.
Thunderace
14-11-12, 09:31 PM
Been on the beer pretty much constantly for the last 10-12 years, I'm a master at that!:mrgreen:
carelesschucca
14-11-12, 09:34 PM
i have been playing the guitar for 37 years and i'm still crap.
and how long have you been riding motorbikes?
;)
Fallout
14-11-12, 10:03 PM
You could write and learn about writing for 10 years but still be producing absolute dross nobody wants to read, and or simply never be published because you just don't have talent.
This is where we disagree. I don't believe in talent. Yes, I believe some people have an aptitude and can learn quicker, perhaps because of physical make up or how their brain works. I also think the older you get the harder it is (as Grandad found out!), and starting young when you're a sponge is going to work out best. But I don't believe in this mysterious thing called talent which means you can magically do something others cannot.
In the case of writing, it's all about life experience, knowledge of language, and experience with books. I bet half of the best fiction writers alive now write sentences based on ones they've read from other people, perhaps subconsciously. I bet they draw on experience from where they've been, what they've seen and feedback from many years of people reading their stuff. All that has taken many years and has sculpted them and given them the knowledge and tools to be creative.
Language is similar to music in that it's formulaic. Music is maths. Language is based on rules. There are a thousand ways to write a sentence which describes a shoe. If you spend an entire day writing a description of a shoe, you'll eventually home in on one that's brilliant. That's the dedication.
All art is plagiarism in some sense. I bet Van Gogh had idols and mimicked them as he learnt and then drew on his own inspiration along the way to come up with his own style. If you develop the ability to exactly copy Van Gogh and the techniques he used to make his paintings, then all you need to do is apply those techniques to something else and suddenly you could be seen as special.
And I'm not saying that's easy. I'm saying if you painted every day for 10 years, read books and learnt about techniques, took lessons etc. you could.
I wasn't joking :(
Being broken is a fair argument! I'm not saying everyone can do everything (see Spanks argument about no arms and a piano! :) )
i have been playing the guitar for 37 years and i'm still crap.
I've been playing 15 years and so am I, but neither of us played every night for 4 hours for 10 years! We drank and ate pies instead. :p
You've missed the point Ad. I'm not saying in 10 years you can be the best in the world at your chosen task, I'm just saying you can master it. You can know almost everything about it. .
Do you really thing someone can 'master' or know almost all there is to know about neuroscience, astro-physics, molecular biology etc in the space of 10 years on a foundation of no basics whatsoever?
On the 10 year rule theory, everyone would be competent to perform brain surgery or fly to the moon if you give them that period.
Maybe it's just me, but I personally don't think so.
yorkie_chris
14-11-12, 10:29 PM
But reading the comments so far, I'm not surprised to find them joking or negative. Most people are either uninterested in being good at something, or are too lazy to dedicate themselves to it, or lack the confidence to think they're capable of it.
I don't think it takes 10 years, I think it depends what you're doing.
In "Chickenhawk" Bob Mason reckons that the most dangerous helicopter pilots were the ones around 600 hours... pretty experienced but just enough to think themselves experienced and so a liability. At 1600 hours they were at one with the machine...
On a bike who knows, I'm getting slower. Then again half the time I'd rather go diving so my time on the road isn't practicing for proper riding (i.e riding like a tw*t)... it's just riding.
tigersaw
14-11-12, 10:29 PM
Whats the rule when you should throw things away if you have not used them in a while - is that the 10 year rule also, or the 5 or the 2 or 1?
I've still not unpacked everything after moving 6 years ago
widepants
14-11-12, 10:32 PM
does that work for the misses.If you've not done it for years can you bin them?
andrewsmith
14-11-12, 10:35 PM
does that work for the misses.If you've not done it for years can you bin them?
Your not doing it right then ;)
widepants
14-11-12, 10:36 PM
better than doing a "joshwalker"
:toss: I'm a Master baiter, had 35 years practice at least now ;0)
Coat, Taxi !
widepants
14-11-12, 10:38 PM
bit late richie...people have been dropping hamshank jokes on here all night
told you... I don't disappoint :0)
I'm a total ****** :0)
andrewsmith
14-11-12, 10:41 PM
and sex jokes for a week ;)
Master of the fleshlight to Richie? No wait thats the Navy
and how long have you been riding motorbikes?
;)
on and off for 28 years most of the time off on my arz :rolleyes:
least my nickname don't involve me crashing :smt019
Fallout
14-11-12, 10:45 PM
It's not time period and subject specific. I reckon you could master picking your nose in a day, and it may take longer than 10 years to master the hidden art of telekinesis. The point is if you get off your **** you can be amazing at something.
Ahh well. It's an inspirational thought to me anyway, but admittedly it's far easier to dismiss it and carry on being crap to average at everything you do. There's nothing like dying with that feeling of regret that you never reached your potential. :P
@Tigersaw - Bin it all!!! :D
I'd like to be a master of puppets.
BanannaMan
15-11-12, 05:35 AM
You may discover you have more talents than you knew.
You can develop those talents, but you can't learn talent.
No amount of practice will make you a Rembrandt or a Mozzart without talent.
Having had the opportunity to ride on the track with the likes of Freddie Spencer, Kevin Schwantz and others I can tell you, no amount of money or track time will put you in the cass with these riders. These guys are awesome!!!
And there are certain things certain people will never be able to do, no matter how hard they try.
Why? because they simply don't have the talent for it.
does that work for the misses.If you've not done it for years can you bin them?
Years?
I think it should be 2 weeks, tops.
Sir Trev
15-11-12, 07:54 AM
It's not time period and subject specific. I reckon you could master picking your nose in a day, and it may take longer than 10 years to master the hidden art of telekinesis. The point is if you get off your **** you can be amazing at something.
Depends on a person's definintion of amazing but I agree. Practice relentlessley at something and you can become really good at it. Some people may not think it but if the individual is happy that's irrelevant. My daughter is taking her grade 8 piano at some point soon after 10 years of lessons and practice and she gets great enjoyment from playing something well. Her jamming and composition skills are poor but it does not dull her enthusiasm and by comparison to the vast majority she's very accomplished.
I am surprised nobody has suggested you take up wleding Fallout, so that ten years from now you can be good enough to mend your frame...
Fallout
15-11-12, 08:16 AM
hahaha! That's a ball bag shot if ever I heard one!
I'd like to learn to weld actually, just not enough to make it my next project. The shed is holding fine with glue and hope and that's good enough for me! :)
Playing the piano is definitely my one
Owenski
15-11-12, 08:52 AM
Woman sits next to me at work she's been doing the job for 14 years (as she regularly reminds me)... she still cant do the bloody basics though so I'll take the 10years to master is as a bit of tongue and cheek.
Although if playing the game then I'd love to be knocking up bespoke wooden furniture, the sort of thing getting a 20k price tag so I need only make 2 a year to be very happy.
dizzyblonde
15-11-12, 09:01 AM
I suppose asking what people would like to master in ten years, is a little like asking what people see themselves doing in ten years time. A lot of people have pie in the sky dreams, but not a lot of people have imagination to execute them.
We have a plan, and although its one step forward, ten steps back at times, we are committed to making our life turn from dream to reality.
I know a lot of folk with big ideas, and they still wander aimlessly through life. I may seem to wander aimlessly, but I've acheivrd rather a lot, and will carry on doing so :)
Fallout
15-11-12, 09:10 AM
Woman sits next to me at work she's been doing the job for 14 years (as she regularly reminds me)... she still cant do the bloody basics though so I'll take the 10years to master is as a bit of tongue and cheek..
It doesn't come for free! I bet the lazy cow has never truly applied herself in all her 14 years. :p
Doing something for 10 years isn't enough. You have to dedicate yourself to it. Best example for me is my guitar. Had one since I was about 14, and still pretty dire at it. I'm not going to blame my lack of talent or make up some other excuse. I just never put in the hours. I kept telling myself learning new techniques was too much effort rather than sticking with it. I wasn't dedicated. :rolleyes:
Fallout
15-11-12, 09:13 AM
I'm really tempted to spend my next 10 years becoming a best selling fiction author, just to **** Spank off.
Dicky Ticker
15-11-12, 09:20 AM
Being in my seventh decade[decayed] mastering the art of waking up and breathing is most beneficial:)
Spank86
15-11-12, 10:50 AM
I'm really tempted to spend my next 10 years becoming a best selling fiction author, just to **** Spank off.
I could see you managing to become an excellent fiction writer in 10 years (if you ever stuck with anything that long), but becoming a published author is a lot harder unless you want to include self publishing.
Then again, you could just write a warhammer book or something like the twilight novels, no need to even be a good writer if you do that.
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 03:10 PM
When I was a teenager I would self-publish 2-3 times a day sometimes.
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 03:25 PM
I agree with Fallout here. Yeah, there are some things where physical limitations can be an obsticle. And others where "Talent" is a great help. But taking the example of the moto GP riders, bear in mind they have and do practice many hours a day, from when they were very small in most cases. They still have wizened jedi bike masters coaching them. I think the difference here is not talent, but dedication at an early age. The difference is also they are prepared to take greater risks.
They say Senna and Schumacher were the first to show up in testing and the last to leave at night. Most of the other drivers would do a couple of target laps, go sailing for the day, then come back to test the car in the evening.
Look at loads of the great guitarists. I have seen many say in interviews that they were loners as kids, and would just play guitar because it made them happy. A summer of doing nothing but play guitar will go a long way to giving you "talent". (the one exception to this I can think of is Buddy Rich, the drummer)
I think I have a talent for maths rather than languages, but really its because I found maths interesting when I was young so paid attention in lessons, couldn't give a flying monkies about being able to buy a train ticket to lyons.
On this line, I would really like to be able to program. This is my next project. (please watch this space as some feedback on early projects will be very appreciated.)
Spank86
15-11-12, 03:43 PM
But did they get good only because they practiced or did they practice because they had natural ability?
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 03:59 PM
Dunno, ask them. Or maybe ask their parents if they were any good when they started.
Fallout
15-11-12, 04:06 PM
I agree with Fallout here. Yeah, there are some things where physical limitations can be an obsticle. And others where "Talent" is a great help. But taking the example of the moto GP riders, bear in mind they have and do practice many hours a day, from when they were very small in most cases. They still have wizened jedi bike masters coaching them. I think the difference here is not talent, but dedication at an early age. The difference is also they are prepared to take greater risks.
They say Senna and Schumacher were the first to show up in testing and the last to leave at night. Most of the other drivers would do a couple of target laps, go sailing for the day, then come back to test the car in the evening.
Look at loads of the great guitarists. I have seen many say in interviews that they were loners as kids, and would just play guitar because it made them happy. A summer of doing nothing but play guitar will go a long way to giving you "talent". (the one exception to this I can think of is Buddy Rich, the drummer)
Very well put sir. :cheers:
But did they get good only because they practiced or did they practice because they had natural ability?
However difficult or easy they found it to learn, they stuck at it and worked their plums to the nub.
Whatever you think of my music, I think we can agree it is at least 'accomplished'. I started dabbling in that when I was 15. I spent many years writing utter garbage. We only found things like Boetus the Foetus amusing because (a) it had funny voice samples in it and (b) it was called Boetus the Foetus! :mrgreen: It was utter crap. And then I went through more years of being very mediocre. People with no taste at all thought it was good, and anyone who listened to the genre and was discerning thought it was rubbish.
Then after maybe 8 years of doing half arsed music I produced a few tracks that people really liked. Even people who listened to dnb all the time liked them. Eventually I started getting comments like "you should release an album" and "why aren't you signed?". Then I got some tracks on vinyl, had that remix played by Pendulum, and my alias popped up in a few places.
None of that was talent. That was 8+ years of writing music in my bedroom for entire evenings at least 3 or 4 nights a week. Whenever you lot were out on the lash on a friday night, I was at home with headphones on, learning sequencers and sample manipulation and synthesisers.
I've spent just as many hours if not more learning game development. From an outsider it may initially seem like talent, but it's forgoing everything else to do something I find interesting, learning it bit by bit and building up skills. I think a lot of our mates think I magic this stuff out of my ****, but your weekends when we were growing up were a drunken haze, while mine were spent staring at a computer screen switching from music to game development to porn from 8am to 2am, with one poo break and lots of bags of doritos. :mrgreen:
Anyway, that's why I think we can all be good at stuff. You just have to find something you're passionate enough about to stick at it.
I think everyone has varying degrees of natural talent, Remember the kid that always got picked last and ended up in goal. Equally there were those that got picked first because of their natural (good) ability. Its not till the PE teacher started to coach the good, the bad and the indifferent that those talents became focused and new skills were learned that would compliment the natural skills. Some could take onboard those skills, and others couldn't and didn't progress.
And then you add in the dedication needed to refine those skills.
I don't agree that every lad could be a top footballer but there is a talent/skill in all of us that can be refined. Even the fat kid that always came last may well now be a top heart surgeon. But whatever that inherent skill it would still need coaching, and/or dedication and practice to take it to the level of master.
Spank86
15-11-12, 04:14 PM
I do agree that theres a lot of things we could all master in either ten years or less, but I think theres some things that need more than practice.
Your ability with music for instance, I think the practice allowed you to produce the good music and translate your ideas effectively to reality, so in that sense yes its work and anyone with an ear for music (which is most people) could do it if they put the time in. But in another there is the talent there which allows you to hear what you want in your head and create things which I think is a bit different and cannot necessarily be learned.
Although hearing lots of music helps.
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 04:14 PM
switching from music to game development to porn
I have one thing to say to that:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-TA57L0kuc
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 04:35 PM
Then why do China and India produce hundreds of thousands of good engineers every year, even in proportion to their population, and many western country do not produce anything like the same number. Do they have genetics in their favour giving those coutries a propensity for engineering talent? or is it because they as a nation drive the development of the next generation of engineers, making them work 14-16 hour days, week in week out to learn it all? If its genetic, where were they 20 years ago?
Also I would say the difference you are talking about is the difference between creativity and ability. The creativity gives you the inspiration and a reason to sit there weekend after weekend. Ability is what you get from sitting there weekend after weekend practicing.
Taking the examlpe of Senna again. They said at an early age he had an obvious talent for driving, but this can easily be looked at that he was passionate about it early, that he took the risks early and found the edge was further then the other kids realised. He said he most enjoyed the first rivallry he had in karting, because it was racing for racings sake. That strikes me as passion more than talent. He wanted to go out there as fast as he could, and constantly re-evaluated how he drove, what he could do better.
Also let me ask you this, how many people have you met who are really passionate about something who have no talent at it. who are utter rubbish. (apart from people who discovered the passion recently.)
Also let me ask you this, how many people have you met who are really passionate about something who have no talent at it. who are utter rubbish. (apart from people who discovered the passion recently.)
I know a top Lacrosse player who's mad about golf. And 15 years later he's still stuck on the highest handicap available. He's had loads of lessons and practices often but he's still cwap. But when you see him running around a Lacrosse pitch you wouldn't believe it was the same guy... whatever it is with golf, who knows, but he still can't get it.
well i'm really passionate about fly fishing and have been since my dad taught me when i was 8 but to this day i still can't double haul a fly line. i can cast a line 30 yds but it takes a bit of effort where if i were able to double haul it would be more like 40+yds with ease.
well i'm really passionate about fly fishing and have been since my dad taught me when i was 8 but to this day i still can't double haul a fly line. i can cast a line 30 yds but it takes a bit of effort where if i were able to double haul it would be more like 40+yds with ease.
Ecky thump Bib! A 40yd+ fly fishing cast is some going.
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 04:57 PM
OK you got me there. I have never met someone like that.
I have met loads of people who say they love such and such. They may even do it quite a lot, but maybe don't put in the practice on the boring parts. Or never really look at what they are doing, and how they can do it better, just ingraining bad habits. Though from the sounds of it, this guy is the exception.
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 05:00 PM
Bibio, have you stood on the bank of a lake (or wherever one goes trying to catch flies) and practiced over and over again untill it works? Gotten your old man, or someone else who knows how to do it to look at what you are doing and help correct it?
i can cast a full line down to the backing with the single haul which is pretty good and well above average but for some reason i can't get my hand and arm to haul on the forward stroke. i have tried for yearsssssss and have been taught but i still cant do it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8idd4kgXY4
Spank86
15-11-12, 05:29 PM
Then why do China and India produce hundreds of thousands of good engineers every year, even in proportion to their population, and many western country do not produce anything like the same number. Do they have genetics in their favour giving those coutries a propensity for engineering talent? or is it because they as a nation drive the development of the next generation of engineers, making them work 14-16 hour days, week in week out to learn it all? If its genetic, where were they 20 years ago?
But there again, we have engineers who can disassemble and reverse engineer stuff and build things, what about the designers.
Ten years to be an engineer I can see, ten years to be an engineer who creates new things, an engineer who's an inventor and designer, that takes something more than just repetition.
I know a guy who's madly passionate about music and has been for years but cannot play an instrument or sing a note. He goes into a studio and humms stuff which the producer takes and turns into music. The guy has music in his head but no other way to get it out. Not sure if that's lack of practice or because he doesn't have the ability, don't know him personally.
dizzyblonde
15-11-12, 05:30 PM
Surely standing on a beach and lobbing it as far as possibly can will achieve this?
I learned to cast out with a small telescopic rod, later in my early childhood I learnt how to cast on my dads beach caster.........tiny girl could lob it a mile further than dad:mrgreen:
He always reckoned if I went on a river it would go right over it and into a field....or tree!
ClunkintheUK
15-11-12, 06:02 PM
Reverse engineering is a skill in itself.
Coming up with the original idea is creativity. Fully agree you cannot learn creativity. Also there they are so focussed on teaching the engineering side. And taking the idea or concept and making it work is one heck of a skill. I do see the point that they are only truely masters if they can be given the problem and make it work.
widepants
15-11-12, 06:10 PM
Surely standing on a beach and lobbing it as far as possibly can will achieve this?
I learned to cast out with a small telescopic rod, later in my early childhood I learnt how to cast on my dads beach caster.........tiny girl could lob it a mile further than dad:mrgreen:
He always reckoned if I went on a river it would go right over it and into a field....or tree!
Are you on about Bibs? Fly casting is differant in that it relies on the weight of the line rather than a weight on the end of it.
dizzyblonde
15-11-12, 06:57 PM
Are you on about Bibs? Fly casting is differant in that it relies on the weight of the line rather than a weight on the end of it.
Well I don't know, thought fishin were fishin, not been since I was a kid :)
Just lob it as far as you can, and hope some gull doesn't come for yer bait mid flight! That thing was nasty, didn't much like being dragged across the water and up the side of Brid dock, to be man handled by a bunch of folk trying to help it!
widepants
15-11-12, 06:58 PM
A brick is your friend in that siuation
Spank86
15-11-12, 06:59 PM
A brick is always my friend.
I should get some more friends :(
xXBADGERXx
15-11-12, 07:11 PM
I have had an Xbox Live account for 10 years .... I still suck at games online
theboatman
16-11-12, 09:50 AM
On a bike who knows, I'm getting slower. Then again half the time I'd rather go diving so my time on the road isn't practicing for proper riding (i.e riding like a tw*t)... it's just riding.
Since when did getting pushed off a boat count as diving? That's all I saw you doing, well ok, so you drank a little too... ;-) still no diving of any description, can missy bird vouch that you dive or are you just getting old?
yorkie_chris
16-11-12, 10:15 AM
Since when did getting pushed off a boat count as diving?
Pft course it does, one more and I can have it as a PADI speciality
theboatman
16-11-12, 10:31 AM
Pft course it does, one more and I can have it as a PADI speciality
Speaking of PADI specialties... Here is something I might master in the next 10 years:
http://www.hydrapro.co.uk/PADI-Tec-Skin-Diver.pdf
keith_d
16-11-12, 02:41 PM
Hmm out of every ten years I spend 3 years sleeping, waste another two working and two more drinking & talking b*****ks. At this rate I'll never get the hang of anything before it's too late to be any use.
BigBaddad
16-11-12, 06:22 PM
Would this make Professor Brian Cox "Master of the Universe"
Spank86
16-11-12, 06:44 PM
No, that's my job.
xXBADGERXx
16-11-12, 08:59 PM
Hmm out of every ten years I spend 3 years sleeping, waste another two working and two more drinking & talking b*****ks. At this rate I'll never get the hang of anything before it's too late to be any use.
Aaah this explains why Dave Preston still hasn`t got the hang of being a Human Being as he sleeps a lot , pretends to work ...... a lot , drinks a lot .... and don`t even get me started on the sheer amount of testacleeeese that he talks =; :D
He's an expert in the latter, certainly.
I think everyone is getting hung up on the 10 years thing, when the important figure is the 10,000 hour one - what that is saying is that 5 years of full-time usage (8hrs a day) gets you to the deeper understanding required for mastery of the subject. Is there anything that anyone out there has spent that much time on?
andrewsmith
16-11-12, 09:44 PM
Is there anything that anyone out there has spent that much time on?
Re-think that statement ;)
xXBADGERXx
16-11-12, 09:46 PM
Is there anything that anyone out there has spent that much time on?
Playing Guitar ................ easily exceeding that amount of hours over the last 22 years , I play less now as I have a fairly good mastery , but in the early days I put some serious hours in
Shawthing
16-11-12, 11:23 PM
http://www.anjar.com/vid2/Othello_Pressman_tv_480x360.jpg
Spank86
16-11-12, 11:56 PM
Is there anything that anyone out there has spent that much time on?
Possibly either self gratification or drinking but I still have a lot to learn on both.
I have heard of the 10,000 hour rule. To fit 10,000 hours worth of practice into 10 years you would have to be doing/learning you'r chosen subject for about 3 hours EVERY DAY.
Apart from that, I agree with you on this concept. Most top end sportsmen/athletes where doing their chosen sport all day everyday from the minute they left the womb. If Lewis Hamiltons dad was really into fencing I'm sure Lewis would be one of the top UK fencers.
Every day I walked home from school little Rory McIlroy would be outside his house chipping golf balls into an upturned umbrella, EVERY DAY. That is why he is world class, not because of a magical talent gene.
The main problem is people have lots of ideas and dreams but never enough dedication to act on them. Pick you'r number one desire, concentrate all your focus on that desire and not the doubt that surrounds it, then put the hours in and you will achieve your goal.
Fallout
18-11-12, 07:52 PM
The main problem is people have lots of ideas and dreams but never enough dedication to act on them. Pick you'r number one desire, concentrate all your focus on that desire and not the doubt that surrounds it, then put the hours in and you will achieve your goal.
Well said that man! :cheers:
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