Ar 2013

[Thunderace]

So just thinking, we seem to be able to organise a decent rideout at the drop of a hat, what's the feeling towards a GM organised AR? Do you think us bunch of reprobates are capable?

We have until 15th December to tender our proposal.

So hows about a Wednesday pub meet to throw some ideas around?

[Spank86]

Can't do this wed, have to wait in for fallouts mrs.

[Fallout]

It sounds like a cool idea in theory, but I can guarantee at least a few things:
1. It will be a lot of work to organise. You need to be extremely thorough.
2. You won't please everyone and you'll get knee deep in AR politics, which I've heard is a horrible place to be.
3. You personally won't get to enjoy the event because you'll be too busy organising it!

But having said all that, I'd be happy to help out if we wanted to organise one.

[Spank86]

Gotta say I have thought about this.

My thought was that I'd want to go to at least one more before plunging in at the deep end, there's a lot to sort out judging by the last one.

[Thunderace]

Where, who, when, how and why. That's about it surely!

I organised Javelin Rally on me tod last year, granted it was just one day so no camping was needed, but I did manage to organise a recovery vehicle, food, entertainment, a ride route, and some auto jumble, nearly 400 peeps turned up and it was an awesome day!

BTW this was in Germany, over half the peeps that turned up were German and my Deutsch is hardly fluent!

Stopping random German bikers at petrol stations and handing them a poster written with the aid of google translate did get me some funny looks I can assure you.

[FG1]

As said previously, you are entering a place only a few dare tread.......
You could however settle for a mini AR. How about a couple of nights camping with a rideout on the Saturday.
TVSF, remember them?, had a few succesful weekend camping trips so I wouldn't rule it out.

[Tomor]

Lots of planning and many pub trips to sort it out. Could be on to something here..... :D

[Kilted Ginger]

Go for it guys, its actually not that complicated, decent campsite, decent route, job done.

[orose]

Just to back up what KG said - it's only as difficult as you make it. It helps if you've done full-weekend events before, but it certainly isn't essential.

[Fallout]

I would say let's organise something but not label it the AR. Forget the AR. Just doing a large scale GM meet with everyone invited is exactly the same thing without bringing the pressure of it having to live up to a load of other ARs and 'do the annual event justice'. Labelling the event the AR would be like calling your son Adolf Hitler; he's still your son, but he's going to get off on a bad foot.

Call it the Guildford Massacre, just to feck off the Scots! :D

[DJ123]

I agree with Fallout. Make it a 'mass' ride out with a national invitation. All you need is a pub with a field next to it, and a route for a ride out. Plus it gives you a bit more time to plan it and flexible dates.

[Sir Trev]

Another "club" I'm in does this - a natioanlly organised annual rally but lots of camping weekends organised by local centres or anyone else that feels like it. Works very well. If a GM camping weekend works well you can consider stepping up to the AR for the year after.

[NTECUK]

The Bidding for the AR all Hush hush .
Plan yours .If its not selected just Post it as national invite.
All you need is good roads,Good markers some fluro vests and a camp site .
2nd man marking is not so hot on big ride outs and having pepes with local road knowledge make for a better pace.

[Fallout]

Not sure if we should let Gav be a marker though, seeing as he tends to pull into people's drive ways then fall asleep with his arms flailing in every direction. Those shapes should be confined to the dancefloor only, and probably not a dancefloor any of us would ever like to visit.

[Wideboy]

Look, you said to mark and I marked!

Actually its kudos to me, two people went the wrong way and got lost, then after a quick montage of me working out and doing slow motion round house kicks whilst going "eeeuuulllllggfhhhh!!!" I then harnessed the power of grey skull and used my local knowledge to round them up and deliver them back to the group that was 10 miles away. Didn't see you doing that Mr " sexually confused whine about everything crap bike"

[FG1]

But, the thing about marking is that you don't go and get the ones who messed up. If you see somebody screw up you wait til the tail end charlie turns up and then wait until the plonkers realise they aren't goint the right way and turn back. That way, everybody can stay together, albeit with a brief wait at the last junction for a while, or even a long wait ....lol

[Wideboy]

I did, I didn't move until Nath had gone past the right way. Then in engaged hyper drive.

It was that damn tom causing all the problems again, I think he should be forced to buy my breakfast for eternity

[FG1]

Lol, fair play then. I can't judge as I went the right way so don't know the full circumstances......
Anyway, it all adds to the day.

[Wideboy]

Everyone survived to make it home and no bums were fiddled with so in all a good day


Anyway, what area are we thinking of? Taking in the meon? Don't know of any campsites around loomies sort of area but there are a few MX tracks, some might know of a local pub with a rally field or something. I think a pub in close proximity is essential just in case the weather doesn't play ball.

[Sir Trev]

Anyway, what area are we thinking of? Taking in the meon? Don't know of any campsites around loomies sort of area but there are a few MX tracks, some might know of a local pub with a rally field or something. I think a pub in close proximity is essential just in case the weather doesn't play ball.

A pub with a field is ideal. Of all the club camping trips I did you can relax more if you're not conscious of disturbing other punters on a site. If they have a function room for a band/disco then all the better.

Might be an idea to check with branches of one-make or national clubs in the area to see what sites they favour. Getting some feedback on facilities and attitude of the owner/publican would give a head start.

[Thunderace]

So It look s as if it's gonna have to be a GM weekender with an invite to the entire Org with lot's of notice so folks have time to make themselves available.

Good roads "check",

Road knowledge? MMMM may take some working on, although we do have Dad, Job and Grandaddyjob if he can be persuaded? Even I am starting to get my bearings round here, second man marking could be used as a last resort, but outriders do make for a swifter pace, that does of course mean they need to be swifter than the pack.

We need a pub/cafe meet to discuss this properly, otherwise we'll wear out our keyboards typing, and if the discussions for a GM Weekender are not to be derailed by hundreds of posts, best to keep it off the forum until we have a plan.

[Viney]

Hang on. What's happened with the GM? There was no one in here a few months back and now there's talk of a GMAR. Excellent. We can all camp in DD's back garden :-D.
However, as said it's nit east and there is a bit of work, but is a good experience. Do it

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[Thunderace]

Hang on. What's happened with the GM? There was no one in here a few months back and now there's talk of a GMAR. Excellent. We can all camp in DD's back garden :-D.
However, as said it's nit east and there is a bit of work, but is a good experience. Do it

I would love to flex some GM muscle and show what we can do, but alas so far it seems the rest of the GM are not so keen.:(

Apparently organising the AR is the kiss of death, don't know why people have this view, but they do.:confused:

The suggestion of a GM weekender is a good one and may alleviate the concerns of the less confident GMers if we put on a good weekend and they see how easy it is to organise a rally.

Alas some of the ideas I've had would be better used as part of something a little larger than a GM plus a few camping weekend.

[Thunderace]

I agree with Fallout. Make it a 'mass' ride out with a national invitation. All you need is a pub with a field next to it, and a route for a ride out. Plus it gives you a bit more time to plan it and flexible dates.

Isn't that the whole premise of the AR?

[Spank86]

I think there's a campsite behind the Neptune (formerly the Percy Hobbs) at the end of the 272 at Winchester.

Not sure where else.

[Tomor]

Isn't that the whole premise of the AR?

yes but we arent calling it the AR, more of the GMR

[Thunderace]

At West Meon there is a pub, Loomies, a burger van and all surrounded by fields and good roads, all we need to do is find out who owns the fields surrounding Loomies.

I have a mate who's could organise some live bands for a nominal fee or at a push free, I also have some ideas for some entertainment that will be saved for face to face discussion as they would have to be kept under wraps so to not spoil the surprise!

We have our resident route planners, Mark and Job, once we have a route planned the "lunatics" could ride it a few times to get it down pat and then be outriders on the day.

Now that is 5 min of planning! Imagine what we could tender by 15th Dec?
Also we would have months to make sure those plans bear fruit!;)

[Thunderace]

yes but we arent calling it the AR, more of the GMR

Why not? lets go for it!

[Tomor]

i am up for it, dont mind being an outrider, may just have to swap a vital part of my bikes electronics ;)

[Bordtea]

i am up for it, dont mind being an outrider, may just have to swap a vital part of my bikes electronics ;)
Just keep the bloody thing out :D

[Tomor]

Just keep the bloody thing out :D

clearly no respect for the law. I am ashamed of you! :D ;)

[NTECUK]

I have a mate who's could organise some live bands for a nominal fee or at a push free,

You have to be careful with music choice.
What you thinks cool might be C**p by others.

[Bordtea]

clearly no respect for the law. I am ashamed of you! :D ;)
Surely your restriction period is finished soon? :dj:

[Tomor]

a year

[Thunderace]

You have to be careful with music choice.
What you thinks cool might be C**p by others.

Well aware but thanks. If your expecting chart toppers you will be disappointed, but we are talking good bands that are very flexible and are happy to do requests.

And of course all whingers would be sent to have a little chat with the attitude adjuster, I think Gav would be ideal.

[Tomor]

pub to discuss then? Jam, you got your job back yet?

[Thunderace]

Definitely! If it gets discussed on the forum we will have everybody's wants, needs and opinions to compete with, but this will be a proposal from the GM, if anyone else want's to organise the AR they can tender too, they won't be able to not post and leave us to it.

[Fallout]

And of course all whingers would be sent to have a little chat with the attitude adjuster, I think Gav would be ideal.

That's the problem with making it an AR thing mate. 50% of this forum are whingers, many GMers included! An attitude of "I'll do it my way!" will **** a lot of people off, especially those that wanted to arrange their own AR and got outbid. You really have to be 100% conservative so as to appeal to all, and the pace cannot be rapid because a lot of people on this forum are newbies, slow or simply very law abiding.

This is why I think it'd be better to just do a rideout weekend in our own style. Then we can set our own rules and make it clear from the outset so only people who like the cut of our jib and swing of our danglies come along for the ride! :)

[dirtydog]

Hang on. What's happened with the GM? There was no one in here a few months back and now there's talk of a GMAR. Excellent. We can all camp in DD's back garden :-D.
However, as said it's nit east and there is a bit of work, but is a good experience. Do it

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Ian, do you not remember the size of my back garden? Could maybe fit a couple of 2 man tents in it!

Isn't that the whole premise of the AR?

Nath, if you want to put in something for the AR then go for it! What you could do is a stripped, back to basics AR. Field, pub and a route as youve said above.

[Thunderace]

OK all opinions noted. Lets wait till we can get together to discuss it.;)

[Wideboy]

I think there's a campsite behind the Neptune (formerly the Percy Hobbs) at the end of the 272 at Winchester.

Not sure where else. good shout, good location (if its the place I'm thinking of, on the rounderbout?). Easy access for those travelling from afar 5 mins and one road form the M3, then the 272 right outside the carpark.

At West Meon there is a pub, Loomies, a burger van and all surrounded by fields and good roads, all we need to do is find out who owns the fields surrounding Loomies.
this would be another good location. It seems that the bloke that owns the property behind loomies is into bikes, if its still the same guy he used to have a MX track... also the field next to loomies carpark seems to have some lad on a crosser milling around in it but i think the field is ploughed?.

off the top of my head i can't think of any campsites in that area but it does ring a bell of one being in or outside langrish? also the 7 stars pub in langrish/stroud is a big well established pub with fields behind it, maybe they own the fields?

As for people whinging its quite simple.. If you don't like the sound of it then don't come, the event should be catered for the majority not because you need a certain leaf colour in the area to help keep you off the heroin. It's about friends, banter, bikes and booze simple as that. I'd certainly enjoy it regardless of the numbers.

I'm happy to help if i can and I'm up for a meet to discuss (provoding i can make it).

[Spank86]

And if you do need a certain leaf colour then we'll just provide the heroin instead.


And everyone's happy.

[Fallout]

As for people whinging its quite simple.. If you don't like the sound of it then don't come, the event should be catered for the majority not because you need a certain leaf colour in the area to help keep you off the heroin. It's about friends, banter, bikes and booze simple as that. I'd certainly enjoy it regardless of the numbers.

Agreed, but AR is all about numbers. It's for the whole forum, which is why I say ditch the AR title, do what we want, and like minded people we'll enjoy riding with can come along. :)

[fizzwheel]

As the others have said, It only gets complicated if

You try and organise to much stuff.
You try and please everybody all the time.

Keep it simple and stick to the basics and you wont go far wrong.

[DJ123]

Right, so where is this meet happening to discuss plans of this national event?

[Mark_h]

The weird "cup of tea" pub in the middle of those mental roads round Hungerford way. Surely he's got access to a field or two :)

Unfortunately no chance of ever finding it again and we'd have to explain to Spank's mum why her son is a strange smudge two thirds the way up a tree!

[Spank86]

It would be fine, I'd just take the s4 and all would be well.

[Thunderace]

The weird "cup of tea" pub in the middle of those mental roads round Hungerford way. Surely he's got access to a field or two :)

Unfortunately no chance of ever finding it again and we'd have to explain to Spank's mum why her son is a strange smudge two thirds the way up a tree!

You tit, I just cried laughing!:D

@daddyjob, did start another thread to get ideas for a meet!;)

[sam anon]

As said previously, you are entering a place only a few dare tread.......
You could however settle for a mini AR. How about a couple of nights camping with a rideout on the Saturday.
TVSF, remember them?, had a few succesful weekend camping trips so I wouldn't rule it out.

MMMMMMM, TVSF camping trips. :smt060:pukel::smt071:smt028:riding::eye::)

[FG1]

LOL @ Sam's comment.
It would appear that the goings on at the last one killed it a little. Lets help the GM boys with their camping weekend.
Good to see you on here again btw.

[Wideboy]

LOL @ Sam's comment.
It would appear that the goings on at the last one killed it a little. Lets help the GM boys with their camping weekend.
Good to see you on here again btw.

Oooww what happened? Any juicy gossip?


and I just remember I was at the TT this year and AR clashed with it, I'm all booked up to go again next year aswell

[FG1]

Sorry, not for me to tell.

[Wideboy]

Drats! And double drats!!!!!!

[Thunderace]

Check your PM inboxes!;)

[Fallout]

Check your PM inboxes!;)

Ugggh! Posting us all porn. You sicko.

[Thunderace]

ugggh! Posting us all porn. You sicko.

well pm me back!

[DJ123]

Make up your mind Thunderace, is it a GM planning meet or Dogging this weekend :smt014

Either way, i'm there

[Spank86]

Our meets are usually both aren't they?

[Thunderace]

Still waiting for Mark and Simon to reply but looking good so far!:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040:

[Fallout]

I thought we were leaving all discussion for the pub meet? Make up your mind!!! :-P

[Thunderace]

A PM to acknowledge your understanding of the text is all I'm after! Calm down dear!:smt019

But yes' details hammered out in person and put pen to paper!;)

[-Ralph-]

Get it sorted and call it the AR.

It needs stripped back to basics.

Campsite
Route (with petrol, stops, lunch)
Markers
Local pub that serves food

That's all it needs.

If people want alternative accommodation options all the info they could possibly need is here (http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=accomodation+near+guildford)

If people want music to their liking, this is it sorted already
(http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html;jsessionid=F973D86519CC89CCE6168C38A54A049F ?_sacat=0&_from=R40&_nkw=portable+ipod+dock&_nkwusc=poratble+ipod+dock&_rdc=1)
Oh, and of course you need an email address for any complaints

dontlikeitdontcome@go****ingspinonsomething.com

[Thunderace]

Finally someone gets it!

Cheers Ralph, took quite some convincing to get this lot on board but they are nearly there now.

[Fallout]

I think we were all always on board for organising a mass rideout camping weekend, you fool!

[-Ralph-]

Quick tip, incorporate out of town supermarkets into your route. The car parks can cope with 100 bikes arriving at once, they can cope with 100 bikers going in to buy lunch, they have toilets and they have petrol.

[Thunderace]

I think we were all always on board for organising a mass rideout camping weekend, you fool!

Easy there idiot boy! I suggested doing the AR and your immediate reaction was.......

Refer to post 3

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=187271

If we want to go camping, then pick a campsite fill the bike and go. I wanted to do the AR it was you lot that were less than confident at the outset!

[Fallout]

Ahh, that was my point. I'm still less than confident about doing the official AR!!! :-P

[Spank86]

As am I.

Especially as I've only ever been on one, the instigator has been on none, and is planning on running off to he back of beyond half way through the planning.

[Thunderace]

No I'm not planning on running off! I'll only be 100 miles away and have considerably more spare cash and time so I'll still be down here regularly, And yes not been to an AR, silly me forgot they are unlike every other rally on the planet!

[Thunderace]

Ahh, that was my point. I'm still less than confident about doing the official AR!!! :-P

Then don't help!

[Spank86]

Then don't help!

That would probably make it worse.

[Messie]

No I'm not planning on running off!.... And yes not been to an AR, silly me forgot they are unlike every other rally on the planet!


Er yes they are unlike a rally, because the AR is not a rally! So many of the usual aspects of what people might expect at a rally, are not there at an AR: things such as bands and stalls selling stuff.

The clue is in the title - it's a Rideout, where people can also pitch a tent and stay the night or two.

Unless, of course, your proposal is something completely different!

[Thunderace]

Er yes they are unlike a rally, because the AR is not a rally! So many of the usual aspects of what people might expect at a rally, are not there at an AR: things such as bands and stalls selling stuff.

The clue is in the title - it's a Rideout, where people can also pitch a tent and stay the night or two.

Unless, of course, your proposal is something completely different!

No that is exactly what I was thinking, after some pointer from certain Orgers who shall remain nameless, that is exactly the plan.

Somewhere to camp, preferably near to somewhere to eat/drink and not too far from fuel. A route on good roads with fuel stops. That good for you?

EDIT: If you don't like what we come up with feel free not to come, this is why I said about keeping discussion off the forum.

[Messie]

That sounds grand to me!

However your edit is wholly unecessary. Open thread means anyone can add their thoughts. It was just a bit a friendly advice, hence my addition of unless you decide on something completely different.

[Fallout]

Then don't help!

You need to calm down dear. :smt019 At the moment you sound like a man on a mission. You forget that I (and Spank to a lesser degree) are the cautious types with this type of organisational thing and you need cautious types to keep your twinkle toes on the ground. :smt051 You need both sides of the argument!

Why so keen on hosting the ORG AR and not just a GMR? The positive I see to hosting the AR is higher numbers. To me that doesn't outweigh the negatives, but I will help whichever is decided upon.

Edit: To those previous AR hosters reading this, I'm not dissing the AR. I really enjoyed this years one! I just realise to do something on par would take some work.

[Spank86]

Of course our attempts to organise something may either spur others with a better idea into action or at the worst save the AR from dying due to nobody tendering.

[Fallout]

If nobody tendered then I would definitely say make this the AR. Whatever my reservations, us hosting the AR is better than no AR.

[Spank86]

Also we get to sound like pirates a lot.

Arr

[Fallout]

It's a lot like a scouscer pirate ... eh ARRRR eh ARRRR calm down eh ARRR. etc.

[-Ralph-]

or at the worst save the AR from dying due to nobody tendering.

Absolutely. Somebody new, green and keen, who who doesn't know what they are getting into needs to take it on, 'cos none of us veterans will touch it with a barge pole.

You lot of summer 2012 newbies fit the bill perfectly! :mrgreen:














Just kidding... you'll be fine, go for it ;)

[NTECUK]

The tender for the AR is all hush hush.
So it might be already in the bag.

The success of the AR is its route.
Now that needs thought to include in experienced riders but keep the older hands happy.
You need markers that know the roads can make progress without frightening and upsetting the group .
That's harder than you think.
If you go for a GM ride beer and bite far less pressure is going to be felt .
You can create something more :)

[Thunderace]

Now that is how you should have put it to start with. We know we can organise a bloody good ride route in 5 mins in Loomies car park,

we know we can do a hilariously good fun camping trip with only a month or so to plan.

What can people complain about, the weather (not down to us), the grass under their tent being too lumpy (shut up), ride being too slow (we will have to behave so no body is pushed out of their comfort zone), roads not good enough (I don't think so).

So lets do it why not, surely we won't be the only tenders, us bunch of jonny come lately Orgers don't stand a hope against the more established bods, so lets Tender a proposal and if unsuccessful, just do it for ourselves and send the Org an invite.

[Spank86]

Plus we've got thinker skins than most so whinging will mostly bounce off.

[Thunderace]

Plus we've got thinker skins than most so whinging will mostly bounce off.

That and Gav!;)

[Spank86]

Gavs a big softy really.

[Thunderace]

Gavs a big softy really.

Yeah but while the whiners are busy laughing at him I can knock'em out!

[Messie]

:takeabow::laughat::cat::thumleft::thumleft::thuml eft:=P~:razz:

:flower:

[Thunderace]

That sounds grand to me!

However your edit is wholly unecessary. Open thread means anyone can add their thoughts. It was just a bit a friendly advice, hence my addition of unless you decide on something completely different.

I know it's an open thread the second half of the edit was not for you, tip for friendly advice. If you don't want to come across ****ish don't start with "Er Yes"!;)

[Spank86]

Hmm maybe not. I think there should be less fights than last year.

[Thunderace]

Hmm maybe not. I think there should be less fights than last year.

AWW I likes a good scrap I do!:twisted:

But seriously yes, previous offenders will have to be named so we know just to give them shandy!:rolleyes:

[Spank86]

I don't think that'll be the problem, the ones that jumped me were under 10.

I know it's an open thread the second half of the edit was not for you, tip for friendly advice. If you don't want to come across ****ish don't start with "Er Yes"!;)

Lost cause there old boy.

You know the phrase "you can't kid a kidder", well guess what you can't do to a teacher?

[Messie]

Point taken. Sorry if it came across not as intended ;) xx

[Spank86]

Exception proves the rule?

[Mark_h]

I propose the same 3 strikes rule I applied to my wedding.

Strike 1 = warning
Strike 2 = Opinion no longer counts
Strike 3 = no longer invited.

Mother-in-law was at 2.5 for a while
One of the bridesmaids was well on the way to a 4 (get a slap) but I was overruled

[Thunderace]

I propose the same 3 strikes rule I applied to my wedding.

Strike 1 = warning
Strike 2 = Opinion no longer counts
Strike 3 = no longer invited.

Mother-in-law was at 2.5 for a while
One of the bridesmaids was well on the way to a 4 (get a slap) but I was overruled

Like it! I was toying with the idea that as it would be hosted by the GM that maybe ARCA could be used to preserve order?;)

[Thunderace]

Point taken. Sorry if it came across not as intended ;) xx

No worries!:-D I know I come across quite nasty, but then have a look at the avatar!;)

[dirtydog]

Now everyone just cool your jets! Let's not start the arguing already, theres plenty of time of time for that later! Lol

I think we should keep any talk of ideas and plans off the open forum.

[Tomor]

I think we should keep any talk of ideas and plans off the open forum.

+1 after all we are organising the possible AR not the entire forum :)

[DJ123]

+1 after all we are organising the possible AR not the entire forum :)


But we're 25% of the forum!!!!!

[Wideboy]

I'm a lovable randy sloth really, but i just don't like people whinging it brings everyone down man