EU strikes again

[savage86]

All bikes to have abs after 2016

http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--general-news/motorcycle-abs-compulsory-from-2016/21856.html

i do hate them sometimes

[-Ralph-]

Gimme an H!

Gimme an I!

Gimme an T!

Gimme an L!

Gimme an E!

Gimme an R!

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=187405

[-Ralph-]

Most new bikes have ABS now anyway. Won't make much difference IMO.

[yorkie_chris]

Most new bikes have ABS now anyway. Won't make much difference IMO.

I'd rather keep personal choice in the matter TBH, the same as in the rest of my life.

Expense versus safety benefit, EU has no right to stick it's nose in that.

Emissions... pah... average bike mileage is low, average economy is good and improving. Every change to reduce emissions means worse economy.

[-Ralph-]

I'd rather keep personal choice in the matter TBH

Most of them have a way of switching it off anyway, or I'm sure you'll find the right wire to cut!

[yorkie_chris]

That's not the point it will still add a few hundred quid onto a new bike.

[-Ralph-]

That's not the point it will still add a few hundred quid onto a new bike.

It already has on most of them.

[savage86]

has anyone got the actual report as why this was brought up in the EU and if there was any "research" into why this is a good thing that we need and who carried it out etc??

[Ceri JC]

I do most of my riding offroad these days. You think ABS on road bikes is a contentious issue, you should see how unpopular it is with the trail riding fraternity!

On small capacity dirt bikes, the proportional weight and cost penalty is disproportionately high compared to the big road oriented tourers where it used to be popular through choice.

There's also the factor that ABS #is absolutely lethal offroad where you need to be able to lock the wheels! In terms of it's performance, it's getting better with every passing year, but I've still yet to ride anything with ABS on anything more challenging than a gravel road you could get a 2WD card down and thought the ABS worked well. Even when you can disable it via a switch on the bike's menus, you can guarantee it is re-enabled when you turn the engine off. I know of two people who've crashed as they have gone down a steep descent offroad and forgotten their ABS has re-enabled itself.

Cutting the wires/retrofitting non-ABS brakes is technically possible, but I would be loathe to give insurers that sort of wriggle room. They'll have a hard time claiming your undeclared tinted screen caused the crash. Try the same when the post-wreck inspection reveals: ***TAMPERED BRAKES, ABS ILLEGALLY DISABLED BY OWNER***
:rolleyes:

As Savage says, I'd be really interested to see what evidence they based the decision that this was a good idea on.

FWIW: I'm not someone who thinks they're a Riding God. On an S1000RR I would be nowhere near as quick without ABS/traction control, for sportsbikes and really big tourers (Goldwing, etc.) I personally would choose ABS. It's just that I'd like it to remain that: A choice.

[-Ralph-]

has anyone got the actual report as why this was brought up in the EU and if there was any "research" into why this is a good thing that we need and who carried it out etc??

No there was no research. The whole thing was in contravention of the Treaty of the European Union, and hence illegal.

[orose]

has anyone got the actual report as why this was brought up in the EU and if there was any "research" into why this is a good thing that we need and who carried it out etc??

No research was done. There is an active complaint laid by a MAG member with the EU ombudsman regarding whether the EU commission actually has the legal right to bring in changes, given the lack of evidence to justify the changes and the net impact that implementing the directive would have on safety (I believe the figures are that less than 1% of KSI incidents are caused by improper maintenance or modification, and most of those are tyre failures).

The system was brought in by the EU government to consolidate 15 other directives on Type Approval (no bad thing), so it must be a good thing...

I think the other thread probably has a lot of the arguments and background on it, so it's well worth a read.

Article 13c:
This Regulation aims to lay down harmonised rules for the type-approval of L category vehicles, with a view to ensuring the functioning of the internal market. Lcategory vehicles are two-, three- or four-wheel vehicles such as powered two-wheel vehicles, tricycles and quadricycles. In addition, this Regulation aims to simplify the current legal framework, to reduce the emissions from L-category vehicles, thus resulting in a more proportionate share of L-category vehicle emissions in overall road transport emissions, to increase the overall level of safety, to adapt to technical progress and to strengthen the rules on market surveillance.

[-Ralph-]

This is worth a read too, if your interested

http://www.fema-online.eu/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=299&cntnt01returnid=57

[savage86]

This is worth a read too, if your interested

http://www.fema-online.eu/index.php?mact=News,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=299&cntnt01returnid=57

Good stuff.

I understand the emissions that's the way the world's going.
I understand the thinking behind the mod's. Don't approve.
But what is the reasoning behind the abs they don't stand to make anything from it, no-one really gains a thing from it. If you want it get it. You should have the choice.

[savage86]

No research was done. There is an active complaint laid by a MAG member with the EU ombudsman regarding whether the EU commission actually has the legal right to bring in changes, given the lack of evidence to justify the changes and the net impact that implementing the directive would have on safety (I believe the figures are that less than 1% of KSI incidents are caused by improper maintenance or modification, and most of those are tyre failures).

The system was brought in by the EU government to consolidate 15 other directives on Type Approval (no bad thing), so it must be a good thing...

I think the other thread probably has a lot of the arguments and background on it, so it's well worth a read.

Article 13c:

So more or less they've just chucked it in along with the rest.

[orose]

Pretty much, yeah. I won't mention the fact that the main driver on the ABS issue represents the constituency where one of the big motorcycle ABS manufacturers is based (Bosch, I believe)...

[savage86]

Pretty much, yeah. I won't mention the fact that the main driver on the ABS issue represents the constituency where one of the big motorcycle ABS manufacturers is based (Bosch, I believe)...

Ahhhh so there is a hidden agenda. Wonder how much money was threw about to grease the wheels lol

[-Ralph-]

Why do you think the ABS ruling doesn't apply to 125cc bikes and below? Most price sensitive section of the new motorcycle market. Yet the majority of emergency stops happen in built up areas, due to right of way violation, at speeds a 125 can easily reach. Not to mention the fact there are more of these small bikes riding in built up areas than any other.

Money, money, money! Nowt to do with safety!

[Ceri JC]

Why do you think the ABS ruling doesn't apply to 125cc bikes and below? Most price sensitive section of the new motorcycle market. Yet the majority of emergency stops happen in built up areas, due to right of way violation, at speeds a 125 can easily reach. Not to mention the fact there are more of these small bikes riding in built up areas than any other.

Money, money, money! Nowt to do with safety!

...and who rides 125cc bikes most? The 17-25 group who are:
A) Most crashy.
B) Least experienced.
C) Most likely to benefit from ABS.

:smt101

[Spank86]

D) Most expendable

[MarkB852]

has anyone got the actual report as why this was brought up in the EU and if there was any "research" into why this is a good thing that we need and who carried it out etc??

No there's no research.

There's a bloke bringing a case against the EU based on the fact that they didn't follow their own process on this.

Bunch of clueless, thieving gits if you ask me.

How do I get on that gravy train? :)

Mark