16 months for road racer who paralysed a biker

[ChrisCurvyS]

They'll probably be out in nine...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2237033/Drivers-70mph-road-duel-paralysed-motorcyclist-crash-sped-suburban-street.html

[Roberrrrt]

scumbags

[ChrisCurvyS]

Hate to be a keyboard warrior but if I'd have seen the crash and the way they were driving in the run-up to it, I really do think I would have dragged the f***er out of his car and tried to end his life there and then.

[yorkie_chris]

String em up.

[savage86]

wonder what the punishment would of been had a biker not a car that caused the death. That sentence is a joke.

[ChrisCurvyS]

Yup - even though bikers very rarely harm anyone but themselves.

If you read the full details, they were swerving onto pavements to get past traffic and run red lights. Absolutely mental - properly narrow little residential roads round there too.

[Luckypants]

The sentences seem lenient, but the maximum prison sentence for Dangerous Driving seems to be 2 years (http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/s_to_u/sentencing_manual/dangerous_driving/) so 16 months after pleading guilty is a heavy sentence as you normally get something like 50% reduction for pleading guilty. It seems to be a paltry sentence for an offence that has had such a devastating outcome for the biker though.

However it civil action for compensation etc will reflect the severity of his injuries. I hope it is far in excess of the £25m in the other thread, but he does not have rich parents able to afford top lawyers....

It's cases like this that make folks cry sentences are too light, but remember the max. sentence is two years for DD so not much more the judge could give. Also remember that speeders caught going very fast are often charged with DD when no one was hurt.... imagine your outrage if a biker was given 5 years for speeding if the maximum sentence was higher? Be careful what you wish for.

I hope the victim makes a good recovery.

[LewSpeight]

This guys got his head screwed on ^

[Biker Biggles]

I too will be very interested in the compensation this guy gets.I wonder if it will be anywhere near the £23 million package the unfortunate girl got.
As for the criminals,I cant see why they get a different sentence because the victim didnt die.If he had they would have been looking at six years or so,but for exactly the same bit of outrageous criminal driving they get lucky.

[dizzyblonde]

I too will be very interested in the compensation this guy gets.I wonder if it will be anywhere near the £23 million package the unfortunate girl got.
As for the criminals,I cant see why they get a different sentence because the victim didnt die.If he had they would have been looking at six years or so,but for exactly the same bit of outrageous criminal driving they get lucky.


You know, I was just thinking the same thing. The usual ball park figure seems to be circa 100k for nasty bike accidents, obviously dependant on the severity if injuries. I can pretty much guarantee he got nowhere near 23m, poor fella.

[LewSpeight]

I know a lad who got his leg amputated after a useless woman tboned him on a mini roundabout.. Got payed out just short of 1 mill...

[yorkie_chris]

Also remember that speeders caught going very fast are often charged with DD when no one was hurt.... imagine your outrage if a biker was given 5 years for speeding if the maximum sentence was higher? Be careful what you wish for.

That's the fault of the criminal protection service idiots for charging DD for simple speeding, it devalues the offence.

I think the fact that doing a wheelie in safe conditions (for example) and racing down the wrong side of the road in an urban environment are considered anything like the same class of offence is a serious flaw.

Then again maybe I'm unfairly prejudiced against people called Umair who drive honda civics like c***s, but commuting past Bradistan will do that to you.

[ChrisCurvyS]

That's the fault of the criminal protection service idiots for charging DD for simple speeding, it devalues the offence.

I think the fact that doing a wheelie in safe conditions (for example) and racing down the wrong side of the road in an urban environment are considered anything like the same class of offence is a serious flaw.

Then again maybe I'm unfairly prejudiced against people called Umair who drive honda civics like c***s, but commuting past Bradistan will do that to you.
And on top of that, the law gives no recognition to the vast difference in damage a 170kg bike will do compared to, say, a 2,300kg BMW X5. And drivers of said blingmobiles can drive like utter tw*ts safe in the knowlege that they'd have to be very unlucky to get hurt in a crash with 'normal' vehicles.

Understand Luckypants' point but for me it's not about the tariff set by the judge, it's the sentencing guidelines in the first place that are the issue.

Think the introduction of Ralph's points-based execution system is long overdue...

[disco2]

This is terrible we have all been pr*cks in our cars or on our bikes at some point but doing this is madness and i think they should have been given a lot longer sentence.

Its story's like this that make me think why wasn't i going towards them in my artic when this happened instead of the guy on his bike.

Pound to a penny he would have got his sh*tty little mini out the way of 44 ton.

Rant over......

[timwilky]

That's the fault of the criminal protection service idiots for charging DD for simple speeding, it devalues the offence.

I think the fact that doing a wheelie in safe conditions (for example) and racing down the wrong side of the road in an urban environment are considered anything like the same class of offence is a serious flaw.

Then again maybe I'm unfairly prejudiced against people called Umair who drive honda civics like c***s, but commuting past Bradistan will do that to you.

Strange then that someone who should know, cops to the correct offence
(http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=187468)

[TCochrane]

Horrific.. 16 months after ruining someone's life just isn't enough

[Specialone]

Far too lenient, dangerous driving shouldnt carry too greater sentence as it will make our prisons burst but the offence where there is injury linked because of it, then it should be a longer sentence.

I've done some stupid stuff in my cars over the years, especially in my 20's, looking back I was lucky I didn't get involved in any accidents, but I didn't do stuff as bad as these two.

There is a fine line between going fast and having fun to be a dangerous driver/rider, as LP said, careful what you wish for.

[Fallout]

I know someone who overtook in a car, skidded and had a head on with a woman, killing her. He was in jail for less than 2 years. With that as a yardstick I'd say this sentence seems fair.

Hopefully they are castrated as part of their sentence though.

[dizzyblonde]

They do it a lot on the main road round here. These are Asian youths, who don't care, do it during the day.........outside a school where all their brothers and sisters attend. Thankfully I have witnessed it happening, when behind them whilst on my bike. Thankfully I have been in the Landy when faced with one of them heading at speed towards me on my side of the road. They dont move for you either, so you really have to swerve and hope there's enough room around the parked cars. They usually start at the top of the road following each other, then split and race when they get to small pedestrian island and the road widens for them to race.


It's a disgrace. Putting an enforced 20mph limit isn't going to make a difference either. Just waste tax payers money.


On another note. Maybe its just the men folk, but the phrase 'we've all done silly things', doesn't fit all of us.

[Spank86]

I know someone who overtook in a car, skidded and had a head on with a woman, killing her. He was in jail for less than 2 years. With that as a yardstick I'd say this sentence seems fair.

Hopefully they are castrated as part of their sentence though.

That's a very generous contraction of the tale.

[yorkie_chris]

but the offence where there is injury linked because of it, then it should be a longer sentence.

That's another interesting point though should you be punished less for doing something horrifically dangerous (like this c*ckmonkey here who doubtless has a gold tooth for cosmetic reasons and says "innit" a lot) if you get away with it without hurting anyone?

Or on the other hand should you be punished worse if you do something that's a little bit dangerous but some manic twist of fate kills someone?

[Specialone]

Very true mate, hard one to call I guess.

Same as murder and attempted murder, just cos you're crap at it, should the sentence be any less?

[unclepoo]

The sentence is way too short......but it makes a change from em praying on young white girls, getting em hooked on drugs and pimping them out to all there mates above the curry take away.

[Fallout]

That's a very generous contraction of the tale.

I can't remember all the details. Was it pads sister involved? And did he get out in less than 2 years?

It is very different to this case as it was a moment of stupidity rather than racing down a highstreet, but still an interesting comparison.

[Spank86]

He took his dads High performance TVR a car that he wasn't technically insured on or families with out on a wet day and proceeded to race his mate culminating in overtaking four cars on a stretch of road Nathan would hesitate to do it on. The completion of the manoeuvre was when the car hit the wet leaves coming back in which span it back out onto the opposite side of the road again.


Ad no, pads sister wasn't in the car although I used to know the bird who was.

[Runako]

Will he get £23 mill? No, not unless the other driver's policy covers for this much (standard policies cover far less) and they could bring a civil suit but unless he's rich they would get no money (could declare bankruptcy). Almost certainly the level of cover in the other case was due to it involving a commercial vehicle (with commercial cover).

[Mr Farley]

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[21QUEST]

The sentence is way too short......but it makes a change from em praying on young white girls, getting em hooked on drugs and pimping them out to all there mates above the curry take away.
And the author of the above sounds like one of those idiots we all love....

unclepoo, do not respond to my post, as I have neither the time nor inclination to drop down to your level... many thanks

[Spank86]

And the author of the above sounds like one of those idiots we all love....

unclepoo, do not respond to my post, as I have neither the time nor inclination to drop down to your level... many thanks

If you don't have time to discuss it then dont take cheap shots at forum members.

By doing it you put yourself in a position where the way to their level would be up.

[unclepoo]

The truth isn`t always very p.c. is it.

[21QUEST]

If you don't have time to discuss it then dont take cheap shots at forum members.

By doing it you put yourself in a position where the way to their level would be up.
Good Morning Spank86 ,

Disregarding our obvious difference of opinion on what constitutes a cheap shot, you are quite correct in the point you attempted to make.

All I'd say is, difficult(possibly wrong) choice as as it might be, it can be helpful to point out to authors of racist bile, that has indeed not gone unnoticed.


Best Regards
Ben

[Spank86]

I'm not saying I agree with him.

Statistically it is much more likely that any group of abductors of young white girls will be Asian (when adjusted for relative populations at least) but that's no reason to blame all Asians for the actions of some of their "community".


And I use the word community very lightly, oddly no one ever accuses people with blue eyes as being a community and asks them to apologise for the actions of their blue eyed brothers.

[Runako]

I'm not saying I agree with him.

Statistically it is much more likely that any group of abductors of young white girls will be Asian (when adjusted for relative populations at least) but that's no reason to blame all Asians for the actions of some of their "community".


And I use the word community very lightly, oddly no one ever accuses people with blue eyes as being a community and asks them to apologise for the actions of their blue eyed brothers.

I'd be interested to see where that stat comes from.

But :offtopic:

Bring it back gents

[yorkie_chris]

It might be racist but it's probably true... this c*** after all was driving a honda civic very badly like he owned the place.

From that you can deduce that it was probably badly modified, and probably blaring out some sort of dance or camel "music".

And you can also deduce that if someone is driving a badly modified civic very badly then they are worthless pond life who, crash notwithstanding, should be dragged out of the car and executed at the soonest convenience.

[Spank86]

That's not an unreasonable chain of logic, although I'd hate to take it to court.

It is however something of a jump to equate bad driving and questionable music taste with pimping out young white girls. It's entirely possible that lots of pimps drive very well, after all they wouldn't want to get the police interested in them would they.


I'm just glad I didn't modify my civic when I had one.

[Biker Biggles]

That's not an unreasonable chain of logic, although I'd hate to take it to court.

It is however something of a jump to equate bad driving and questionable music taste with pimping out young white girls. It's entirely possible that lots of pimps drive very well, after all they wouldn't want to get the police interested in them would they.


I'm just glad I didn't modify my civic when I had one.

But are you still pimping out white girls:smt058

Or must I put up with the other sort?:(

[thulfi]

I almost got taken out by an idiot boy racer in his done up little corsa near Asda the other day. The road bends into the parking lot, and he came round the bend at least going 45mph. He was too fast on a left hander so crossed the line and took up a fair amount of my lane. I had to swerve to avoid any chance of a head on. This was at peak rush hour time on a weekday.

But the most shocking thing of all; he was white. Thinking back, the only logical explanation is that he was just another asian dude with a really bad case of vitiligo.

[chezvegas85]

^most boy racers i know are white.

2 years in jail may be a max. reckon it should be at least a ten year driving ban on top

[21QUEST]

I almost got taken out by an idiot boy racer in his done up little corsa near Asda the other day. The road bends into the parking lot, and he came round the bend at least going 45mph. He was too fast on a left hander so crossed the line and took up a fair amount of my lane. I had to swerve to avoid any chance of a head on. This was at peak rush hour time on a weekday.

But the most shocking thing of all; he was white. Thinking back, the only logical explanation is that he was just another asian dude with a really bad case of vitiligo.

I reckon you are almost certainly right.

He was probably in a rush to get the drinks he'd just bought for the young white girls he was pimping, who were already waiting at the curry take away....as he almost certainly had one of his mates booked for them.

Sounds about right to me.....

[yorkie_chris]

^most boy racers i know are white.

Doesn't matter, they should still be taken somewhere quiet and executed if they're being annoying.

Not like they're hard to pick out...

[yorkie_chris]

2 years in jail may be a max. reckon it should be at least a ten year driving ban on top

+1

[Owenski]

Should be removed the PRIVILEGE of EVER having a licence again, a timed ban is disgusting IMO.

I feel for poor lad who's been hit, could have even been a pedestrian who doesn't have the benefit of all the bike gear. They'd be dead for certain and once more than IMO makes the sentence a joke, seriously why do people not respect the value of other peoples lives and behave like this.
Im properly sick of this, its displayed far too frequently for my liking...

[ChrisCurvyS]

As others have said, while there are certain trends and sub-cultures, crime isn't race-specific. Everything you can mention that black/asian scumbags have done, white scumbags will have done it too. It's just that if the 'bad' areas near you are mainly populated by one race, (eg Bradford) it can cloud your judgement because people from that race will generally be behind the crime you see and hear about.

Going back to the boy racer issue - is it me or is there at lot less of them about than there used to be? Dunno if fuel and insurance costs have killed off the 'scene' but you don't seem to see as many modified hot hatches about as there were 10/15 years ago.

[Spank86]

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