View Full Version : Hayabusa buying advice?
Dicky Ticker
11-12-12, 12:50 PM
Lets hope he doesn't run into you on his Busa with a restricted licence then---------he is a ****
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 12:52 PM
Sowwi, i shudnt have retaliated
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
fizzwheel
11-12-12, 12:54 PM
Lets hope he doesn't run into you on his Busa with a restricted licence then---------he is a ****
And you are with respect, just being rude now.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 12:56 PM
Just delete the thread . Theres actually no advice here.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Hey I only asked how he afforded so much fuel! Not hatin' just sayin'.
An itch is an itch! Though I don't condone anyone riding without the correct license, you seem intent on scratching it so go for it. I sincerely hope it's everything you think it will be.
timwilky
11-12-12, 01:07 PM
So is anybody actually going to offer Joe some useful advice in what to look for in buying a used Busa ?
Or are you all going to continue to take pot shots at him as part of some moral crusade to tell hm what to do with his own money and how to live his life ?
In short, if you can something useful or constructive, then perhaps saying nothing at all might be the best course of action.
Edit - I've edited a few posts to remove swearing, insults and attempts to bypass the swear filter...
I think the problem here is very few orgers have genuine Busa experience. There are those who say it is too much bike. But if treated with respect I would guess it is a very capable sports tourer.
Still waiting for the new post from Joe though. If his SV can smoke the odd lambo, I guess his new Busa will be eating all those Veyrons in West Yorkshire.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:13 PM
No veyrons ;) but may have a chance against my dads car http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/11/se7e4y9y.jpg 0-60 2.6secs , 0-100-0 in 9.9secs . Top gear track 1min 9.6 secs ;) .
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:13 PM
http://img.tapatalk.com/d/12/12/11/uda5uqej.jpg
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
fizzwheel
11-12-12, 01:18 PM
Of course sticking to the subject matter / thread topic might also help your cause here Joe...
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:21 PM
I'll sign onto busa forum tonight and get the things i need . Never mind . Only a few told me some facts, but others just sounded abit iffy :s
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Daves busa never let him down . Had it only a short time . Did about 12,000 miles on it .
Did the run to south of France . No issues.
Like you said join a forum and see what they post.
Suzuki quality of finish is to there normal level though.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:31 PM
Ive read about the brake pads being changed as the like wood . And harder springs and that stuff
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Well daves one was standard apart from Tyres D bubble screen and Givie rack .
He dint poodle about on it.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:37 PM
Not that bad then. Id probally do it
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
The R1 he replaced it with he still has .and a bandit 1200 for winter .
Hi did say you don't get the impression of the speed your going .
Naked bikes are best for that if you ok with having you head arms being pulled of over 70mph.
TheRamJam
11-12-12, 01:44 PM
Combatfred has one, so could maybe ask him for some sound advice :)
I've had a go on one. Albeit for only 40 mins. When I first sat on it i thought fook en hell, this thing is massive and very heavy when your sat still. My arms and legs where a lot wider than that of my GSXR 1000.
Its was quite comfy for the short term i rode it and had mirrors you can actually use. Gearbox was super slick, each gear change went in with a positive click and no matter which gear your in the thing just drives relentlessly.
The dash looked like something from the Starship Enterprise and was busy with lights and instruments. Quite a lot to be looking at if your not used to it. I prefer my dash much more minimalistic :p
Strangely enough she's quite agile on the go, the weight seems to dissappear when you start to build up a good rhythm. I seemed to struggle a bit at slow speeds in traffic with her but I think you could get used to that with a bit of practice.
As far as speed goes, its insanely fast. I never opened up the taps that much as it was a supervised test ride but the way it seemed to gather speed was just ridiculous :)
Dicky Ticker
11-12-12, 01:52 PM
Rude ,perhaps just being honest to the guys face and stop him from having a bad accident[God forbid]Changing from a restricted SV to a full blown Busa is a big jump and if his previous posts are anything to go by I personally don't think he has the restraint to cope with the power increase from 33bhp but he can prove me wrong.I just find a lot of what he[Joe] posts needs to be taken with a pinch of salt but in this case I think he is serious. Anybody wanting to give him advice and encourage him is free to do so but it looks like the majority are trying to discourage him,I wonder why-------perhaps we are jealous him getting a Busa,of his free spending and devil may care attitude and complete honesty. NO I don't thinks so,but it doesn't mean I for one don't care what happens to him.
Fizz you can delete ,ban,or do what you like because I don't really care
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:55 PM
Hmmmm.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 01:57 PM
It only seems to be you that has the most against me . Like ive said leave me be . I'll live and learn, life is a learning curve!
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
missyburd
11-12-12, 01:58 PM
Maybe drop a PM to Combatfred on here (if he's still coming on here), he owns a Busa so might be able to give you advice on running costs and such.
Echooooooo
Combatfred has one, so could maybe ask him for some sound advice :)
Have you actually taken our advice and got in touch with him yet Joe?
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 02:00 PM
No but im on to it :)
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
missyburd
11-12-12, 02:02 PM
Maybe link him to this thread while you're at it :)
metalmonkey
11-12-12, 02:03 PM
Go test ride one first, then you know how it feels take it from there.
It might worth savings up on the NCB for a bit longer, you insurance might be a better. We all get screwed on insurance pretty now anyways.
If you want go get it, we might all be gone tomorrow but keep your in the game and don't bin it! If you do get one film it;)
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 02:07 PM
Haha world ends on 21st december any way ;) . It'll be febuary time when i do get one .
Im insured on my mums sv650 atm haha . But weather is dropping so not bothard . Need to sell quad . Gunna buy bike but save for insurance
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
And i didnt ride for a month because i was in hospital diagnosed wi CML, so 9 months .
Im currently onto an 05 naked sv650 now, very boring . I just want a busa because i like speed(sometimes) i would ride steadily because im not stupid enough to jump on one and go stupid . It will build up over time .
Hello mate
Now, I'm not one for taking notice of the ramblings from what seem like armchair pundits. If you want a Busa...get one, why not? It's like like you're going to hoon it all day everyday.
Besides that though, if you're too weak/tired to be working, have you got the strength and mental focus it'd take to keep a bike like a Busa on it's toes all the time? By the way, I'm pretty new on here so fingers crossed for you if you're not already better.
I suppose my point is, is that (nearly) everyone will come out of the woodwork and preach to the choir about how dangerous this, that and the other is. If you feel up to owning a bike like that, and can afford it, I say go for it. But if you're ill and what not...might be worth knocking something like this on the head until you know you're better.
I mean, I don't ride the bike if I feel ill at all...I think to myself "well I'm mentally tired and I'm going to be less observant and slower in my reaction speeds...so that old dear who I'd swerve successfully on a good day might be the one who runs over me when I'm not on the ball"
Knarwarramean?
STRAMASHER
11-12-12, 02:16 PM
RZ models are the choice old ones. Black or white, black classy chassis, nitrided gold forks (for a while anyway!)
I have the same brakes on my other bike. They are certainly not wooden at speed. Normal cutting about I would rather describe them as "initially friendly.":) Not a bad thing when its wet n greasy n gravelly.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 02:45 PM
Hello mate
Now, I'm not one for taking notice of the ramblings from what seem like armchair pundits. If you want a Busa...get one, why not? It's like like you're going to hoon it all day everyday.
Besides that though, if you're too weak/tired to be working, have you got the strength and mental focus it'd take to keep a bike like a Busa on it's toes all the time? By the way, I'm pretty new on here so fingers crossed for you if you're not already better.
I suppose my point is, is that (nearly) everyone will come out of the woodwork and preach to the choir about how dangerous this, that and the other is. If you feel up to owning a bike like that, and can afford it, I say go for it. But if you're ill and what not...might be worth knocking something like this on the head until you know you're better.
I mean, I don't ride the bike if I feel ill at all...I think to myself "well I'm mentally tired and I'm going to be less observant and slower in my reaction speeds...so that old dear who I'd swerve successfully on a good day might be the one who runs over me when I'm not on the ball"
Knarwarramean?
To be honest the bikes make me forget about everything . I love riding because i forget the world . The adrenaline keeps me going . If i was rich i would have done alot of silly things e.g bunjee jump, skydive and that stuff.
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
My 2 pence is this if we all did what we was told there probably wouldnt be any bikes on the road as im sure someone has told all of us not to get one at some point.
I know i have when i got my wee ns125r as a nipper the when i got my mx bikes and then when i went and got my licence (restricted by the way) so i say go get it mate have some fun but be safe as you can.
I to will no doubt end up on something way faster and better than i am but thats life the trick is to be safe and hang on to it.....
Sent from my laptop using my fingers..
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 03:34 PM
Yes i would be very steady till i got the hang of it .
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
yorkie_chris
11-12-12, 03:45 PM
I've shown you some proper roads, big hypersports tourers are less use than a chocolate fireguard round them ;)
Watch out for discs on them, they like to warp. I think there were recalls on rear subframe too on early ones.
I call bull.
Sent from my SV650s using Tapatalk
http://stat.mobli.com/media_stills/media_6798671.jpg
Wind yer neck in lad.
Spank86
11-12-12, 04:13 PM
I ride the sv to its full potential and that gets some hammer, so i wudnt say im a steady rider .
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You can claim that when you meet and are able to stay close behind hong.
I followed him a bit on last years AR and had to drop back despite the speed four arguably being a better bike.
Rokerman
11-12-12, 04:46 PM
Go test ride one first, then you know how it feels take it from there.
There is no way a dealer would offer a test ride on a Busa from someone on a restricted licence.
dizzyblonde
11-12-12, 04:47 PM
Joe
Pegasus is happy to give you any advice you require about this particular bike.
However, he is at work right now, and it will be later this evening.
If you can wait til then, he will give his opinion, as well as why he bought the Z instead.
At least then, you will have been given information from somebody who rides hyper bikes as an all year round vehicle. I should imagine, you will get an extensive, but honest review.
Unless of course Fred comes forward first
yorkie_chris
11-12-12, 04:49 PM
Pegasus is happy to give you any advice you require about this particular bike.
How many has he maintained then :mrgreen:
FWIW... quite nice to work with actually, underneath the acre of plastic, they are (you'd never have thought it!!), just like an early K GSXR, except massive.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 04:58 PM
Sweet, im ready to listen
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
dizzyblonde
11-12-12, 05:06 PM
Sweet, im ready to listen
Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
You're welcome. I'm sure it will be a neutral but fair appraisal. Having ridden rather a lot of bikes, I trust he will gives the answers you may be looking for.
He may not maintain the bikes he rides, but prefers to put his trust in a place 300 miles from home. The Z requires certain tools and expertise. It's not really a home mechanics type of s bike. It's not through lack of brain to do it himself, he's just a very busy man and prefers to pay somebody to do it for him.
hongman
11-12-12, 05:19 PM
You can claim that when you meet and are able to stay close behind hong.
I followed him a bit on last years AR and had to drop back despite the speed four arguably being a better bike.
:mrgreen:
Pretty much sums up my facial expression right now!
You can claim that when you meet and are able to stay close behind hong.
:smt044 joking aren't you, i've seen glaciers move faster than Hong
Ok helpful advice helpful advice.....I bet the Hayabusa would be nice as a sofa in the front room?
HTH
Jackie_Black
11-12-12, 08:11 PM
Hey Lambo Joe.
You know you need to turbo it don't you, looks much more fun and saves on front tyre wear!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3IxSjuMUCE
:smt040
christopher
11-12-12, 08:19 PM
You can claim that when you meet and are able to stay close behind hong.
I followed him a bit on last years AR and had to drop back despite the speed four arguably being a better bike.
I laughed lots at this when I read it earlier.
:smt044 joking aren't you, i've seen glaciers move faster than Hong
More like it, this is truly descriptive of Hong's riding.
Oh this is about 'busas? Go for it :)
xXBADGERXx
11-12-12, 08:24 PM
The rear subrames did develop a crack in the first gen models , they were recalled under warranty and replaced . This earned them the early nickname of "Hedge Abuser" as people with pillions suddenly found the frame would droop and lower their pillion onto the back tyre , affecting the handling somewhat .
Interesting trivia for you , the name Hayabusa was from a Falcon that is from Japan , a relation to our Peregrine . It is reported that they sometimes hunt Blackbirds . Now seeing as the flagship Honda Hypersports is the Super Blackbird , you can see there is a hint of cheekyness going on here from Suzuki :) . This may or may not be rumour fashioned from purest Cackolium , but I like the story .
hongman
11-12-12, 08:24 PM
Dave and Chris.
U smell.
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 08:30 PM
Mmmm turbo.....
Sent from my iPhone
If you get one pop down our way and go see the folks at the Big CC company. They'll do the turbo/supercharger/nitro/swingarm mods you'll need to get 200mph plus.
They may even do a 33bhp ECU for it too....
http://www.bigccracing.com/userfiles/image/Sean%20work%20pictures%20410.jpg
pegasus
11-12-12, 09:02 PM
So, what can i offer to the proceedings,
Well for start I dont know you, and you dont know me.
I am not a mechanic, and I am not a kneesdown pegscraper, however, I can do basic maintenance when i can be bothered, and I can get from A to B quite efficiently no matter what the road, weather conditions are.
I have also ridden on a fairly extensive test ride (300 miles) a Hayabusa, I also took a ZZR1400 on the same route a week later, and after careful consideration opted for the ZZR. At the end it came down to brand loyalty with me, I've always had a soft spot for big bore kwaks, and have done so far approx 100k + just on kwaks with no problems to date, in the last 7 years.
So, how did I find the Busa, well, its extremely awe inspiring, and i always felt i was riding a giant supersport, the riding position is quite crouched for me ( I am 5'10) and the geometry of the handlebars are quite sporty, so initialy I automatically tried riding it like a supersport, big mistake number 1, This thing does not like being treated like a supersport, it shakes its head at anything over 4k revs, as it snakes of down the road trying to scare the **** out of you, (which it will) but hang on a minute there are still another 8k revs to play with.!!! the needle sweeps round the clock so quickly that before you know it your banging on the limiter and its begging for another gear, you change gear, and hang on again for the next few thousand revs, if your lucky the bike will drive forward, if you are unlucky the front will rise, while the rear squirms., then you look down at the clock and you are already doing 3 figures, in 2nd gear, and there is a corner approaching fast, big mistake number 2, I try to take the corner like a supersport, wrong wrong wrong, these bikes demand wide lines, you can not point them into a corner and change mid flow if you are on the wrong line, you have to choose the correct speed and angle prior to commiting. These are a heavy bike and require a little bit of rider effort to get the best from them, but oh my god the rewards are fantastic.
How do hyperbikes cope with everyday riding? in my opinion as good as any other bike on the road, they have road presence, and that is a good thing, they can also be surprisingly frugal avg 45mpg is not uncommon, get it on a long run and watch those figures rise. Be throttle happy and watch it dramatically fall to 12mpg, I use mine fairly regularly and love it, dont listen to what yorkiechris says about them being useless on smaller roads, granted these are not nimble lithe gazelles, but in time you will learn to get the best out of them no matter what the conditions.
Also if you are going to have a serious performance machine like these I would recommend using only the best consumables for them, eg best tyres, best oil, best pads, etc, you get the idea. so be prepared to spend a little money.
I would love to say dont do it to you Joe, but i cant, go get a test ride if you can, a good test ride, try and do the route you know well, and see how tense or relaxed you are during and after it, be sensible and you will be rewarded, be silly and you will be a statistic.
Go for it, but do it properly, good luck
P
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 11:33 PM
If you get one pop down our way and go see the folks at the Big CC company. They'll do the turbo/supercharger/nitro/swingarm mods you'll need to get 200mph plus.
They may even do a 33bhp ECU for it too....
http://www.bigccracing.com/userfiles/image/Sean%20work%20pictures%20410.jpg
Mm 33bhp sounds tempting
Sent from my iPhone
Joe Marcon
11-12-12, 11:38 PM
So, what can i offer to the proceedings,
Well for start I dont know you, and you dont know me.
I am not a mechanic, and I am not a kneesdown pegscraper, however, I can do basic maintenance when i can be bothered, and I can get from A to B quite efficiently no matter what the road, weather conditions are.
I have also ridden on a fairly extensive test ride (300 miles) a Hayabusa, I also took a ZZR1400 on the same route a week later, and after careful consideration opted for the ZZR. At the end it came down to brand loyalty with me, I've always had a soft spot for big bore kwaks, and have done so far approx 100k + just on kwaks with no problems to date, in the last 7 years.
So, how did I find the Busa, well, its extremely awe inspiring, and i always felt i was riding a giant supersport, the riding position is quite crouched for me ( I am 5'10) and the geometry of the handlebars are quite sporty, so initialy I automatically tried riding it like a supersport, big mistake number 1, This thing does not like being treated like a supersport, it shakes its head at anything over 4k revs, as it snakes of down the road trying to scare the **** out of you, (which it will) but hang on a minute there are still another 8k revs to play with.!!! the needle sweeps round the clock so quickly that before you know it your banging on the limiter and its begging for another gear, you change gear, and hang on again for the next few thousand revs, if your lucky the bike will drive forward, if you are unlucky the front will rise, while the rear squirms., then you look down at the clock and you are already doing 3 figures, in 2nd gear, and there is a corner approaching fast, big mistake number 2, I try to take the corner like a supersport, wrong wrong wrong, these bikes demand wide lines, you can not point them into a corner and change mid flow if you are on the wrong line, you have to choose the correct speed and angle prior to commiting. These are a heavy bike and require a little bit of rider effort to get the best from them, but oh my god the rewards are fantastic.
How do hyperbikes cope with everyday riding? in my opinion as good as any other bike on the road, they have road presence, and that is a good thing, they can also be surprisingly frugal avg 45mpg is not uncommon, get it on a long run and watch those figures rise. Be throttle happy and watch it dramatically fall to 12mpg, I use mine fairly regularly and love it, dont listen to what yorkiechris says about them being useless on smaller roads, granted these are not nimble lithe gazelles, but in time you will learn to get the best out of them no matter what the conditions.
Also if you are going to have a serious performance machine like these I would recommend using only the best consumables for them, eg best tyres, best oil, best pads, etc, you get the idea. so be prepared to spend a little money.
I would love to say dont do it to you Joe, but i cant, go get a test ride if you can, a good test ride, try and do the route you know well, and see how tense or relaxed you are during and after it, be sensible and you will be rewarded, be silly and you will be a statistic.
Go for it, but do it properly, good luck
P
Yes im going to take it slow . Brill advice , i wish i cud test ride one but they want u to have interest in buying one . Which i do not have the money for a brand new one . Plus im resticted license so deffo not going to do that. I love the big bike and i will get one . :) thanks alot for your time on writing that. Much appreciated
Sent from my iPhone
chris8886
11-12-12, 11:47 PM
I laughed lots at this when I read it earlier.
More like it, this is truly descriptive of Hong's riding.
so did i! :smt019 sorry hong, couldn't resist!
P.S. sorry for the hijack!
Spank86
11-12-12, 11:56 PM
:smt044 joking aren't you, i've seen glaciers move faster than Hong
I'm more than willing to be corrected.
I'm sure I'll be at AR 13 if you want to show me how an SV ought to be ridden.
I laughed lots at this when I read it earlier.
Maybe he always having a good five minutes but he also looked like he was leaving fallout in the dust on the Wales vids.
Not that that's hard.
yorkie_chris
12-12-12, 09:17 AM
I'm sure I'll be at AR 13 if you want to show me how an SV ought to be ridden.
That soft git will bring a 750...
Maybe we have a kinlochleven daft carry on part 2 now suspension is sorted on his SV :)
Lets change that to.
If You can keep up with Rictus on his 650 single round the twistys .
Then your have respect.
dizzyblonde
12-12-12, 10:34 AM
Yes im going to take it slow . Brill advice , i wish i cud test ride one but they want u to have interest in buying one . Which i do not have the money for a brand new one . Plus im resticted license so deffo not going to do that. I love the big bike and i will get one . :) thanks alot for your time on writing that. Much appreciated
Sent from my iPhone
Glad he could give you some decent perspective on the matter.
Lets change that to.
If You can keep up with Rictus on his 650 single round the twistys .
Then your have respect.
It's quite reasonable, when you are on a litre vtwin, that apparently is geometrically challenged ;) Pays to know how Mark rides, and be comfortable with it. Certainly shows up your riding standards if you can't keep up. Thankfully for me, they aren't too shabby :)
If you go out with him to prove a point, he'll just show you up!
Spank86
12-12-12, 10:39 AM
Lets change that to.
If You can keep up with Rictus on his 650 single round the twistys .
Then your have respect.
I'm working on that one.
Reckon ill have it cracked by summer.
yorkie_chris
12-12-12, 10:49 AM
Certainly shows up your riding standards if you can't keep up. Thankfully for me, they aren't too shabby :)
If you go out with him to prove a point, he'll just show you up!
Trying to keep up with him on one of the hardy bikers, well I was pushing it on the SV, hard. I could just about keep him in sight when he was on the S4, but reeling him in any would have required more risk taking than I was willing to 2 up... and clipping snowdrifts at the apex, fun day out :mrgreen:
My riding standards are obviously sh*t though.
dizzyblonde
12-12-12, 11:06 AM
As are mine. But, I do spend entire weekends alone, riding with Mark and thoroughly enjoy what I learn. I don't take risks, at all, just calculated judgement.
He knows when I've had enough, as it usually begins with feck, and ends with coffee :) That's after a night on the ale, with full luggage stuck on the back, and a bike that suddenly goes very skittish because its got no fuel and weight in the tank!
We haven't had a hardy bikers meet for three years. That's an awful long time ago.
It's quite reasonable, when you are on a litre vtwin, that apparently is geometrically challenged ;) Pays to know how Mark rides, and be comfortable with it. Certainly shows up your riding standards if you can't keep up. Thankfully for me, they aren't too shabby :)
If you go out with him to prove a point, he'll just show you up!
Exactly .
Makes good progress .nothing scary .
dizzyblonde
12-12-12, 11:21 AM
Exactly .
Makes good progress .nothing scary .
Precisely. Peg goes out on the Zrr with him, and is far more skillful than I. They went out last year up the Dales, and Mark took him on some seriously silly twisty roads. Mark came to the conclusion that although the Z is more difficult to push round such roads, the rider was more than capable to handle what was given.....as he couldn't get rid of him, sure it wasn't sat on his tail, but Mark said even he wouldn't have pushed a bike of that nature like it was a 600, round there.
Having the RSVR for a year admittedly wet rubbish weather. Shows you just how capable the modern 600 are.
Ok its nice to have the relaxed nature of a 1000.(And yes for a short bloke like me it is comfy )
Following the A14 onto M11 back from Matlock -Bath . A 600 would have been easier to chuck about and maneuver round the peak district.and quicker for me.
Just 600s B uzz like 'ell .
dizzyblonde
12-12-12, 12:04 PM
Fish and chips at Matlock Bath. Fond memories for me and Pegasus. Twas the first place we went as a couple on our bikes :)
I used to go down there on the SV alone down there a lot. It's a nice run from ere over Holme Moss and the like.
ChrisCurvyS
12-12-12, 01:01 PM
Joe I too am a member of the tiny minority who think the Hayabusa's a sexy old girl in an ugly-beautiful sort of way. Plan to get one myself when finances allow - think the ZZR1400 looks a bit too much like a full tourer.
However, only think with Busas is they hold their value really well, especially at the bottom end due to their engines being sought after for kit cars etc. the ZZR1200 has similar performance but can be had for a lot cheaper. I've ridden a Blackbird and they're an awesome bike but again you'll struggle to get a good one for less than 3k.
Actually been offered a ride on a 500-ish hp Busa owned by a mechanic I've reccomemended on here before. Tempted but even with the boost turned down, the power delivery means you have to ride like you're on ice until you're well on your way and I wouldn't have the dough to fix it if I binned it.
We need an org camping weekend up that way :).
It not far from that mad snake pass ;)
Joe Marcon
12-12-12, 01:15 PM
Joe I too am a member of the tiny minority who think the Hayabusa's a sexy old girl in an ugly-beautiful sort of way. Plan to get one myself when finances allow - think the ZZR1400 looks a bit too much like a full tourer.
However, only think with Busas is they hold their value really well, especially at the bottom end due to their engines being sought after for kit cars etc. the ZZR1200 has similar performance but can be had for a lot cheaper. I've ridden a Blackbird and they're an awesome bike but again you'll struggle to get a good one for less than 3k.
Actually been offered a ride on a 500-ish hp Busa owned by a mechanic I've reccomemended on here before. Tempted but even with the boost turned down, the power delivery means you have to ride like you're on ice until you're well on your way and I wouldn't have the dough to fix it if I binned it.
Not keen on zzr, i love the busa, and no i wouldnt ride a 500hp bike cause if i binned it id have to fix it lol. Ive seen the busa i want for £3k :)
Sent from my iPhone
dizzyblonde
12-12-12, 01:16 PM
We need an org camping weekend up that way :).
It not far from that mad snake pass ;)
It's not that mad, I think the ducks at the Derwent visitors stop are mad!!!
Funny enough. Last time we went down there, and stopped off, there was a bloke with a brand new Zzr14. He was 75, and his excuse for having it was, he fancied a change.........
From his last ZZR14!!
Not really familiar with camping down that way, I usually prefer to head North. ;)
We've done the northern peak district a couple of times, with varying levels of success...
yorkie_chris
12-12-12, 07:09 PM
We need an org camping weekend up that way :).
It not far from that mad snake pass ;)
The snake is incredibly overrated.
Would probably pass as "the sticks" to you southerners but it's practically a motorway in between manchester and sheffield. Full of power rangers, wazzocks, cars and the polis.
I write off the entire peak district if I'm going out for fun, there are good bits but the interminable boredom in getting between them is not worth it! Head a bit further up, the Yorkshire dales, Northumbria and Scotland :)
I disagree with your assertion on the snake - I think you're thinking about Woodhead pass ( A628 ) instead.
There are police and power rangers, but the main problem with the snake is the 50 limit (now extended all the way to the edge of Sheffield) and limited legal overtaking opportunities.
Thunderace
12-12-12, 07:21 PM
I'm working on that one.
Reckon ill have it cracked by summer.
Last time you were on your Ace, next time try it on your S4!
Spank86
12-12-12, 09:15 PM
Too easy.
SUPERSTARDJ01
14-12-12, 01:58 PM
The snake is incredibly overrated.
Would probably pass as "the sticks" to you southerners but it's practically a motorway in between manchester and sheffield. Full of power rangers, wazzocks, cars and the polis.
I write off the entire peak district if I'm going out for fun, there are good bits but the interminable boredom in getting between them is not worth it! Head a bit further up, the Yorkshire dales, Northumbria and Scotland :)
The dales are freakin awesome to ride, lots of bendy tight corners, if you can ride well you can really take some at a nice speed, I love riding the dales.
millemille
14-12-12, 06:32 PM
The ZX12R is a better hyper bike than the Busa - the busa relies on brute force and ignorance to go fast in straight lines and is low and slow around the twisty stuff, the ZX12R is an intelligent scalpel by comparison....well as much of a scalpel as 220kg 175bhp bike bike can be.
The issue, for an inexperienced (and even experienced) rider is the fearsome amount of low rpm grunt they produce and how easy it is too overwhelm a cold rear tyre.
I wrote off my first ZX12R less than 100 yards from my house on cold tyres.
I was one of the crew that, back in the day, produced this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooaiYysbaj0
millemille
14-12-12, 06:32 PM
The ZX12R is a better hyper bike than the Busa - the busa relies on brute force and ignorance to go fast in straight lines and is low and slow around the twisty stuff, the ZX12R is an intelligent scalpel by comparison....well as much of a scalpel as 220kg 175bhp bike bike can be.
The issue, for an inexperienced (and even experienced) rider is the fearsome amount of low rpm grunt they produce and how easy it is too overwhelm a cold rear tyre.
I wrote off my first ZX12R less than 100 yards from my house on cold tyres.
I was one of the crew that, back in the day, produced this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooaiYysbaj0
ChrisCurvyS
14-12-12, 09:15 PM
The ZX12R is a better hyper bike than the Busa - the busa relies on brute force and ignorance to go fast in straight lines and is low and slow around the twisty stuff, the ZX12R is an intelligent scalpel by comparison....well as much of a scalpel as 220kg 175bhp bike bike can be.
The issue, for an inexperienced (and even experienced) rider is the fearsome amount of low rpm grunt they produce and how easy it is too overwhelm a cold rear tyre.
I wrote off my first ZX12R less than 100 yards from my house on cold tyres.
I was one of the crew that, back in the day, produced this video...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooaiYysbaj0
That's frickin mental! Doubt they'd put videos like that out now - the magazine would get shut down.
A finally got round to doing my direct access because of the ZX12R - a CBT instructor pulled up on one and let me have a sit on it and rev it. Love those headlights, even though they'd be considered dated now.
What's the true top speed? 190-ish?
ChrisCurvyS
14-12-12, 09:27 PM
The other Fast Bikes vid with the Busa, Blackbird and R1 is even madder. I take these were all guys who came into it from struntriding and racing, rather than straight from journalism college?!
yorkie_chris
14-12-12, 10:21 PM
The issue, for an inexperienced (and even experienced) rider is the fearsome amount of low rpm grunt they produce and how easy it is too overwhelm a cold rear tyre.
I had ridden the ZZR11 and some other fast stuff quite a bit before I ever tried the ZX12R and busa and thought I pretty much had the measure of "big" bikes.
Nah! It hurt my brain. It's hard to put into words just exactly what happens when you nail one of these bikes, all hell breaking loose probably about sums it up. :smt096
P.S I thought the busa was a lot comfier than the 12R though. Depends on what you want!
Wildkid
14-12-12, 10:22 PM
The other Fast Bikes vid with the Busa, Blackbird and R1 is even madder. I take these were all guys who came into it from struntriding and racing, rather than straight from journalism college?!
That kind of stuff would soo not be legal today! not saying it was legal there but wow! haha!
yorkie_chris
14-12-12, 10:24 PM
It's fine, it was done in that "abroad", perfectly legal :smt082
Wildkid
14-12-12, 10:33 PM
It's fine, it was done in that "abroad", perfectly legal :smt082
Oh yes! ;) This is why I cant wait to go germany haha...
Specialone
14-12-12, 11:06 PM
I think i recognise the road with the road cut out the side of the mountain, I think that's southern alps by verdon.
millemille
14-12-12, 11:38 PM
The other Fast Bikes vid with the Busa, Blackbird and R1 is even madder. I take these were all guys who came into it from struntriding and racing, rather than straight from journalism college?!
For Mach 3 the "talent" was Rob Frost (BSS racer & crasher, now retired due to injury.....as one of the racesafe marshalls once said "Rob Frost, serial gravel trap visitor") & Gary Mason (still racing BSB).
There were about half a dozen other riders - either fast road riders/journalists from the magazine or club racers/road riders for filming and continuity shots.
widepants
14-12-12, 11:41 PM
to be honest Joe....have you ever thought about a check up from the neck up?
Joe Marcon
14-12-12, 11:42 PM
Yeh im fooked :)
Sent from my iPhone
widepants
14-12-12, 11:43 PM
good lad....you know Im jesting.Live ur life to the best that you can
Joe Marcon
14-12-12, 11:48 PM
Fook that. I wont live for ever with leukemia so sommat gotta take me
Sent from my iPhone
Spank86
15-12-12, 01:43 AM
to be honest Joe....have you ever thought about a check up from the neck up?
He had one, they didn't find anything.
Fook that. I wont live for ever with leukemia so sommat gotta take me
Sent from my iPhone
Hate to tell you but You won't live forever without it.
Joe Marcon
15-12-12, 01:44 AM
Well ino but i will live aslong as you lot will
Sent from my iPhone
Spank86
15-12-12, 01:45 AM
I hope you'll live longer... but that's my issue.
Joe Marcon
15-12-12, 01:45 AM
Well ino but i will live aslong as you lot will
Sent from my iPhone
Wont**
Sent from my iPhone
ChrisCurvyS
15-12-12, 03:41 AM
Ay. Can't say I'm particularly impressed by some of their behaviour (particularly the one doing the bad Ali G impressions) but have to admit they've got skills/bravery/liberating stupidity and there's something gloriously rebellious about it all.
Joe Marcon
15-12-12, 03:42 AM
Lol . Go to sleep :D
Sent from my iPhone
ChrisCurvyS
15-12-12, 03:47 AM
Can't. Those vids have made me question my entire outlook on life-thought I was a risk-taker and a liability on two wheels but f*ck me! Wonder how many of them are still alive.
Joe Marcon
15-12-12, 03:48 AM
Haha . Not many i bet. Im tired :( . Lol
Sent from my iPhone
millemille
15-12-12, 07:06 AM
Wonder how many of them are still alive.
All of them.
Riders/writers from the original FB who were racers include Sean Emmett, Jason Emmett, Shane Byrne, Gary Mason, Rob Frost... you should have heard of all of them as they've been/are successful world class competitors.
busasean
16-12-12, 05:55 PM
What to say....
I've had my Busa since new in 2004, I've spent a fortune on it as well. Its been mega reliable.
Fit a double bubble screen - the standard one is too low
If you get an older shape restricted model, You can deristrict it easily and cheaply although you MUST inform your insurers
Standard tyres it came on are bloody awful - I use mich Road pilot 2's
Brakes are dire - I've fitted braking wavy discs, Performance friction pads, DOT 5 fluid, and goodridge hoses. Change the fluid annually and overhaul the calipers every 3 months!
suspension really benefits from being set up by someone who knows what they are doing - mine was sorted by HM Racing including progressive springs.
Very sensitive to tyre pressures (42/42) - if the tyres are out by 2 or 3 PSI it weaves at over 150mph..
very sensitive to rucksacks - again can weave at higher speed
Its heavy - it will not change direction like a well ridden sports 600 - on the right roads with the right rider a sports 600 will leave a busa standing!
I've had mine flat out in Germany a few times and its brilliant, the latest gsxr's zx10's etc are pretty much as quick but there really is something about a busa you just cant explain.
the finish is generally very good but will not suffer abuse - but then if you dont look after a 180 mph + bike then you are stupid!
Advice - step up to a sports 600, then a 750/900 and then look at a busa.- even if you do 6 months on each, you need experience! you strike me as being a little immature and lacking self restraint (and that isnt having a dig!) you'll get hurt if you havent got the restraint and more importantly (in my view) the riding experience / skills
Sean
Joe Marcon
17-12-12, 03:17 AM
Yes i re considering due to be expensive . But i dont like most 600 :( i get bad cramps. I just dont see point paying nearly same insurance price tho :/ great advice, having a big think . Moneys got tight so probally going to be a 600, i will b getting a hayabusa in a year or 2 , unless i get a go on an R1 . Like chris says if i say sommat i do it , just money so busa can wait unfortunatly
Sent from my iPhone
Joe Marcon
17-12-12, 04:38 AM
Holy poop, zx6r 2004 insurance is £640 full comp :0 . Thats my next bike :)
Sent from my iPhone
Joe Marcon
17-12-12, 04:58 AM
Oh yehhh.
Thats my holiday home . Brid has a better postcode for cheaper insurance lol.
Sent from my iPhone
shonadoll
17-12-12, 07:43 AM
A friend I know has one, said handles like a couch in corners. Also tyres and sprockets it goes through VERY quickly. Think there are better bikes out there that are still powerful. And of course it's up to you if you're not afraid to die but please have a thought for others that may inadvertently be in your path if you do come off, it's not just about you.
I think you should seriously think about gaining more experience before you do this.
vBulletin® , Copyright ©2000-2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.