What rc vehicle?

[joshwalker094]

Well I'm being a big kid and fancy a Remote control vehicle, but sure weather to get a car, helicopter, plane or quadcopter. I have a budget of up to £100
Not bothered if its used just asking as it works good.

[Rocketeer]

Hpi firestorm. 2nd hand with a 7700kv motor and 80a esc. Good for wheelies. Hard as nails. Cheap to repair on the rare occasions they break. 2wd. Run it on a 2 or 3s lipo. If you need more look at msuk forum. If you want a firestorm I probably have one around somewhere! Too many RC cars !!

[Fallout]

I have a nitro monster truck I built about 8 years ago. Proper bit of kit with rollcage, 50mph when geared right, lots of titanium components. It's awesome when I race against my mate, but driving it around by myself is dull. RC planes on the other hand are cheaper and much more interesting. The fear of crashing them makes it far more exciting, and the 2 extra dimensions means its way more challenging too.

For £100 - £150 you can get a high wing foamy kit, complete with all electronics which would be a good place to start. When you smash them up you just glue them back together.

Here's an old vid of my truck .... :D (If you can't be arsed to watch it all, watch from 6 minutes for the mega high speed crash)

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[Wideboy]

Not enough money. Anything airborne will break within minutes in inexperienced hands. You'll find model shops will sell you anything promising it to "fly out the box" because they know you'll be back the next day to buy spares.

Not to sound negative and to put you off but a plane or heli with full control to all surfaces is not an easy thing to master right away.

Buy secondhand.

[Spank86]

Dont get a helicopter.

They will break first time out. If you must then get a cheapo indoor one for £20.

A polystyrene plane will be okayish as long as it's high wing, you'll break it but at least you can gule it back together and do running repairs.

[Fallout]

@Widyboy - I dunno mate. I got a spitifire as my first plane. I smashed it to pieces within 2 seconds of the first flight. I then went and got a high wing 3 channel plane (just rudder/elevators) and flew that fine on the maiden with lots of fear but no problems. Don't think I ever crashed a high wing plane that wasn't sliced in half by a friends plane or self destructed through lack of structual integrity vs engine power! :D You can't roll planes over without ailerons, so you don't get confused when they're inverted, but maybe I'm a natural! hehehe. :D

Definitely stay well away from any plane that looks remotely cool though. You have to get a boring looking plane with the wings above the fuselage to get good beginner stability. Warbirds, delta wings, etc. are for advanced flyers. As Gav says though, £100 is pushing it. The cheapest kit we could find the other day for someone else was about £130.

[joshwalker094]

Car it is then. I want a nitro but seem to much trouble, I wouldn't have a clue how to set them up for starters.
Rocketeer, how much for one fella? Cheaper the better

[Fallout]

£100 is pretty skimpy for a car. Car's are much more complicated and made of metal and therefore more expensive. I'd budget £300 minimum to get one quick enough to keep you amused for more than a few outings. Mine was about £1000 all in (yes, what a waste of money. I had a job and was living with my parents at the time).

[joshwalker094]

I don't have much dosh to spare at the moment, not until I start working again next year.
The hpi e firestorm look ok, are the waterproof?

[Fallout]

They're alright. If you've only played with little indoor toys before, it'll be a monster. Slow on grass though as you need a lot of power. As for waterproof, no but they'll be able to deal with a certain amount of moisture without problems. One common trick it to take out all the servos, receiver etc. put them in a balloon each and then tape/glue/seal up the entrance where the wires go in. Requires some ingenuity to get it right! :)

[joshwalker094]

Couldn't I just put in a more a powerful motor? And use a stronger/powerful battery to make it better on grass?
My brother has a nice traxxas. All waterproof, are brushless motors just waterproof anyway?

[Fallout]

Don't know to be honest. I've only ever had nitro cars. They're not as temperamental as you may think, plus playing around with a little engine, keeping it running and tuning it is half the fun. I've had the same engine in mine for 7 years (though it hasn't been used for years at a time) and it still runs fine. You just need to do an after run procedure (wd40 in the carb and glow plug hole, then turn the engine over) to prevent any hydroscopic corrosion, and when running, keep it tuned rich so it's got a nice trail of smoke, which prevents glow plugs burning out and premature engine wear. Then they're reliable.

The smell of smoke, reving it, tuning the engine, bringing it in for fuel stops and the bloody loud noise all double the experience for me. Plus you can run it all day as you're not limited to a 10 minute battery charge. You're only limited by how much nitro methane you can lug around in your rucksack and how long you can keep the car intact! :D

[Wideboy]

I keep telling you si, we're not mates

Electric wasn't really an option when I was learning (technology wise wasn't advanced like it is now) so I went straight into IC. I've only got into electric in the past 4 or so years since it's really taken off (see what I did there).

As for cars. I dabbled in them but my interest was short lived. I found electric to be more expensive when trying to get the performance of an IC? Also are they actually waterproof or just splashproof?

IC engines are simple to use. Once you work out which way does what when you turn the needles it's easy set up the engine. ... it's once you start throwing regulators and pumps into the mix that it gets confusing;)

[Fallout]

I keep telling you si, we're not mates

Lovers then. :smt008 If you want to shout it from the roof tops, be my guest.

I never really got the hang of the low speed needle on my truck. I could turn it all over the shop and not really figure out what difference it was doing at idle. The high speed needle was easy peasy though, and let's face it, you spend most of the time ragging the nipples off the thing anyway, so that's the most important one. :mrgreen:

[joshwalker094]

Hmmm nitro is sounding better now, I could get one and you lot can help me :) what about fuel and that palava

[yorkie_chris]

It's fairly easy.

The more nitro it has in it the more it costs and the faster it goes (and goes through it), you adjust the needle to suit the fuel and the conditions on the day (dead easy...).


The fuel is methanol, with castor oil in it to lubricate it, and nitromethane which adds oxygen to the mix and increases power.

Most of my aero engines ran fine on 0-5% but did have the odd mad one on 30%+, sounded a bit angry like. See what other people use in similar cars...

[Ceri JC]

I have a £20 indoor chopper. Practically indestructible and great fun.

[Wideboy]

Lovers then. :smt008 If you want to shout it from the roof tops, be my guest.

I never really got the hang of the low speed needle on my truck. I could turn it all over the shop and not really figure out what difference it was doing at idle. The high speed needle was easy peasy though, and let's face it, you spend most of the time ragging the nipples off the thing anyway, so that's the most important one. :mrgreen:
The way I do the idle (or the bottom end as its know) is get it to a point were it will idle, let it tick over for about 10 secs then suddenly wang it up to full beans, if it coughs or dies adjust accordingly and repeat. If your motor has an air leak in the casing, carbs or you fuel lines that usually renders the bottom end useless.


I run 20%, I used to do 10% in my 2 stroke motors and 30% in my four strokes but since the recession that got a tad ridiculous on the budget front so now I just run 20% on everything

I know of people that run 30% in cars which I think is a bit excessive money wise.


Like Chris said it's all really simple. Read up on which needles direction does what and it all falls into place. I have a high performance four stroke with a regulator on the front rather than an idle needle and I cannot get it set up right. My brother or one of my friends can get it to sing but I just can't do it

[NTECUK]

David has a Maplin Heli.its about a foot long.
His 12 and only flow it 4 or 5 times as the battery soon goes flat .No good in the wind.
His mum went nuts when he flew it in the house up the stairs....

[joshwalker094]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HPI-RUSH-EVO-1-10-RC-NITRO-2WD-TRUCK-BUGGY-TRUGGY-RTR-/221167073472?pt=UK_ToysGames_RadioControlled_JN&hash=item337e95b8c0

How about this

Edit that, it has just ended !? :@

[kaivalagi]

Quadcopter!

e.g. http://www.badlands-rc.com/quadcopters/

I want one for my son, honest. Start with a basic kit and controller, it has a gyroscope so will level off easily so if you mess up just let go!

Then later on when you are accomplished add a video camera and video goggles with a long distance video link and you can fly it like you are in it :)

e.g. http://vimeo.com/29000844

[joshwalker094]

I want one, but out of my price range

[joshwalker094]

What about this?

Look at this on eBay:

HPI Rush Evo Nitro RC Car / Truck In Box With Instructions. Very Good Condition.

http://bit.ly/ZcVRLD


I could collect it tonight, he said make him an offer. He has no fuel though to test it

[NTECUK]

You could get some fuel .
You don't want it if its a non runner

[joshwalker094]

It supposedly is a runner. And I don't know anywhere that sells fuel around here

[Wideboy]

Don't buy one until you've seen it running. These things rev at a ridiculously high rate so a lot of those that are for sale are most likely because they're clapped and the owner wants to flog it to buy another.

[Fallout]

Don't buy one until you've seen it running. These things rev at a ridiculously high rate so a lot of those that are for sale are most likely because they're clapped and the owner wants to flog it to buy another.

Which is muppetish because you can buy a new piston and sleeve for RC engines for about £30. These people need to get their hands dirty. Rebuilding RC engines is fun, and a really simple way to learn how 2 stroke engines work.

[joshwalker094]

How much should i offer him?
He said it runs great and is selling to buy electric so his 8 yr old can use it with him

[Rocketeer]

Go electric with the firestorm. Car (expect a bit battered) for @£100

Need a lipo charger (B6 will do roughly £25 on evilbay)
Two 2s lipos from hobbyking for @£25 the pair.

Ready to go. Two batts will give 45 min easy run time. You'll be bored and cold by then. Bats charge in @ 45 mins each. No stinking fuel or fiddling and in stock it'll do 30 plus mph.

I run a hyper 9 electric on 6s. Traxxas slash on 4s and a tin pot firestorm on 2s. All are good but firestorm best value.

[joshwalker094]

Rocket, you actually selling a car?

[Rocketeer]

I may well do now! I have a firestorm hanging in the garage somewhere. I could probably sort that as a starter kit for you with a couple of lipos but would take me a few days to nose stuff out as its a drop manic work wise this week bud. Pretty sure the only thing you would need would be a b6 IMAX charger off the bay.

[joshwalker094]

How much we looking at? Sounds good.

[Rocketeer]

Pm'd

[Brettus]

Not quite helpful but I always fancied one of these:
http://compare.ebay.co.uk/like/221157666439?var=lv&ltyp=AllFixedPriceItemTypes&var=sbar&cbt=y
Had a tyco fast trax when I was little and this is like a bigger version :-)

Keep us updated with what you get Josh!

[Spank86]

The other option that is cheap but doesn't allow expansion is:

http://www.raidentech.com/b29borcplret.html

Easy flying, just power left or right or climb, no ailerons or flaps.

[Redmist]

I've had almost every RC vehicle going:
1st was a Nikko off road buggy
Then had two tamiya 1/10 electric cars and a fancy drift one.
A RC Hovercraft.
Numerous RC Airplanes
3 heli's from mini to 450 size (Latter one was a short lived affair!)
1 RC Tricopter
Now I mainly fly FPV RC airplanes (Google it if you don't know what FPV is!)

The most fun? FPV planes!! Do it!!

[Wideboy]

i want to do FPV! i had ago with it this summer and it brings a whole different ball game to flying.

[joshwalker094]

still undecided, nitro or electric car
choices choices

[Fallout]

Basically mate, electric is cheap, convenient and less hassle. Nitro is more expensive, requires more effort but is far far more awesome.

Easy and decent, or some effort and awesome?

[joshwalker094]

http://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/158490-ftx-carnage-truggy-dirt-thrasher-buggy-protech-nitro-swap-all-for-savage-xs/

Thinking of the electric one

[kaivalagi]

In my youth I raced electric RC cars, my schumacher cat (http://www.racing-cars.com/pp/Car_Showroom/CAT_SX3.html) was bloody awesome...but only a good outdoor racing track will do it justice

I have a nitro car now (HPI MT2 G3.0 (http://www.hpieurope.com/kit-info.php?lang=en&partNo=10411)) but don't use it anywhere near enough, I'm waiting/hoping for my son (9 yrs) to get into it...however I do miss the ease of electric. It also has to be said that these days there are good performance brushless motors and LIPO batteries so things have moved on from the old days quite a bit. I'm not going to look at what is available though, I might get tempted when I really want to save the pennies for an electric quadcopter!

After owning a nitro car I think I would actually go electric if I was to buy an RC car now...it's just less bother!

[Redmist]

After owning a nitro car I think I would actually go electric if I was to buy an RC car now...it's just less bother!

Amen brother! you can go mega fast with electric now, maybe hasn't the same noise factor but its a small downside inmho.

[Bluefish]

I've had almost every RC vehicle going:
1st was a Nikko off road buggy
Then had two tamiya 1/10 electric cars and a fancy drift one.
A RC Hovercraft.
Numerous RC Airplanes
3 heli's from mini to 450 size (Latter one was a short lived affair!)
1 RC Tricopter
Now I mainly fly FPV RC airplanes (Google it if you don't know what FPV is!)

The most fun? FPV planes!! Do it!!
Soon as i saw kaivalagi's vid there i was like, wow i want one of those, fpv looks awesome, mind you the price is awesome as well.
Question does flyinf by fpv make it harder or easier?

[kaivalagi]

Would be good to know that! All this talk is making me get ever closer to buying a kit, a couple of good cheap sites:
http://www.goodluckbuy.com/
http://www.hobbyking.com

Still need Redmist's opinion but looking at this vid I'd say it makes it easier to fly using a FPV setup, but a quadcopter isn't a plane :)

http://vimeo.com/55180705

In this vid the pilot makes a few errors, clipping the floor etc but the thing corrects any instability....the control boards in the quadcopters are awesome.

@Redmist, do you have the same sort of stability help with planes these days? correction from a stall etc?

@JoshWalker - just get a quadcopter mate! Save your pennies for a little longer...

[Spank86]

I'd say far easier in FPV

[Fallout]

I'd say far easier in FPV :smt117

[Wideboy]

I'd say it was slightly easier in regards to your control inputs, being stood on the ground your inputs will change depending on which direction the model is traveling etc. I've only had a brief go on fpv but I still did my landings and take offs without the goggles on / the conventional way.

[Fallout]

I bet you're tempted to push the range of your transmitter when you're using FPV. Is there some sort of received signal strength display? Asking a bit much, but it'd make sense to let you fly as far as possible.

[Wideboy]

i didnt really go very far, i flew it for about 2 mins. My friend takes his well over a mile, where we fly near winch there's loads of landmarks and he reckons he's pushed past 2 miles. Thats 2.4 though and i believe JR claim some ridiculous range anyway.

i must say its certainly adds another dimension to flying, if it wasn't so expensive i would purchase a setup

[Fallout]

I would use it for devious means such as harassing picnickers. You could hide in a bush a mile away and strafe dog walkers and small children without ever being caught. With a decent framed WW2 bomber you could hook up bomb bay doors to ch5/6 and drop things on people, such as poison tipped darts or home made napalm, then bank back round and watch them die slowly.

On a serious note though, dog fighting would be way better. It's practically impossible to work out if you're on someone's tail or not when flying an RC, but with FPV it'd be quality.

[Wideboy]

i think its illegal to use in in the uk? not sure but there is some sort of law about putting camera's on your models as it come under invasion of privacy. There is a loophole however.

[kaivalagi]

On a serious note though, dog fighting would be way better. It's practically impossible to work out if you're on someone's tail or not when flying an RC, but with FPV it'd be quality.

There's a badlands video that would show you what it would be like with multicopters: https://vimeo.com/40013835

....getting above the clouds: https://vimeo.com/32172437
...watching fireworks up above: https://vimeo.com/52961424

I am hooked and I haven't even got one.....yet....

[Fallout]

i think its illegal to use in in the uk? not sure but there is some sort of law about putting camera's on your models as it come under invasion of privacy. There is a loophole however.

Who cares? :rolleyes: That's one of those laws passed to stop dodgy paps and general ne'er-do-wells which restricts the honest too. So I would erect a middle finger to that law and do it without concern, but I suppose if you fly at an official club then they may not allow you. Good job I only fly cheap rubbish foamies in the middle of nowhere. :)

@kaivalagi - They show off the possibilities. I'd love to see a vid of a couple of warbirds chasing each other close to the ground. :)

[Spank86]

I thought it only counted if you recorded it as it comes under unlicenced CCTV?

Otherwise reversing cameras on cars wojuld be illegal.

[Brettus]

Curse you lot, Now you have me browsing this stuff too. I rather like the look of the simple RTF ones: http://quadcopters.co.uk/spy-hawk-fpv-plane-ready-to-fly-24ghz-v3-504-p.asp
electronics are not my strong point, soldering is too much like hard work.

[Fallout]

Can't say I really get the appeal of quadcopters. They seem to cane battery and aren't exactly aesthetically cool. I assume their main selling point is they're really stable and automatically handle load adjustments (e.g. cameras!). I'd much rather have a cheap foamy that does 60mph and dive bomb people. :)

[Wideboy]

I thought it only counted if you recorded it as it comes under unlicenced CCTV?

Otherwise reversing cameras on cars wojuld be illegal.
but thats is a public place? as far as i know filming in public doesn't breach anyone's rights but if you stray onto someone else land without permission to film that could change?

i dunno and i too don't care. As far as i care if two people want to sample each others delights in public they give up the right not to be peep'd on

[Fallout]

Ahhh! Now it makes sense! GAV = Gratuitous Avid Voyeur.

[joshwalker094]

I love the look of this
http://bit.ly/WwAG1G

Just waiting for a reply on what parts I need to get this going.

[kaivalagi]

Nice find, neat build that! The X525 is one of the good ones, I am looking for a spider type frame though

Have a look on goodluckbuy.com or hobbyking.com for a new transmitter / 3s lipo battery and charger to match, I suspect you wont need anything else. The thing already has a control board, motors, speed controllers and a 2.4GHz receiver etc.

[joshwalker094]

Thing is though an x525 is £220 ish rtr, so is it worth it once you factor in transmitter and lipo of about £100 :/

What about this nitro
http://bit.ly/ZqfO1n

[Fallout]

If you're going monster truck, the Revo is much better than the T-Maxx or HPI Savage. It has a more squat stance so much more stable when cornering. :)

[joshwalker094]

But that t maxx is good price

[Bluefish]

I'd say far easier in FPV
That's what i wanted to hear, now how can i get one of these :rolleyes:

[Redmist]

That's what i wanted to hear, now how can i get one of these :rolleyes:

There are a few things to consider FPV wise.
1) The hardest part of any flight is the landing, so practice this Non-FPV. Especially as the FPV view can be misleading on approach.

2) Always build up your range slowly and carefully, its very easy to get distracted by something and going beyond your working range!

3)FPV is easier to fly around, as you don't have to think in mirror when your flying towards yourself, but its important to be competent at flying normally in case of video failures.

Otherwise, have fun an do your research to avoid dissapointment. check out the rcgroups website they have a section on FPV.

[joshwalker094]

So what about this

http://bit.ly/12IqDtB

He'd let me have it for £100.
Last run two months ago perfect.
He found the starter but has no fuel as he's running a 23cc 2stroke now,
He's going to see if he can get some

[Rocketeer]

Looks like a load of grief to me mate. Your call tho. You'll get frustrated and it'll be gummed up

[Fallout]

I wouldn't buy a second hand nitro unless I was prepared to rebuild the engine (which I would be because that's fun!!!) :)

[joshwalker094]

http://bit.ly/Thu1Lq

This had just caught my eye

[Wideboy]

unless you have a good simlator or someone prepared to go buddybox with you i wouldn't, it will end in tears :lol:

but if you were to get into proper IC model flying that would be a perfect package, radio is a bit meh but it would do for a beginner, SC's can be a bit meh aswell but once there set up properly they good for the money.

i would say that would go for more than 100 but if you had someone to go buddybox its the perfect starter, sounds like he's had a few rough landings with it but that not uncommon.... ring around some flying clubs near you, some offer free tuition!

[joshwalker094]

What you mean buddybox?
I think I might have a deal with him

[Wideboy]

It means someone else fly's your model and you plug your transmitter into their transmitter. They take off and land ect, then flick a switch and it gives your transmitter control of the model, then you can learn different things and if you get into the **** they can flick teh switch, have control again, hopefully save your model and then set you back up to try again at what ever it was you were doing.

its a good system that's been around for years. its how i learned from my dad.

[joshwalker094]

Hmm well i don't have a buddy box! Can I fly it anywhere? There's a massive field behind my house. They hard to take off and land?

[Fallout]

Foamy planes are a win for learning. Cheaper. Take off from ground or hand launch. Fly them anywhere without restrictions. Crash them and glue them back together. I wouldn't take on that plane as a casual hobby.

If you're unsure of getting a nitro car because of the hassle, a nitro plane makes no sense! RC planes are huge hassle until you get good enough to land them without snapping them to pieces.

[Wideboy]

most transmitters have buddy box built in. As for the flying anywhere... yes and know, most people don't mind you flying around electric models but IC's will no doubt annoy some busy body and they will complain, then you'll have problems as you're not flying from a registered site and you'tr not insured. Everywhere i fly IC is a registered flying site or i have permission, plus im insured because believe or not i seen a model pretty similar to the one you linked too go clean through the roof of a house and end up making a mess of the ceiling on the first floor.

yes they are difficult to fly this is why i suggest phoning around clubs so someone can give you tuition. Not to mention you need a smooth grass strip to take off and land on otherwise it wont move or you'll rip out the undercarriage on landing.

like i said in an earlier post a model shop or someone who is to profit from you will tell you they're easy to fly and recommend all sorts of crap to you, simply because you and your wallet will be back the next day.

probably best to by a simulator or have a go on one before you start buying models, you might not like it/find it to difficult.

[Wideboy]

stuff
god you're like thrush

[joshwalker094]

Forget the plane! Seems like far too much hassle. Bfma insurance, lessons ect...
Help me find a car/truck guys
David might be in touch just after Xmas

[widepants]

bbc 2 now

[joshwalker094]

Shall watch it on iplayer later, about to watch ice pilots on discovery +1

[leebex]

bbc 2 now

I want a glider that can do that sort of miles :cool:

been tempted for ages to buy an rc plane, although been advised by a mate at work to crawl before I run, he suggested a ready to fly sky surfer or 3 channel plane.

Bored of rc cars now, got a stadium truck in the shed, but want a better toy :D

[joshwalker094]

Hmm leebex sell me yours, to fund a plane

[kaivalagi]

Oh man, I keep finding nice stuff on quadcopters....trouble is the more you read about things the more you want the nice kit...a nice 8 ch radio, self-levelling controller and decent spider frame with battery, motors, speed controllers etc will set you back more than £600 :(

Check out some time trial based racing: http://vimeo.com/52734031

edit: and look at this for awesome flight control:
bFCQrzMUsTs

[Fallout]

I don't get the appeal tbh. So it's a fancy helicopter that does all the stablising for you. Where's the fun in that?!

[leebex]

Hmm leebex sell me yours, to fund a plane

Lol you wouldnt want it, its a battered early `80s vintage team associated electric stadium truck, but kitted up with modern suspension, uprated motor etc. These are heading the way of `80s tamiya, I watched just the chassis tub go for £90 on ebay recently! (they use an aluminuim tub with all the parts bolted into it. )

[leebex]

just found this, they have shot up:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vintage-Team-Associated-RC-10-MIP-4-10-Legend-/330847269459?pt=US_Character_Radio_Control_Toys&hash=item4d0808b253

[kaivalagi]

I don't get the appeal tbh. So it's a fancy helicopter that does all the stablising for you. Where's the fun in that?!

The stablisation is a nice feature, but it can be turned off...and looking at the racing it would have been other wise it would hinder some of the flying techniques used. As a newbie to flying the stablisation would certainly be an aid for me. If you didn't want it then it gets cheaper for the required kit...

For me it's more about the immersion with the FPV and the ability to explore and maneuver anywhere, I can see lots of interesting times around the coast line and even some longer term use in tourism commercially when I retire...but the price is a bit off putting...as is the battery life....you will struggle to get more than 10 minutes.

Still toying with the idea, maybe when we move into the next financial year...

[Wideboy]

The stablisation is a nice feature, but it can be turned off...and looking at the racing it would have been other wise it would hinder some of the flying techniques used. As a newbie to flying the stablisation would certainly be an aid for me. If you didn't want it then it gets cheaper for the required kit...

For me it's more about the immersion with the FPV and the ability to explore and maneuver anywhere, I can see lots of interesting times around the coast line and even some longer term use in tourism commercially when I retire...but the price is a bit off putting...as is the battery life....you will struggle to get more than 10 minutes.

Still toying with the idea, maybe when we move into the next financial year...

A backpack, small 12v battery, spare lipo and a field charger is what you need. That's what I do when I fly electric, usually have 3 5c batteries on rotation.

[kaivalagi]

A backpack, small 12v battery, spare lipo and a field charger is what you need. That's what I do when I fly electric, usually have 3 5c batteries on rotation.
There is hope :) Good to know thanks...so it's just about money (just time then really) and if I can carry it all on a bike...2 big ktm panniers, a Kieger US30 and a backpack ought to sort it somehow..will a folded quad fit into a backpack or pannier, might be pushing it...

@joshwalker, apologies for this hijack, I'll shut up now and only contribute on RC cars where I can. I rate the HPI stuff, I have the MT2 GT 3.0 Stadium Truck, nice but as said messy and gets out of tune after a bit...have you looked at prices for second hand 2 stroke 1/4 scale type cars? Out of price range? I wanted a jackrabbit (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8MLC4iSJx4)for a long time...

[joshwalker094]

Funnily enough http://www.gumtree.com/p/cars-vans-motorbikes/rc-petrol-buggy/1005560276
I spotted it yesterday. But a trek to collect, what you think?

[Rocketeer]

What make is it. Where will you source parts from? As you will need them :)

[kaivalagi]

Go deal though, might be worth the punt...if you can see it working first. It's an LRP something...LRP still make RC cars but none that look like that...

[joshwalker094]

http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=130825479565
?

[Rocketeer]

Parts a plenty. Tad delicate on the chassis. You want to make sure it's on a 2.4ghz controller as that appears to be a 27mhz one ? May need a sleeve ?

[joshwalker094]

Sleeve? I'll message him ask what controller

[joshwalker094]

Or thishttp://www.msuk-forum.co.uk/topic/156649-hpi-firestorm-flux-final-price-drop-110/
This is 27mhz 14 month old

[joshwalker094]

What about this http://bit.ly/VDrJk9

£130 BIN

[joshwalker094]

Quite like the looks of the parrot at drones, camera feed to your I device, could maybe stretch my budget up to £150ish just have to break into the van fund.

[kaivalagi]

Look on goodluckbuy and hobby king for parts and get something a lot better that can be build on, just needs some time and effort. For example a decent turnigy 9ch transmitter is $50, frame $40, motors and ESC about $70 etc, just factor in bits and postage from HK and you are nearly there for about $300...

Lots of reading is required though, I am slowly getting to grips with it all...I'll likely spend a bit on electronics though as I want GPS in the long run...

Plenty of good YouTube vids that explain a lot

[joshwalker094]

I want something rtr, so I can just charge and play

[kaivalagi]

I want something rtr, so I can just charge and play

If you want read to fly multi rotor stuff you either pay a lot for something decent or pay too much for something crap...if you can get the parrot for £100 it might be okay I guess but it is a bit flimsy I think

Just get a car otherwise you'll find it real hard to stay inside budget for a RTR/RTF model...