View Full Version : Syria...what should be happening
21QUEST
06-01-13, 06:55 PM
I've just been reading the news on BBC web site and got wondering what people think should happen now.
Should we get involved? Do we have a right to interfere?.
Why do you think we should get involved or indeed, shouldn't get involved.
tigersaw
06-01-13, 06:58 PM
No, we poke our noses in too many internal conflicts for our own benefit.
metalmonkey
06-01-13, 07:04 PM
Not unless they asked for our help, also it should go through the UN or a NATO led partnership ideally without the US being involved.
The problem is that under Blair we have lost all creditabilty he screwed us all over, so that now makes it hard to get involved in anything where it is the right thing to do.
no it's their business let them get on with it. if we go helping other country's fight any old Tom, Richard and Harriet then that country is not going evolve same goes with aid.
learn to fight your own battles then you can stand proud.
why should any country poke their nose into any other country's business is beyond me.
-Ralph-
06-01-13, 07:11 PM
How much oil do they have?
metalmonkey
06-01-13, 07:13 PM
no it's their business let them get on with it. if we go helping other country's fight any old Tom, Richard and Harriet then that country is not going evolve same goes with aid.
learn to fight your own battles then you can stand proud.
why should any country poke their nose into any other country's business is beyond me.
Yes true, but standing by while people are being murdered is that the right thing to do?
yorkie_chris
06-01-13, 07:14 PM
How much oil do they have?
If it means <£1 a liter then lock and load.
21QUEST
06-01-13, 07:26 PM
I should have added, I don't think we should.
The reasons for me go beyond 'what we are being told is happening now' . That applied to Libya as well.
One has to go back to the historical occurance(directly and indirectly) in that region.
Then, you realise, the 'good of the people' is never the real driving force as teh media would like us to believe.
Right now, when it comes to that part of the world, the Russian/Chinese leaders actually appear to be saner than the war mongering American led contigent.
Without the Russians and the Chinese, we would have been involved by now, under the usual false pretenses.
Yes true, but standing by while people are being murdered is that the right thing to do?
yes i'm afraid that's how it is.
people will only take so much suffering at which point small groups of individuals get together and fight back. the word soon gets round then others join in the fight. yes this might go on for hundreds of years until a resolution is come to.
maviczap
06-01-13, 07:28 PM
I guess we are helping in the background, but we don't have the spare resources to get involved.
21QUEST
06-01-13, 07:30 PM
Yes true, but standing by while people are being murdered is that the right thing to do?
metalmonkey, truth is, that has always been the case. All that usually changes is, it is decided, it's time for a different person to do the same.
i think it's time that the uk gov think about the uk for once. do you think that if the shoe was on the other foot that any of the country's we have helped in recent years would come to our aid.. no feckin way they would. do you think that in years to come they will help.. again no. would they be part of a group to overthrow us.. more than likely.
this borlocks we are having with Argentina at the moment over the Falkland's is not going to end well just like the last time but unlike the last time when we had a navy capable of controlling waters we have nowt and Argentina know this.
Fallout
06-01-13, 07:49 PM
My very rough understanding is Assad is suppressing the Arab majority. The reason why there isn't a clear cut overthrow like in the other adjacent conflicts is because there is a white minority supporting him. If we get involved, remove Assad and allow a "democracy" to exist, then the Arab majority will have power and the white minority are likely to be royally fecked.
Basically it's a lose lose situation. No matter who's in power, some group is going to be screwed over. This civil war will last for a long time and there's no right answer. Democracy doesn't work in countries where religion is more important than politics. Best to leave them to it.
21QUEST
06-01-13, 10:09 PM
Fallout, you make a very good point about democracy which a lot of people do not grasp.
That, what is being predominantly sought is 'democracy' and 'true compassion for fellow humans' is a lie perpetuated by the media and believed by a lot of people. It makes no sense when we actually delve deep into it.
Bibio, but it is in our interest, if we take the the above paragraph into consideration. Rather than thinking in terms of 'benevolence' , replace that with 'investment' .
I'm not sure what's going on over there to be honest or what the answer is.
As always it seems to have been shaped by us and other European powers following either the first or second world war.
Various religions have been split or circled into countries, each chasing power and how the country is run.
If Assad loses power, what's the alternative? Will it be democratic and allow minority religions to exist. Will it fight terrorist activity. Will it not look towards nuclear armament. i.e. will it conform with the west.
Ideally we would just fund opposition powers or at worst, send a UN mandate.
If we send British troops under our own flag I think our own government would signal their own political ending.
MisterTommyH
07-01-13, 02:26 PM
Not unless they asked for our help, also it should go through the UN or a NATO led partnership ideally without the US being involved.
Who do you consider They to be?
The government or the rebels? Or any of the parties involved?
The rebels have been screaming out for the Western world to get involved. I'm not saying we should, but it thats the threshold for involvement it's long passed.
Biker Biggles
07-01-13, 06:30 PM
Sad though it may be I dont believe it is our place or duty to go wading in to other peoples quarrels when they dont directly threaten us.History teaches us that different interest groups will fall out and kill each other just like we used to do(and still do Ulster for example).We cant stop it the Middle East or anywhere else,and we certainly should not condemn our young men (and it nearly always is men)to death fighting other peoples wars.
Bluefish
07-01-13, 11:06 PM
WE can't afford to go, end of.
We should stay out of all foreign conflict unless it involves the sovereignty of these islands or our protectorates, or until the UN call upon us to intervene in a peace-keeping role alongside other armed forces.
It should not be us lobbying the UN to ensure we have the mandate to invade another country. Whoever presses for outside involvement in a foreign conflict should be excluded from sending troops and should not benefit politically or financially from the involvement.
That's my take on it
Pathetic neighbouring arab states really, letting their own people get massacred at the hands of an evil git. A bit of unity and they could topple this guy.
Well you'd expect nothing less from puppet states I suppose.
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