EU propaganda

[yorkie_chris]

EU spending our money to protect their own miserable hides.

Scum.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9845442/EU-to-set-up-euro-election-troll-patrol-to-tackle-Eurosceptic-surge.html



Do svadanya tovarichshs...

[Fallout]

Sounds like a good name for a rap track. If I write one, I might see some of that £2mil. Hey, I might even get into a rap battle with Herman Van Rompuy.

[NTECUK]

Can you see why this government wants to rain in there spending.
more reason to walk away ...

[Bri w]

Is that media spin by the Telegraph? Maybe the EU are looking to see/hear what the people on the ground want and will tailor their policy based on that.

oops! me being naive...

[Fallout]

As someone who doesn't read the paper often, which way does the Telegraph tend to lean politically? I'm guessing slightly right, conservative territory, so probably have their arses on the fence.

[yorkie_chris]

Yes slightly right leaning

[Spank86]

Whats that?


Somewhere there is a thought crime being committed!

[dizzyblonde]

So spending money to hear the truth



Bog off EU!! We don't want you!

I'm sure they will find plenty more saying the same in a less polite way. If they pulled their fingers our of their ears, they could do it for free!

[NTECUK]

. If they pulled their fingers our of their ears, they could do it for free!
:notworthy:
Like most politics . They have there own agenda that has nothing to do with the people who put them there.

[Sid Squid]

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

[Fallout]

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

*craccckklle zzzz* This is the EU. Your anti-EU stance has been noted. The counter argument is being arranged. YOU WILL BE SILENCED!

[dizzyblonde]

*craccckklle zzzz* This is the EU. Your anti-EU stance has been noted. The counter argument is being arranged. YOU WILL BE SILENCED!

Is your name Ahmed, and are you dead?

[Fallout]

Took me a while to get that, then when I read SIILLENCE it twigged! :)

Oh .. no btw.

[andrewsmith]

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_j3bwPWD1T_g/SztRmtu8NjI/AAAAAAAACPk/dexNqY3EhoI/s400/achmed1.jpg

;)

The telegraph is right wing but seems to be not liking the current bunch

[Spank86]

Just because two groups are right wing doesn't automatically mean they like or support each other.

[Biker Biggles]

So the EU want to spend someone else's money to try to keep themselves in their very comfy low tax positions?

Surprised not.

There is an ideal of European integration which, at it's heart, has benefits for all member states, trade agreements and international cooperation on many subjects simply makes sense for all involved.

But it isn't this one. And it never will be.

I don't just want the UK to leave, I want the whole vile, self serving, corrupt business smashed into nothing. The Commission, the Parliament, all of the EU institutions are hopeless, wasteful, mired in nepotism and corruption - if they ever had the cause of service to the citizens of EU states as their aim, that's so utterly forgotten as to be laughable now.

The whole rotten edifice must go, it's far far too broken ever to be made into the useful notion it may once have been.

You are not entirely pro EU then?:D

I have to agree.:smt045It is based on unsound economics and even worse,it is fundamentally undemocratic.It needs to either revert to a loose trading zone,or it will rip itself apart with much gnashing of teeth and possibly worse.

[Sid Squid]

You are not entirely pro EU then?:D
Hmmmm... What gave me away? :smt017

All joking aside I am not by any ideal against the notion of the European States, (and any others considered suitable ), having an EEC-alike agreement, somewhat like that which was proposed the only time the British electorate have had an opportunity to give their opinion, in 1973.

Which is a long time for us not to be consulted, especially seeing as the proto-federal-superstate we now find ourselves inexorably being dragged into, is fundamentally not what the British public quite enthusiastically agreed to all that time ago. One can only wonder if our nation would have been quite so agreeable if the realities of the EU had been known then. Then again, if we hadn't voted 'yes' then, I wonder if we'd have had the despicable sight of the referendum simply being repeated until the answer the EU wanted was forthcoming. As happened in Ireland.

EU; not big on democracy.

[Spank86]

We don't even get the promised benefits.

Having to pay to use foreign cash machines and not being able to legally access services like TV from other places (sky's football prices!)

[chris8886]

We don't even get the promised benefits.

Having to pay to use foreign cash machines and not being able to legally access services like TV from other places (sky's football prices!)

to get around this you need a FairFx card (google it!), you can draw out money from just about any atm in the world and not get stung in the backside with charges and an appauling exchange rate. the downside is that you have to deposit money into the 'account' type thing and can't withdraw it as such. tis too difficult to explain in written words for me, but seriously check it out. i used mine all the while i traveled in sout east asia (the little of it that i actually got to go around!) and have since used it in europe as well.

[EssexDave]

There's a lot of stuff in here that is factually wrong.

A lot of what the EU has done, and is doing, is good. On the whole, the benefits we have had (not just economic) are greater, in my opinion, than the negative aspects of being part of the union.

A break-up of the Eurozone now would be crippling, regardless of anyone's views, it would be; even if only for the reason that nobody knows exactly what would happen and that uncertainty would stunt any form of economic growth and probably throw Europe into a self perpetuating recession. (As each country, now lacking the free trade agreement, attempts to raise revenue by increasing import/export duty, they will drop, decreasing revenue, increasing cost of goods domestically etc).

With regards to the EU being democratic...it has improved a lot. We do now get to vote for an MEP.

The biggest issue with Europe is that the British media is so eurosceptic that it's no wonder that people hate it. However, ignorance is a very dangerous thing, especially if we have a referendum.

[Fordward]

now the EU are monitoring what we write on the internet

it gets more and more like a dictatorship every day

[NTECUK]

free trade is fine.
being told you can't ban meat imports because of this latest problem .!!!
The French and Germans cherry pick what applies to them and get away with it.
Its another corrupt system old boys network..

[Spank86]

to get around this you need a FairFx card (google it!), you can draw out money from just about any atm in the world and not get stung in the backside with charges and an appauling exchange rate. the downside is that you have to deposit money into the 'account' type thing and can't withdraw it as such. tis too difficult to explain in written words for me, but seriously check it out. i used mine all the while i traveled in sout east asia (the little of it that i actually got to go around!) and have since used it in europe as well.

I know it can be got around (although french petrol stations ability to take cards is woeful). My point is it shouldn't have to be. We were sold europe as being a single trading area so going to calais should be no different to popping to london. We need to see more of the promised benefits.

[dizzyblonde]

The biggest issue with Europe is that the British media is so eurosceptic that it's no wonder that people hate it. However, ignorance is a very dangerous thing, especially if we have a referendum.
We aren't the only countries public who despise the EU though are we?

[yorkie_chris]

I know it can be got around (although french petrol stations ability to take cards is woeful). My point is it shouldn't have to be. We were sold europe as being a single trading area so going to calais should be no different to popping to london. We need to see more of the promised benefits.

If it was that free then prices would all end up being the same and there wouldn't be any point in going.

[dizzyblonde]

If it was that free then prices would all end up being the same and there wouldn't be any point in going.

It can be more expensive than here in some places in Europe. We still go.

[yorkie_chris]

Aye but the only purpose to calais is to buy cheap ale or catch a ferry home. Other than that it's a miserable hole.

[Spank86]

If it was that free then prices would all end up being the same and there wouldn't be any point in going.
governments would still set local taxes and duties and companies would still set prices for their products.

Same way as it works in america and indeed in part between northern and southern england.

Aye but the only purpose to calais is to buy cheap ale or catch a ferry home. Other than that it's a miserable hole.
that wouldnt change, although its not that cheap anymore.