getting knee down

[craig dow]

hi
just wanted to know , can you get your knee down on an sv650s curvie ? never done it myself . only been rideing a year , if you do , what advise would you give to some-one , who is wanting to try it ? or is it not wise ? just wanted your thoughts , dont think id have the guts myself , :D

[yorkie_chris]

Yes you can :)

Leave it until the weather warms up!

[Wildkid]

What he said! ^

Your better off learning it on the track as you have room for error + no diesel/potholes/traffic/obsticles

[craig dow]

ok , thanks . dont think id have the guts todo it , wouldnt even try it in this weather , and not on the road , but is it speed you need ? if so what sort of speed are we talking about ? or does that depend on the bend ? or is every one diffrent ,

[chris8886]

don't even bother thinking about it on road, do a trackday, get some tutiton possibly and don't got out with the sole aim of trying to do it. sure fire way to crash when going for your first one. i tell you this from experience! lol

and i nearly forgot, as per picture on the left, it IS possible on a curvy!

[dkid]

Check out these vids

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0v4greHKuI

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlmn9z_mcn-s-guide-to-getting-your-knee-down_auto

[Fallout]

Don't do it in textiles. Make sure you're knee sliders are actually on and you didn't leave them in your wardrobe. :D

[maviczap]

Yes you can :)

Leave it until the weather warms up!

Like he says :cool:

don't even bother thinking about it on road, do a trackday, get some tutiton possibly and don't got out with the sole aim of trying to do it. sure fire way to crash when going for your first one. i tell you this from experience! lol

and i nearly forgot, as per picture on the left, it IS possible on a curvy!

Learn how to do it on a track like Chris8886 says

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=842&pictureid=5695

Its all about your body position on the bike.

If an old fart like me can do it, anyone can :p

[Shawthing]

is it speed you need ? if so what sort of speed are we talking about ? or does that depend on the bend ? or is every one diffrent ,


Ooooh Physics.

Inward force created by lean = Mass x Acceleration due to gravity x Tangent of lean angle to vertical

Centrpital outward force going round corner = Mass x Velocity^2 / Radius of corner.

V^2/R=g Tan a

Assume a = 45 degree lean angle, Tan a =1 so disapears.

1mph = 0.477m/s g =9.8

V (mph) = 6.5 x Square root of Radius (meters)


For a 20meter radius corner = 29mph

(This of corse is for a Bike on perfectly flat road with infinitely thin tyres riding in a vacuum )

Or have i got something wrong.

[Fordward]

another advocate for a track day or even better something like california bike school if you can afford it

[The Idle Biker]

It don't make you fast, safe, sexy or good. Don't worry about it.


PS: I do it but then I'm a fast, safe, bundle of sexy goodness :smt098

[Geodude]

It don't make you fast, safe, sexy or good. Don't worry about it.


PS: I do it but then I'm a fast, safe, bundle of sexy goodness :smt098
:D lol you Sir are a star :D

[Winder]

I'm a nervous, rubbish, slow rider but I can get my knee down no problem. Thing is, how often do you need to do it? I'd say never. Plus I can tell you from experience it doesn't make you a better rider. I've joined an advanced group now and spend my time trying to improve my general riding rather than just winging the bike round a roundabout and wrecking my boots.

[NTECUK]

Find a rounderbout thats quiet.
point that knee
Get ya ass off the seat.

[Fallout]

Here's a video of The Idle Biker showing off his amazing knee down technique, then almost crashing into the verge.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=HwR6YhJCFt4#t=234s

[dizzyblonde]

Just ride the damn bike. Less expensive when you don't try. ;)

[yorkie_chris]

In my experience with road riding I am a LOT faster when I simply let my body position be "natural" and if a knee touches down, fine, but it's a surprise, than if I actually try to make slider meet tarmac. The vast majority of roads don't seem to have the sort of wide open lovely sweepers where the slight increase in corner speed makes much difference.

Then again absolutely nobody who has ever done it wishes they had not done it.

Just having a go will teach you a lot about body position and how the bike responds to rider input, even if you then do all the rest of your riding sat completely inline with the bike.

If you have a go on a warm, dry roundabout on hot tyres the chances of falling off are nearly nil.

[Wildkid]

Like he says :cool:



Learn how to do it on a track like Chris8886 says

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=842&pictureid=5695

Its all about your body position on the bike.

If an old fart like me can do it, anyone can :p
Mavicap, everyone knows you used an angle grinder ;)

[Lozzo]

You can even knee-down a Versys on Michelin Pilot Road 3s with stumpy little legs like mine, so a curvy should easy

http://www.peterwilemanphotography.com/main/index/detail/1756001

[The Idle Biker]

Lozzo you didn't even buy the photo, you kept the freebie one with the watermark!!! Ya tight git ;-)

[yorkie_chris]

The watermark is obscuring his face a bit, it's for all our benefit ;)

[andrewsmith]

In my experience with road riding I am a LOT faster when I simply let my body position be "natural" and if a knee touches down, fine, but it's a surprise, than if I actually try to make slider meet tarmac. The vast majority of roads don't seem to have the sort of wide open lovely sweepers where the slight increase in corner speed makes much difference.

Then again absolutely nobody who has ever done it wishes they had not done it.

Just having a go will teach you a lot about body position and how the bike responds to rider input, even if you then do all the rest of your riding sat completely inline with the bike.

If you have a go on a warm, dry roundabout on hot tyres the chances of falling off are nearly nil.

This!
I don't go knee down (and my regular riding mates don't either), and I'm a quick rider. I have seen police photos of people going knee down and being slower through the corner (the said people were done for causing an obstruction/ riding without due care)

You can even knee-down a Versys on Michelin Pilot Road 3s with stumpy little legs like mine, so a curvy should easy

http://www.peterwilemanphotography.com/main/index/detail/1756001

lol
Is that about 55 degrees of lean?

[dizzyblonde]

So the new trend is to be natural.


Well I'll be:......... Few years of arguments and its all changed :smt073 every man and his dog used to fall over themselves to give advice on how to do it.


You lot must be catching up with the old people!

[The Idle Biker]

This!
and I'm a quick rider

:rolleyes::geek:

[NTECUK]

So the new trend is to be natural.


Well I'll be:......... Few years of arguments and its all changed :smt073 every man and his dog used to fall over themselves to give advice on how to do it.


You lot must be catching up with the old people!

Times change . always used to be scape the pegs back in the early 80's.

[Stuuk1]

Who cares about science etc....

You see a sharp left corner coming up, shift bum over, left ass cheek off the seat, right ass cheek on, left knee out, lean over, left knee on Tarmac, job done.

[NTECUK]

And what's the right turns done wrong ???

[maviczap]

Times change . always used to be scape the pegs back in the early 80's.

Yep, I used to see how many times I could get the pegs/centrestand down on my CG125 on the way home from work, using the twisty way home. :p

[Stuuk1]

And what's the right turns done wrong ???

Never turn right!

[dizzyblonde]

Times change . always used to be scape the pegs back in the early 80's.

I wouldn't say times, some finally grow up and advocate what the rest have done all along :scratch::smt102
Safer and less expensive imo. Nice if it happens accidentally mind.:)


Slowly slowly, catchy worm :;)

[yorkie_chris]

So the new trend is to be natural.


Well I'll be:......... Few years of arguments and its all changed :smt073 every man and his dog used to fall over themselves to give advice on how to do it.


You lot must be catching up with the old people!

I still say learn how to do it, it's ace fun and teaches you a lot.

Probably the best bit is getting the hang of shoving your weight from one side of the bike to the other without influencing the steering. It's really hard to ride (obviously) hanging off if you're hanging off the bars effectively messing up the front suspension.

You're unlikely to manage it accidentally, there's definitely a definite technique to do it without needing some mental lean angles.

And I don't see how anyone can argue against learning. Unless they're some sort of luddite or an extremist camel sh*gger or something.

[dizzyblonde]

Oh....trust me, you can do it accidentally. Especially on a machine designed to flop over into corners*.


Made me giggle. By accident.


*note not as far to lean when seat is knee high ;)

[yorkie_chris]

I have to say I do rather struggle to believe you.

Ye olde NC23s and stuff were easy to get the knee down on but they had a sporty riding position.

[dizzyblonde]

Think what you will

I'm sure Pete or Rictus can validate that for you

[Dicky Ticker]

As I don't wear "Power Ranger" slidders I suppose it would be a bit stupid of me to try on everyday riding.

[Lozzo]

Lozzo you didn't even buy the photo, you kept the freebie one with the watermark!!! Ya tight git ;-)

I've got loads of trackday pics, don't need any more.

[yorkie_chris]

The watermark is partly obscuring your mug... it's for all our benefit. :-P