Locksmiths : any on here?

[Littlepeahead]

Got home tonight and Stu's key has snapped clean off in the lock of the front door. Can't get the broken piece out. If anyone is or knows a locksmith who can give advice before I have to take a day off work I'd be grateful. Can PM pics.

[Bluefish]

You have changed the locks on him haven't you? lol sorry, can you get some pick like things and tweeze it out, those metal scribes might work?

[Littlepeahead]

No. Too far in. I'll post a pic up.

[Stuuk1]

Some really sticky chewing gum on the piece of key you have left in your hand...?

[Littlepeahead]

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=982&pictureid=6788

[Richie]

paper clip with the tiny amount of 90 degree bend at the end and tease it out

[svrich]

Superglue (a very small amount) on the broken surface of the end you have? This happened on our old Discovery but I missed watching the bloke take it out as I made him a cuppa.

[yorkie_chris]

If you can return it back to center you might be able to use another key from other side to push remnants out.
There is little shuttle thing inside cam in middle of lock that will push it 1mm or so and might let you tweeze it.

If you got patience you might be able to grind some tweezers to get down parallel parts of key and grip it.

It won't come out twisted as it is because pins will hold it. Pins can only go up and down when barrel is in straight position.



Don't try sticky stuff you will only end up glueing lock solid

[Nobbylad]

If you can return it back to center you might be able to use another key from other side to push remnants out.
There is little shuttle thing inside cam in middle of lock that will push it 1mm or so and might let you tweeze it.

If you got patience you might be able to grind some tweezers to get down parallel parts of key and grip it.

It won't come out twisted as it is because pins will hold it. Pins can only go up and down when barrel is in straight position.



Don't try sticky stuff you will only end up glueing lock solid

Sharp drill, drill the barrel out and open the door. Bolt it on the inside of you can or screw it shut from inside for security until tomogs when you can get a new barrel from b&q.

Assuming you can get a drill from somewhere (garage/neighbours).

[Nobbylad]

You could always try ramming a screwdriver in there and turning it on the hope that the broken off bit will turn the pins.

[dirtydog]

As YC says its never going to come out if its twisted like that, best bet will be trying a key from the other side and see if you can push it out.
Failing that drill the lock and put a new one in. New locks can be bought from B&Q, screwfix etc. A Yale branded lock is about £15, cheaper ones are about £8.

[Bibio]

there is no need to drill the lock.

if your stuck outside ask a neighbour for a fridge magnet then hold that against the broken part of the key and insert back into lock and wiggle/turn.

once inside then:

try this first. push a paper clip from the other side of the lock then use the broken end of the key to turn the lock while pushing on the paper clip to turn the lock to open position.

this second. there is a small grub/coutersunk screw that holds the barrel assembly in.

remove handle from inside of door, remove faceplate, remove door check face plate then remove the grub screw for the barrel. the barrel should now slide out as long as the key is in the open position.

[Littlepeahead]

We can still open and close door using broken end of the key. Stu took fascia plate off last night but he'd had 3 pints so not convinced he'd have spotted a tiny grub screw. Barrel is too long to use spare key from the other side. The door is one that locks shuts top and bottom with a metal rim so quite complicated.

[yorkie_chris]

Key from other side doesn't push it out at all? It should do, the shuttle must "block" one side of lock for them to work. Did you have it bang on vertical?

Try a thin bit of spring steel if that doesn't work, some cams have small gap especially on cheap locks.

[Littlepeahead]

Managed to sort it. Unscrewed the plate holding on the handle, wiggled the barrel about and managed to straighten it up and then poked the other key through on the other side and used my eyebrow tweezers to get the broken piece out.

That was the original key, not a copy.

[Geodude]

My brother was a locksmith and he said you're cheaper replacing the eurolock (which is held in by one machine screw so no removing handles etc) than getting a locksmith out and its a very easy job. ive added video to explain/help

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When you get the lock out you will need to measure it to get the right size replacement again a video below to show how to do that bit.

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Hope the above is of some help :)

[Geodude]

Ahh welldone lph you posted your fix as i was adding my video links :)

[Doinitmyway]

We make pvc doors so if you need a new euro cylinder let me know. Our std ones are 100mm long with a 50/50 split. Others are special order.

Chris

[Littlepeahead]

Thanks for all the advice guys, really helpful.

Just out of interest Doinitmyway, Do you do new glass panels for PVC doors with a cat flap fitted?

[Doinitmyway]

Yes we can supply a double glazed unit with a hole through for a cat flap. It isn't cheap though as door glass has to be toughened. Because of this our supplier won't put the edge of the hole nearer than 75mm to the edge of the glass.

Last time I priced one up (inc cat flap) I'm sure it was around £150. Anything can be done for the money lol. Customer went with an MDF reinforced white flat panel with cat flap in the end.

Chris

[daveyrach]

My mum has a full length glass door with cat flap in, wasn't cheap about £300-400 for the replacement glass as she just replaced the existing pane.

[Littlepeahead]

Ours is a full length door and so it would need a full new double glazed pane. We replaced 3 small panels in the back door with wood and fitted a cat flap in that and the cats have now worked out how to use it. Though if I am in the kitchen Iggle stands there waiting for me to open the cat flap for him - he thinks I'm his butler.

I'll send you a PM Doinitmyway as I also have a broken window in the garage window which is PVC and one of the panes of glass on the inside had cracked so might be worth either getting your guys round for a quote or a recommendation for a decent glazier as the last lot I called canceled on my 3 times at which point I gave up on them.

[Doinitmyway]

No problem, but I am not around from Sat morning for a week - and there's not a lot I can do from Bavaria ;)

Chris