BBC's The One Show 11/04/2013 - Speeding Bikers

[Cymraeg_Atodeg]

Once again the BBC being even handed - http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.co.uk%2Fiplayer%2Fepisode %2Fb01rwd58%2Fhd%2FThe_One_Show_11_04_2013%2F&ei=vgtsUb6eGcmm0AWg9ID4DQ&usg=AFQjCNHtINGS0GZAvqff63pohlb_u8C9vA&sig2=lD6rRccR-XfIAwy67NNZHA&bvm=bv.45175338,d.d2k

From about 2 minutes onwards they happily explain we are all reckless speed freaks and a danger to everyone... :smt092

[yorkie_chris]

To be fair they've picked on a power ranger area on a sunny day with loads of power rangers.
Get caught there by the (well known) unmarked sneaky f*ckers and you probably deserve it!

However not exactly balanced...

[punyXpress]

They weren't there yesterday! :D

[Fordward]

so who was on the Blue SV with the Suzuki hoodie on then?

a ridiculously biased broadcast

at least the copper started his interview with the word 'minority'

had the BBC had any interest in being balanced they would have finished that article with 'at least a dozen bikers are stopped each time the police are out, but they estimate there are xyz hundred bikers out on these roads each sunny Sunday, so it's less than 1% of riders causing a real issue'

[maviczap]

so who was on the Blue SV with the Suzuki hoodie on then?

a ridiculously biased broadcast

at least the copper started his interview with the word 'minority'

had the BBC had any interest in being balanced they would have finished that article with 'at least a dozen bikers are stopped each time the police are out, but they estimate there are xyz hundred bikers out on these roads each sunny Sunday, so it's less than 1% of riders causing a real issue'

What do you expect for a show targeting the Daily Mail readership

[SvNewbie]

I'd bet if you cornered that police biker over a few pints he'd probably admit to a few indiscretions in his past, if not in his current riding. I'm damn sure he didn't jump straight on a 1300cc bike and feel comfortable chasing people along country roads.

[yorkie_chris]

Makes me laugh "pushing their machines to the limit.... 100mph"... yeah bollox mate, more like a fair to middlin cruising speed :P

[Fordward]

What do you expect for a show targeting the Daily Mail readership

given its probably the second time i've ever watched it (only as a result of this thread) i didn't expect anything in particular

what have my expectations got to do with the bias in the programme?

[Spank86]

on a straight road you can't push anything to the limit (except possibly the tendons in your wrist)

[maviczap]

given its probably the second time i've ever watched it (only as a result of this thread) i didn't expect anything in particular

what have my expectations got to do with the bias in the programme?

You've got the context wrong, its not aimed at you in particular, but the expectations of the type of person who watches this show

[Wideboy]

he didn't really explain very well why, in his words it is necessary for him to follow gathering evidence. Also they didn't say what the cause of that accident at the end was but did you notice that there was a t-junction there with the car involved turned down it? oh i do wonder what could have happened

[Fallout]

This article is correct. All you bikers should be ashamed of yourselves. I hate you all.

[disco2]

This article is correct. All you bikers should be ashamed of yourselves. I hate you all.

Totally agree, your bunch of speed junky freaks, I mean fancy pushing your bike all way to the mad speed of 100mph hang your heads in shame (if that's all you got out of it).:D:D:D:D

[kiggles]

this makes me angry. very angry. Ignorate non-bikers criticizing bikers. Because people hate bikes it will make good news.

- Police woman pulls out on biker and kills him while on the phone. NO ONE CARES (except bikers)
- Car accidents involving bad car drivers no one watches.
- pedestrian walks out on me, gets hurt, yet still at the time people straight away, everyone points the finger at me because I ride a bike. (although the police were level headed about the situation)

the one show is watched by thousands of people as its a prime time on TV and they want to slander bikers..... making the reputation of us even worse.

I can tell you now there are many worse subjects then people on bikes as its a VERY VERY narrow minded opinion of sunday warriors and not day to day riders.


- I now drive daily to work and other peoples driving is insulting compared to a biker doing 100mph on open roads. 4X4 drivers are generally complete utter W***ers, cars always cutting me up causing very dangerous situations. Everyday this week on a short 20 minute commute I have had to slam on my breaks because of other bad drivers. 2 second rule always applies for me, my car is small and cheap and would probably crash me in any accident. But no matter the weather/ speed /road condition people find it acceptable to pull out on me and cut me up to save 1 second on their commute.

- People on Benefits, do I have to say more? there alot to talk about there that apply to more people then bikes

- Bankers......... do i have to say more?

- bad retailers and what they get up to. although there have bbc documentaries on it late at night when no one watchs TV.

- people who go out drinking and cause chaos at night. sure fights etc from that killed more people then the odd sunday warrior

- cyclists who don't follow the rules of the road. I could go on for ages about cyclists, but i dont want to give anyone a headache

seriously??? if your going to pick on one group, do every other F***ing subject relating to it and be diverse about it. Bikers come off worse in accident irrespective who fault it is, but often people assume its the bikers fault and deserves to get hurt. Since going through a recent accident myself because of someones negligents this piece of TV smut makes me want bad things to happen to these shallow minded people.

But BBC needs it rating so might as well continue to publish rubbish like this.

[Fordward]

https://ssl.bbc.co.uk/complaints/forms/?reset=#anchor

[ChrisCurvyS]

I'd bet if you cornered that police biker over a few pints he'd probably admit to a few indiscretions in his past, if not in his current riding. I'm damn sure he didn't jump straight on a 1300cc bike and feel comfortable chasing people along country roads.
Exactly. I've come across several police bikers who give patronising safety advice one minute, then boast about their on-road speeding exploits the next.

It doesn't seem to be online but a year or so ago the MCN FoId all UK police forces and got some interesting stats on unmarked police bikes involved in single-vehicle crashes where the rider was NOT on a shout. Basically, seemed like lots of them saw riding the wheels off a cutting-edge sportsbike (sometimes literally) as a nice perk of the job and were binning it on joyrides.

That aside, thought the One Show item wasn't as bad as it could have been. Obviously there was the insinuation that the crash was automatically the biker's fault but at least they actually bothered to speak to some bikers.

Speaking of which, loved the Yorkshire dad who was clearly getting a kick off the hot young female reporter straddling his bike and feeling the vibrations going up through her pelvic bone!

[stuR]

this makes me angry. very angry. Ignorant non-bikers criticizing bikers.
This^! Dont tar us all with the same boy racer brush.

[Fallout]

The only time I exceed the speed limit is when it is safe to do so. For example, when its kicking out time at a primary school, I will only speed past the ice cream van if the tune isn't playing, otherwise the kids might not hear me coming. Also I tend to bow my head when overtaking hearses so as not to be disrespectful.

[agy]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2013/March/mar2813-insurers-say-bikers-not-to-blame/?fb_action_ids=10152672932910251&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210152672932910251%22%3A392 932597470931%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210152672932910251%22%3A%22og .recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

[agy]

I wish every now and then they concentrated on crap drivers!!! Not a day goes by when I don't have an aggressive driver sitting on my **** cos I choose to stick to the speed limit (or even if I'm already exceeding it) or push in the safe gap I create between me and the car in front!!! AAAARRGGHHH!!! But revenge always comes after they push in cos they are OH GOSH in sooo much hurry and then I get to the front at the next red light and they're stuck 10 cars behind :P

[yorkie_chris]

Also I tend to bow my head when overtaking hearses so as not to be disrespectful.

#snigger#

Aye as you've just woken the corpse with the sound of 10,200rpm being given some rice... :mrgreen:

[Spank86]

The adverts on the radio reckon 30 bikers killed or injured at accidents on junctions a day.

Thats almost 11000 a year. Do the one show not think THAT might be a better focus for the show?

[Fordward]

there are about 350 motorcyclists killed, 5000 seriously injured (means a life changing injury), and about 20,000 with some form of injury in the UK every year

[Spank86]

Well if 11000 of them are at junctions then that's a hell of a %.

[NTECUK]

Typical Bias BBC.

[Cymraeg_Atodeg]

there are about 350 motorcyclists killed, 5000 seriously injured (means a life changing injury), and about 20,000 with some form of injury in the UK every year

The data from Groupama, printed in MCN 3rd April, states that 80% of RTCs involving motorbikes are caused by "other road users."

Now, they don't clarify, because I am sure if you got hit by another bike that is an "other road user."

The other issue is that their data covers 1679 claims between July and September, so, three months worth of info.

Well, if there are 25,350 incidents per year, roughly 2113 per month, then their data roughly covers about than 26% of these accidents. Not a significant amount of data there.

Also, this only covers claims made by the motorcyclists, not those against or never pursued.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with them. From personal experience, my major accidents have been caused by a 3rd party doing something stupid (pulling out while not looking & cutting a corner.)

But, technically I have had two other "incidents." Neither of which warranted reporting as little or no damage was done. (If you wanna know I fell off riding on snow & black ice independently of each other.)

But still, no one seems to form a strong enough case either way.

This TV show says that catch a few bikes every Sunday, but, how many bikers are out over the weekend who didn't ride "recklessly"?

The MCN article doesn't shine enough light on the matter either.

As Bikers our main issue is that in the eyes of "society" at large, we are reckless, dangerous and only out to harm ourselves. This view will never change with the likes of the BBC peddling this kind of tripe without providing all the facts.

Our other problem is that when we do complain, we do it in something like MCN. Now, how many non-bikers do you think read MCN?

For the views of society to change this exchange needs to happen where it can be seen, either in major tabloids, parliament or on the BBC news web-site/TV programmes.

Now, I am about as cynical as they come, so, I think that the over-all view of bikers will never change on the scale of social change. There are too few of us and our "voices" are too quiet.

There are more people that are against bikers and there are few that have loud "voices" that are heard more often and reinstate the misguided belief that we are all dangerous and it is our fault that RTCs happen where we get hurt.

[muzikill]

I turned it off when a hint was made of bikers being irresponsible.

[daveyrach]

Complaint sent!

[Fordward]

Complaint sent!

nice one, no point moaning about it on here if you don't, just like MCN, the BBC won't read it

[NTECUK]

Yep if we all complain then they might do a very small apology.
need the mcn readers on the case

[daveyrach]

I did reference that link in my complaint.

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[ClunkintheUK]

I have found myself being in the misunderstood and hated minority too many times allow myself to keep getting worked up about things like this.

I didn't play football at school, or any of the "man's" sports according a many of my peers. I've been a cyclist in London for decades, though oddly the hatred of cyclists is quite new in my experience, last five years or so. I started working in Finance in 2008 (yeah bright move that one).

Honestly all the blind hatred I have heard about for these groups has all been reported in the papers rather then directed at me, with a couple of exceptions of mates of mates taking exception to drinking with a banker, and frankly I was never too worried about the loss there. Yes there are people who deliberately try to p*ss off bikers, as Agy says, but i have found quite often they are really easy to spot and just let them do their thing and filter away from them. Now if I could only stop swearing at them when they do it i'll be set. ;)

[disco2]

I've been a cyclist in London for decades,
;)

I drive an artic and to be honest I hate going into town with a passion.. You just cant see all the cyclist and no matter how small a gap they will fill it. The worst thing is sitting at lights trying to turn left you keep over to the right to give yourself enough room to make the turn and it gets filled with 9000 bikes.

Going fast on a straight country lane on a motorbike is nothing as brave as riding a push in London.....

[kiggles]

http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/General-news/2013/March/mar2813-insurers-say-bikers-not-to-blame/?fb_action_ids=10152672932910251&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=timeline_og&action_object_map=%7B%2210152672932910251%22%3A392 932597470931%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210152672932910251%22%3A%22og .recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D

That subject will never hit the TV because people won't watch it. I would say a lot of people don't like bikes compared to the people that do. So people won't care.

[ClunkintheUK]

I Won't argue that Disco2. I've seen some horrific cycling in London and Bristol. My point was there is a step between "lots of Cyclists/bikers/wombat enthusiasts are idiots" to "All cyclists have a death wish so i'm not going to bother looking out for them".

Even as a cyclist I get very annoyed at a lot of other cyclists, but then I get annoyed at Minicabs, scooters, buses, 4X4's, Minis, People Carriers, pedestrians all with very specific complaints to the particular group. I just think that most people do not think much beyond what is right in front of their nose whatever vehicle they use.

I have had another cyclist properly shouting at me for getting in the way because i did not go up the inside of an artic that was indicating left. I got out his way then funnily enough he had to jump on the pavement 2 seconds later, and I sailed past overtaking the lorry on the right hand side.

[BigBaddad]

Don't worry about what a bunch of pedophiles has to say about us. I'm sure they're only trying to divert attention away from themselves.

[otaylor38]

Funny how we are all 'taking our bikes to the limit' at 100mph, yet that police busa is 'a superbike capable of nearly 190 mph'.

Thats it then guys, we reach our limit at nearly half the speed of the police, no matter what we ride ;).

Seriously though. Not fair saying we all ride like that. I bet a fair few car drivers have gone balls out over that apparently good (never ridden it myself) road. But thats fine, cos its a car.

[Mr Speirs]

I complained to the BBC as I felt that this report was one of the most biased, unbalanced, patronising and uneccessary attempt to persecute bikers.

Here's what I got back!

Dear Mr Speirs

Thanks for contacting us regarding ‘The One Show’ from 11 April on BBC One.

We understand you were unhappy with Anita Rani’s report on motorcycles on the B1248 link road in East Yorkshire as you felt it was biased against bikers.

This item reported on a specific operation by Humberside police to monitor dangerous driving by some motorcyclists in their area, and was not a criticism of motorcyclists in general. Care was taken to ensure the piece was balanced, and a police officer interviewed in the film made it clear that only a minority of motorcyclists were to blame. We also heard the views of several motorcyclists. The presenter acknowledged that motorcyclists want to stay safe, and when the aftermath of a collision between a car and a motorcycle was shown, was careful not to apportion blame without the facts. Road safety is important to our viewers, and we are confident that this item was a fair and balanced report on a serious issue.

We’d also like to assure you we've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is an internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily and is available for viewing by all our staff. This includes all programme makers and channel controllers, along with our senior management. It ensures that your points, along with all other comments we receive, are considered across the BBC.

Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.

Kind Regards

BBC Complaints

[ClunkintheUK]

That is.... annoying and condescending.

[Fordward]

exact same response i got which means they've had enough complaints to write a stock answer to send to everyone

[daveyrach]

I got exact same response.

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[startrek.steve]

I was there with my son!

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