Honda NC700

[pete m]

what is this bike - anyone know anything about it ?

you may reply - dont be shy !:o

[jambo]

Without posting a "let me google that for you" link it's a little hard to know how to be helpful here Pete.

It's a Honda 700cc twin, there's a number of varients, there's a wikipedia page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honda_NC700_series).

Would you like to throw us a clue about what you want to know, or would you like everyone to quote one random thing about the NC700 until we get bored?

Jambo

[daveyrach]

It has two wheels, one of the variants also has a way of switching between Manual and Auto gear shifts, I looked at one a while ago to replace my SV

[Matt-EUC]

One of the variants is going to "replace" the TransAlp. They are (I think) supposed to conform to the new licence restrictions. (It only has 50bhp so it can be restricted)

[stuR]

Saw one at the honda dealers earlier. Not too fond of it myself

[embee]

Engine concept is aimed squarely at economy, combustion system is essentially a carry over from the Jazz engine. On the Fuelly website, owners are getting genuine 75+mpg.

I test rode a 700X DCT, the dual clutch "auto" version and really liked the engine and transmission, rather too much wind exposure for my liking but I've been spoilt with faired bikes.

[squirrel_hunter]

I've ridden the manual (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2756892&postcount=296) and the automatic (http://forums.sv650.org/showpost.php?p=2756892&postcount=297). But I wouldn't buy one.

[Shawthing]

The Prius of the bike world.

[punyXpress]

He's not pulling a flanker & trying to get it into minitwins is he?

[Dicky Ticker]

I have two of them,so anything you want to know ask---------------wait a minute they are joined together----- its a Honda Jazz.:rolleyes:

[yorkie_chris]

The Prius of the bike world.

Whoa steady on!

The prius has some horrible bodges to appeal to some poncy wazzocks who know nowt about engineering.
The NC700 has some genuine innovation that's made a really clever, useable, if slightly undesirable bit of kit.

I think you are wrong to compare it to a prius.

The real world fuel consumption speaks for itself.

[Dicky Ticker]

Considering it is literally 1/2 a Honda Jazz engine re-engineered, but low revving, and my Honda Jazz does 50 mpg,weighing in at approx. a 1000kgs I would expect the fuel consumption to be good. I don't know the exact figures but it can't be far from 50bhp and 200kgs so the publish fuel figures might be near the mark.

[yorkie_chris]

http://www.fuelly.com/motorcycle/honda/nc700x

Have a look on there you can see people recording their results

[Shawthing]

Whoa steady on!

The prius has some horrible bodges to appeal to some poncy wazzocks who know nowt about engineering.
The NC700 has some genuine innovation that's made a really clever, useable, if slightly undesirable bit of kit.

I think you are wrong to compare it to a prius.

The real world fuel consumption speaks for itself.

OK Large Generalisation,
but was thinking Who's going to buy this?
Someone who wants to tell you how many MPGs they are getting out of it and how they are saving the plannet for future generations!

If it were a car, What would it be?

[yorkie_chris]

OK Large Generalisation,
but was thinking Who's going to buy this?
Someone who wants to tell you how many MPGs they are getting out of it and how they are saving the plannet for future generations!

If it were a car, What would it be?

Someone who wants to get to work cheaply but still with some practicality that you don't get from 125/250cc singles. Despatch riders? People who ride for work and want maximum return from mileage allowance?

Anybody who isn't the pidgeonhole Sunday warrior...


Priuseseses are for posing and don't actually live up to the promises, these actually are just a tool for a job that do what they say on the tin :)

[daveyrach]

Question

Why are new cars taxed depending on CO2 emissions yet new motorcycles are still taxed on engine size. I pretty sure a 20-30year old 600-750cc bike is much dirtier CO2 wise than this bike for example.

[Dicky Ticker]

I don't think it will be all that long before CO2 and noise level comes into the MOT for bikes as most new bikes have catalytic convertors and are pretty quiet compared to the older bikes you talk of------ways of the EU Hopefully if this does happen it will be based on omissions for bikes also

[orose]

On the emissions point, the EU has mandated (as part of the new type approval directive) that emissions information will be on the log book of bikes when it comes into effect. As I understand things, we intend to lobby for an emissions-related tax rate once that information is known.

I think the NC700 range is an interesting take on things, focusing on efficiency over outright performance. That said, it was interesting seeing what the KTM 690 duke could do when that turned up in Bike magazine as well.

[daveyrach]

I am definitely interested in the NC700S, I only use my bike for commuting so suits me down to the ground.

[pete m]

id never heard of it - the research co were looking for owners ...thats all, oh & jambo, dont be a clever clogs, :cool:

[BanannaMan]

Save money buy a scooter.

t's a 475 pound 48 hp bike with a 60 inch wheel base.

Translated:
Goes like a scooter.
Steers like a cruiser.

It does however 'look like' an adventure bike.


One of the top bike magazines here has the NC compared with scooters this month.
The Honda finished a solid second behind a scooter after being bested in speed, handling and comfort, and load capacity.

I suppose it fills a niche, for scooter riders who want to pose as motorcyclists.

[Lozzo]

Of course they get great MPG - the people that buy them don't buy them because they are a fun or exciting bike to ride, they buy them purely because they are economical and they never get close to stretching the throttle cables... and as they're a Honda they're boring, which perfectly suits the personalities of the target market. Buying an NC700 is the motorcycling equivalent of moving to Eastbourne to die. They're a motorcycle for people who've given up motorcycling for fun. I've had more fun on a YBR125.

And yes, I've ridden a couple, before anyone asks.

[yorkie_chris]

I've had more fun on a YBR125.

To be fair the YBR our lass had was an absolute p*sser to ride. Slinging about through traffic at about a million rpm with the throttle set to "on".

Boredom aside, I still think they're one of the most interesting designs out there for innovation rather than just doing the exact same stuff as everyone else.

[embee]

We're lucky that the various manufacturers make a wide variety of machines, something to suit everyone's taste and requirements.

If we were all the same there'd be a lot of Popes about.

The NC700 spec is compromised by the legislation categories (thanks politicians). In principle it could be developed to give a slightly extended speed range (around 7500rpm max power with an 80mm stroke possible) and thus more power while retaining the economy potential of the current spec by use of VVT and/or different intake philosophy, but that wasn't the point of this design and it would obviously add cost. It has deliberately been kept simple and relatively cheap, and as such is a pretty good execution of the concept IMO. Not everyone's cup of tea, I'll accept.

[embee]

Question

Why are new cars taxed depending on CO2 emissions yet new motorcycles are still taxed on engine size. I pretty sure a 20-30year old 600-750cc bike is much dirtier CO2 wise than this bike for example.

It was a political decision. the UK argument went that it was not practical to do the testing on motorcycles, which is not strictly true.

There is a worldwide harmonised motorcycle emission test cycle and some manufaturers are already quoting fuel economy according to that standard (I believe).

If road tax (UK) for bikes was based on CO2 it would be difficult for politicians to justify the huge discrepancy between bikes and cars because it would be directly comparable scales, most middleweight bikes will probably come in under 110gm/km which would put the road tax at £20/year rather than the £78 it currently is. As it stands they can say it's based on different criteria so can't be compared.