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DrrTom
26-04-13, 01:39 PM
I know most people will have scottoilers on here and why not I didn't know anything else existed until I decided that there must be a cheaper way.

The most viable competitor I have found thus far is the Tutoro system, the automatic ones are supposedly top up and go, easy fitting and by all accounts sound very easy and reliable and interchangeable between bikes, I must say I am tempted.

Loobman is another alternative but it is not constant delivery so yes woud make it easier and prevent wear etc.. but not as simple as a scottoiler or tutoro.

Does anyone else know any reliable alternatives, and has anyone used a Tutoro system?

maviczap
26-04-13, 02:46 PM
Janyneflakes has the automatic version and is impressed with it

I was going to get the basic one, but I'm going to get the auto one

NTECUK
26-04-13, 03:51 PM
The Basic Tutoro is ok for a bit of an easyer way to do a quik squirt of gear oil.
If you plan on doing long distance commutes and touring Its too much for it.Its also a git to get the feed right.Some days i get home(18miles) and its not gone down a spiders eyebrow ,the next its out with the fairy liquid and a hose.

Runako
26-04-13, 04:06 PM
Loobman chain oiler

MJC-DEV
26-04-13, 05:59 PM
I've had both the Scot oiler and Auto Tutoro. While the scot oiler is excellent I actually prefer the Auto Tutoro which I current have on my SV. Photos of the fitting on this site.

Jayneflakes
26-04-13, 06:56 PM
I have used both the manual and the auto Tutoro oilers and love the auto. The manual is great for the price, but it does have some limitations and makes a real mess if you forget to turn it off!

I have also fitted the wife's ZRX with an auto oiler and find it works just as well as the one on my SV, even though the mounting is done differently. I should point out that I have never used a Scott Oiler or the Lubeman, the Tutoro system so impressed me when I looked into them, that I have never wanted anything else. There is a thread on here somewhere where I showed how and where I mounted mine. One small addition I would make though is getting some of Bibio's fab mounting plates (pointy only, sadly for curvy owners) because the oil feed pipe is always in the perfect place with them. :D

DrrTom
26-04-13, 08:56 PM
Thanks guys good responses I made up my mind and ordered the tutoro auto deluxe, pretty much the same price as the scottoiler V system, and sounds amazingly versatile in where I can put it no faffing with vacuum. I liked what you have done jayneflakes putting it near the rear shock, is that awkward to refill? Ordered a new R and G tail tidy as well so will take the whole rear end off next weekend and give it all a bit of a clean. I've had the bike last 2 years and am planning to do a lot to it over the next year or so. For the savvy out there the Tutoro company charge 50p less on there oiler postage costs if you buy on eBay don't know why just an observation.

Does anyone have a favourite chain oil or is the tutoro oil ok? I've always used motor oil, did try the dry lube stuff but not a fan so best oil for oilers?

for anyone else interested in oilers I came across two other the PD oiler and the Acumen electronic both with there own strengths, but ultimately given the feedback and reviews I think the tutoro auto is going to be the dogs danglies :)

Which evil people decided my uni exams should be when the weather is nice and I want to work on my bike but should be revising :(

Jayneflakes
27-04-13, 12:45 AM
I have a hugger and a tail tidy fitted, so the bolt hole I used is from the plastic shield that was removed. Filling is easy, I use an oil can and pump it in, no mess or fuss.

For oil I used the Tutoro chain oil and in winter found it got so thick in the cold that it did not pump so well. I ended up using a mixture of engine oil and chain oil, which worked well.

I recently began thinking about using old motor oil, but am not sure if it is a good idea hence my not having tried it yet.

Good luck with your new toys, your bike will love you for them. :D

NTECUK
27-04-13, 12:08 PM
I use ATF winter.summer(+10'C) gear oil
oil can method to fill it .Squirty hand cream can for long trips in seat hump

MJC-DEV
29-04-13, 07:34 AM
I'm actually using up my old Scot oil, but Tutoro say you can use 10W40 motor oil which I will do next.

haggis
29-04-13, 08:43 AM
I had a standard Scotty on the sv for many years/miles and it was ok, but I always thought the price (£70 back then) is quite steep for what u get. It eventually gave up, but I reckon it did 35k/7 years service.

So I got a tutoro for the tuono. I don't think its ever worked properly, and the reservoir cap is a poor fit - nearly resulted in dumping its contents over my rear tyre! Not good!!!! £20 for a bit of 15mm acrylic tubing, plus a bit of hose and crappy tap thing. They're having a laugh! Maybe the deluxe works better, you would expect so at 4x the price!


I've gone back to the oil can squirt method, for peace of mind. I understand it isn't ideal for everyone, but I know i put the right amount of oil on while warming her up, and unless I have planned really huge amount of miles to do in a day (ie. over 500, say) it suits me fine.

You've got me thinking of designing my own system now, lol. 8-)

DrrTom
29-04-13, 09:13 AM
I was looking into designing my own because alternatives for everything but the auto flow system are available at most diy/parts stores, I was gonna get standard auto kit but decided the cost and effort of making mounting bracket and dual nozzle etc... was worth extra £20 quid. It still seems dear but it not here yet so cant say how good it is. I'm sure anyone with a bit of engineering knowledge could play around and make something and if they could retail a product at under £50-60 I think they would be laughing all the way to the bank.

aesmith
29-04-13, 09:21 AM
I use ATF winter.summer(+10'C) gear oil
oil can method to fill it .Squirty hand cream can for long trips in seat hump
ATF is just about the only sort they specifically say not to use. Why would that be? I assume you've found it suitable.

punyXpress
29-04-13, 09:47 AM
You've got me thinking of designing my own system now, lol. 8-)

Did that 50 years ago for my scoot:

One aliminium cigar tube
One model aircraft carburettor ( needle Valve )
One bit of tubing.
Job jobbed, total cost nil, but the model engine never ran again :(

NTECUK
29-04-13, 12:28 PM
ATF is thin.
so its not good if you ham fist the tap .
my tap is easy to get to so I flick it on when I'm moving.
Auto trans have complicated oil ways seals etc so can't think any other reason than viscocity .
It cleans the salt and grit from the rollers .EP oil sticks the grit too it when its cold .

aesmith
29-04-13, 12:40 PM
ATF is thin.
so its not good if you ham fist the tap .
my tap is easy to get to so I flick it on when I'm moving.
Auto trans have complicated oil ways seals etc so can't think any other reason than viscocity .
It cleans the salt and grit from the rollers .EP oil sticks the grit too it when its cold .
Thanks. When I was rummaging around looking for something to put in mine, I had some ATF in a convenient bottle, and no other use for it. I'll give it a try. At the moment I'm using gear oil and as you say it is very sticky on the chain.

NTECUK
29-04-13, 02:35 PM
Would'nt use it now its warmer.
We get second hand stuff feom auto boxes and D40 trandfer boxes.

aesmith
29-04-13, 03:21 PM
Just got an answer back from Tutoro saying it degrades their plastic parts and seals, so maybe it depends on the exact type of ATF.

stuR
29-04-13, 05:03 PM
Im curious..how does the auto tuturo work anybody know??

NTECUK
29-04-13, 05:16 PM
Ok. Best i get old 10_30 in it over winter

aesmith
29-04-13, 05:44 PM
Im curious..how does the auto tuturo work anybody know??
Unscientific answer - there's a weight that jiggles up and down inside the oiler, and that jiggling opens the valve. When the bikes stopped the weight keeps the valve closed.

stuR
29-04-13, 08:51 PM
Ah interesting, thats satisfied my curiosity! I think ill be getting an auto tuturo as i like the no fuss/frills sorta thing and the ease of putting it on..

stuR
12-05-13, 04:17 PM
How long does the auto take to install? just wondering if its worth buying now even tho itll only be on my crrent bike a few months, gotta be better than adjusting the chain every 2 weeks tho!

aesmith
12-05-13, 05:21 PM
Very quick, could probably fit it in half an hour if you're not too fussed about finding the neatest possible location. Don't cut the pipe too short if you're thinking of moving it to a new bike shortly, although it wouldn't be the end of the world to get some more.

Have a look at the installation videos on Youtube.

stuR
12-05-13, 05:25 PM
Thought at much, cheers!