Chain rivet/flaring tool needed or advice.

[muzikill]

Bought one of these
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/200893850861?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

(sh*te the riveter was made of cheese or wrong type for a 525 vx chain)

In this thread it's detailed
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=198270

Tried the local garage to sort it out and get the following message back...

"Unfortunately I only have one mechanic at the moment and as you can imagine with the weather lately things have got busier and we need him here during opening hours. We don't have a van at the moment to collect it, but if you can get the bike down here, we'll certainly do it for you. We would advise NOT riding it down, but if you could sort a trailer or van yourself then give us a shout."

two choices another garage or probably for the same price to get it fixed a tool that works...

http://www.mandp.co.uk/productsList.aspx?style=0&kw=chain%20Tools

Was thinking this should have been the right one.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Motorcycle-Chain-Breaker-Riveter-Riveting-Tool-Kit-420-532-Chains-Motrax-/111050285465?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item19db1ce199
http://www.mandp.co.uk/productinfo/502184/Chains-and-Sprockets/Chain-Tools/Thor

Or go diy?

http://www.kawiforums.com/how-tos-faqs/121549-diy-chain-rivet-tool.html

:(

[maviczap]

I've got something like this, made by Lazer

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-Bike-Motorcycle-Chain-Splitter-Breaker-Link-Rivet-Riveter-Repair-Tool-/380437276686?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item5893d4280e

Its only suitable for doing hollow pin chain rivet links, not solid pin ones. I managed to bugger up some of the pins in the tool, by trying to rivet solid pins.

But it does the job on hollow pins, I just need to buy some spare rivet pins to replace the ones I've buggered up, which are also available on Ebay

[Pricey12]

May be a hassle and additional expense, but you could buy a split link to make the bike rideable to get to garage.

[muzikill]

May be a hassle and additional expense, but you could buy a split link to make the bike rideable to get to garage.

The links already fitted on the new one.

[muzikill]

I've got something like this, made by Lazer

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bicycle-Bike-Motorcycle-Chain-Splitter-Breaker-Link-Rivet-Riveter-Repair-Tool-/380437276686?pt=UK_Hand_Tools_Equipment&hash=item5893d4280e

Its only suitable for doing hollow pin chain rivet links, not solid pin ones. I managed to bugger up some of the pins in the tool, by trying to rivet solid pins.

But it does the job on hollow pins, I just need to buy some spare rivet pins to replace the ones I've buggered up, which are also available on Ebay

You think the lazer version is rebadged?

[maviczap]

Looks almost identical, Laser is in a blue box, everything else looks the same

I'm considering buying this one, as its only a couple or quid more than a set of replacement pins

[muzikill]

Ordered. Thanks for the advice. Lets hope this can flare better than the other piece of dog turd i bought.

[rictus01]

I have the same type, been used for over ten years, do hundreds if not thousands of chains with it, taught a couple of hundred how to use it to, only damage has been from improper use, mines a bit worn now, but still serviceable.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p206x206/643888_10151131166169135_62471016_n.jpg

Cheers Mark.

[garynortheast]

Have a read of this http://www.pinkmotors.hu/did/arlista/lancszerelo_szerszam.pdf

There are two different pin types for the riveting process, depending on the chain type. Having said that I did use the "wrong" type for the riveting and it did the job with some care (I have exactly the same chain tool that you bought).
Hollow links only though.

[muzikill]

Well if i get stuck trying to work out how to use it to flare i know to ask you two!

[Pricey12]

The links already fitted on the new one.

Ah, my mistake. Didn't read the original thread.

[muzikill]

Have a read of this http://www.pinkmotors.hu/did/arlista/lancszerelo_szerszam.pdf

There are two different pin types for the riveting process, depending on the chain type. Having said that I did use the "wrong" type for the riveting and it did the job with some care (I have exactly the same chain tool that you bought).
Hollow links only though.

I posted that link in my other thread tbh. Its a d.i.d. hollow type rivet but the other tool i have didnt have the right flaring pin.

[maviczap]

damage has been from improper use, mines a bit worn now, but still serviceable.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/p206x206/643888_10151131166169135_62471016_n.jpg

Cheers Mark.

Yes, I was a numpty trying to flare solid rivets, I know better now.

Just need some replacement pins, but the flaring pin will still do the job

[garynortheast]

It took me a little while to work out from the diagrams and pictures which of the two positions to use for each function - pin removal on the old chain, pressing on the side plate on the new chain and the pin flaring process. If the get it wrong you stand a good chance of making a mess of the pin.
I did spend quite a while phoning different suppliers to try and get the "correct" pin with the groove around it but nobody has one, so I used the pin that came with the tool.

[muzikill]

Ah, my mistake. Didn't read the original thread.

No probs. At least between the two threads i will sort it & its another job described to the org for others to do.

[muzikill]

My one arrived today with no instructions. I think this is how it should be setup to flare. Set me right guys?

Much head scratching what the rest does eg. Anvils?

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7299/8722769717_8858e476b6.jpghttp://farm8.staticflickr.com/7326/8723901862_794a9f1159.jpg

The spring goes inside to keep the tension on? & this is the right pin to flare/rivet?

[rictus01]

not quite, you'll need one of cups (anvil) to locate on the other end of the pin, otherwise you'll just push it out.

secondly you should screw the "sleeve" bit down (around the pin) over the riveter to support it (and prevent it sliding sideways), then turn the inner bolt to push the riveter on, do a half or full turn and back it off, screw the sleeve back and check how you're doing, then do the same again, until you've got it done.

Cheers Mark.

[muzikill]

not quite, you'll need one of cups (anvil) to locate on the other end of the pin, otherwise you'll just push it out.

secondly you should screw the "sleeve" bit down (around the pin) over the riveter to support it (and prevent it sliding sideways), then turn the inner bolt to push the riveter on, do a half or full turn and back it off, screw the sleeve back and check how you're doing, then do the same again, until you've got it done.

Cheers Mark.


Ta dood found this also... did you measure the flare or just judge it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygJZuzjvIMY

[rictus01]

yeah that's pretty much it, only thing I'd add (which isn't shown) at 8.25 on the video, at the point screw down the sleeve bit over the pin , then advance the riveter (you won't be able to see it at this point), a turn to start with and back off and have a look, then by half turns.

Cheers Mark.

[muzikill]

Sorted :) spread of rivet is .230" which is just right for a VX chain. Half turns then quarter turns to get each rivet correct. I was scared in case i riveted too far so i used a digital caliper to measure the spread!

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7301/8729250830_60e15c5fe6.jpg

Checkout the state of the old one.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7391/8729251492_828347c147.jpg

It was gunged up to the max & had around 3 seized links.

So as far as tools go for the job. A hacksaw to cut the old one off, a digital caliper that measures in inches if your cack scared in case you rivet too far & the following.

Tool on the left GOOD, tool on the right SH*T.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7397/8728135603_eb8912081f.jpg


Thanks for the advice :)

[maviczap]

Cool, I'll buy one of the red box ones, just as cheap as buying spare pins

[muzikill]

Cool, I'll buy one of the red box ones, just as cheap as buying spare pins

£23.00

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380437276686?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649

Plus the flaring tool still looks good after doing my new chain.