YZF750r as a second bike?

[mills94]

sorry if this has already been covered somewhere, but wanted to know how a yzf750 would compare to the sv, have my eye on one at a reasonable price in which i would keep until my restriction is off next year. the plan would be to use keep my curvy for sensibletrips and longer distance, and the yzf would be used for the occasional blast and run out on sunny days. it also has the rear ohlins as standard.

[rb8989]

For a blast you could look at a supermoto. I think a decent sportsbike will do distance just as well as the sv anyway so if you want one just get one. Sv might be a bit better on fuel but that's vastly outweighed by the cost of insuring, taxing, maintaining and owning two bikes. Loved my SV but I wanted more power, and IMO better suspension, more wind protection, better handling ect.

I sold the SV and I bought a sportsbike.

[STRAMASHER]

Could be an SP if its got an ohlins as standard. Nice.

I reckon the yzf is a better distance bike tho'. Big ol' fairing and spacious riding position compared to an SV.

Any yam you want to give extra attention to clutch and gearbox. Not their strong point.

[mills94]

cheers for your advice guys, i have thought about a supermoto but its probably more to buy a decent supermoto than the yzf as these seem to be going cheap, also fancy experiencing the inline 4 for fun rather than a pokey single. i suppose you could describe the yzf as cheap speed and on a run probably would be good for distance. think my problem is i want too many things with too little money :) although i may have a go on getting the yzf.

thanks for the info about the clutch and gearbox, i expect it probably would be more of a pain to service aswell, having them 20valves! but it may be worth it if its cheap enough. by next year it will only be around £300 to insure too.

[rb8989]

Probably but theyre dirt cheap to insure (sms) and usualy come with both sets of wheels so you can overtake sports bikes on the tight stuff and cut through the greenlanes home. Swap wheels and take it to enduro/mx tracks.

If you want to try an IL4 though, do, because you need to! After a while you'll either stick with them or pass that phase and get something else.

[mills94]

yeah thats what my dad reckons, supermoto would be good he said as i have my curvy for road, the yzf i'm looking at finishes on ebay tomorrow so we'll see, and yeah i want to have a go on the inline 4, just for the rush, love my curvy to bits but would love to have a little more oomph for overtaking.

[rb8989]

I have an sm and a il4 sportsbike so you cant go far wrong. SM gets ridden 90% of the time though...

I might go for a big twin next, loads of horsepower is nice but its only really usable when youre going for it which WILL get you in trouble one way or another !

[mills94]

hmm I suppose so, by the way I missed out on the yzf by a mere £5!! I do intend to keep my eye out for a second bike, a crf250x would be nice for an SM as i could still ride it without restricting but they seem to hold their value well. still have an itch for a 4 cylinder though. perhaps my license would be safer without one but i need to try one eventually! my dad reckons that my curvy with the restrictors removed in the next 12 months will be a lot quicker anyway which may keep me happy...

[rb8989]

It's that 'holy grail' the mentality that only a il4 is fast enough. I certainly wanted to see what the fuss was about and they're really fun, really fast and they sound amazing.
I find all those things add up to a good bike but singles and twins still do some things better than a peaky il4 and vice versa. I want to try a litre twin next probably a 990 super duke. A triple too.

You'll be more than happy with the sv and restricted it would beat the yzf as a road bike I think.

[mills94]

it must be that! its going to bug me until I have one, it was between that and the zxr750 originally, I love my sv as it has grunt from the bottom end which is good as it means I still have some power even though its restricted, i'm not ever contemplating of getting rid as i've spent a fair bit on her and she rides well, and is extremely good on fuel. my friend has a cbr600f-sport and the way it accelerates is amazing, but it needs massive revs to do it and he spends a heck of a lot more time in the petrol station than me haha. I would love to try a late nineties triumph daytona as they're supposed to be the best of both apparently, bit of grunt low down and give it revs and it is similar to an IL4, the superduke would be amazing to ride, wheelie machine I bet! really appreciate your comments they're definitely food for thought!

[rb8989]

You're like me, a bit of a kid in a candy store and just want to ride every bike. It's clique to say but I just love bikes, all of them, they're all good for something.

When you get an il4 you'll want to go to the track to really enjoy the bike unless you're a nutter but they're hard to push on the road, they want sweeping 100mph corners and such.

I enjoy my sm as round the lanes im at legal speeds but can genuinely push the bike.

You could do this on a sportsbike too but they like to hold their line and arent as easy to ride fast in the tight stuff, and generally will be noticeably slower than a good SM with an equal rider (a lot of people on the ccm forums said they got an SM after being overtaken by one on their litre bikes in the twisties).

It's the same thing that makes the sv a good bike in the twisties but x10, at the expense of distance capabilities.

Another nice thing about the SM's is altering your line mid corner. Pile of fresh horsecrap? Not a problem. New pothole on your favourite corner? go round or even over it leant over. The suspensions really good on the worthwhile models.

The most important one is a moron in a car over the line on your side, you can nip in and away quicker.

You can see I like my SM's, but they're terrible for distance unless you gear them up, but that's no fun.

That's what makes the sv so good, but not as good as either.. Bit of an essay and no worries, love a bit of bike waffle.

[instigator]

I had one for a while.

Good bits: Very friggin fast compared to an sv650 (would annihilate one). Big ol' fairing. Comfortable compared to newer sportsbikes and feel a little more practical out-of-town.

Bad Bits: They're old. Emulsion tubes in carbs are a weak point and expensive to replace. The exup valves on the downpipes have a tendency to be an issue. They drink oil like a thunderace. Finding GOOD quality parts for them is hard. Finding **** ones is easy. They can be stupidly thirsty. Infact, that's the reason why I sold it... couldn't get anywhere near 40mpg. They're friggin heavy and cumbersome at slow speeds. Finish on exhaust system is horrendous. I found the build quality to be quite poor too. (I had the SP version)

I wouldn't touch another and wouldn't recommend anyone pay over £900 for one. Any old 750 will be a headache but I guess you know that by now. I know them intimately having assisted in replacing the engine, replacing downpipes, upgrading brakes, replacing emulsion tubes blah blah blah. And I don't want to see another one ever again!

[mills94]

I think you've hit the nail on the head, I am just like a kid in a candy shop! if I had the money I would have a big kitted out garage and a bike for every occasion! one can only dream though haha. Before I got my sv I was seriously into getting a CCM 644 SM, but thought against in as I had a trip to Belgium planned for a 4-day period and thought my backside wouldnt survive that kind of distance on one of them! only just made it on the SV haha. plus didnt know how bad it would effect the power with one of them due to my restriction. yeah me too, nice to be able to talk to someone who has tried a few different types of bikes and is along the same kind of wavelength!

cheers for your input instigator, looks like a fair few problems, I knew about the oil consumption but not the rest of it! I would have had a massive shock when it came to fill up then haha, my SV gets at least 55mpg minimum!, I'm sure if I were in your shoes that would put me off aswell lol.

[rb8989]

An SM would be good restricted however do note that you have a power to weight restriction too I think or is that just the new licenses?

644 is the suzuki engine, not as powerful and nowhere near as tunable (see about 50hp max vs 90 at the wheel on the rotax at the really high end of tuning them) And at stage 1 (mine) I have 60-65 and the best ive seen even with cams and a 710 kit on the suzi lump is 46.

That yzf sounds like a right lemon, get something in a few years when you know what you want better. I will also take my own advice.

[mills94]

I think your right in saying about the power to weight ratio, it does apply to mine aswell I believe, 65bhp from one of them sounds like a lot of fun! especially with the low weight of them things! yeah i'm laying of the search for one of them at the moment. doesnt sound too clever and I cant afford to buy something and have to keep replacing bits and buying oil all the time!

[Thunderace]

They drink oil like a thunderace.

:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040:smt040 I can confirm a big old Yam will have you measuring oil in MPG!:smt104

[mills94]

Lol, not too good for the wallet!

[rb8989]

I prefer light bikes but you may not, test ride a few! 690 duke?

[mills94]

690 duke would be a blast but they're still quite pricy. I'll be honest, after the ride i've had today with my dad, i'm a lot more satisfied with my SV. cant wait till the restrictors come off! when I have a better job I will probably be in the market for a nice SM, crf450 would be nice! a ktm would probably be better distance wise though

[rb8989]

The small, light (often a litre, low oil capacity) and powerful SM/MX bikes are great but high maintainence. new ktms are meant to be pretty good service wise. CCM rotax has oil in frame and holds nearly three but at my state of tune I change the oil every 500 miles!

Enjoy your sv, plenty of fun to be had at full power.

[mills94]

yeah fair point, forgot about that! 10hours riding, another 2 servicing haha. jeez thats quite often! I suppose its worth it for piece of mind though. yes I hope so too, now I have learnt how to get the best from it I will probably be content for a while haha. some subtle improvements will be added soon though, double bubble screen being the first, possibly try another rear shock if it seems worth it and cheap enough!