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I was just wondering what is the point in restricting to 33bhp? or 46 (I think it is now)?
Myself I don't really see the point in it, but that's just me.
Can I get some reasons/opinions? May make me understand reasoning for it.
Thanks! :p
Jackie_Black
16-05-13, 07:12 PM
It lets you get used to riding bikes on roads without too much power. I doubt there is many stats to back any of it up but i know what a 17 year old me would have done on a 180hp sports bike having just come from a 250 2 stroke crosser....
Probably died, and quickly.
Suppose that would make sense!
Just not sure why people are limited on bikes, because you're only limited on a car to what insurance you can get/afford.
It's a measure designed to make owning a motorcycle more awkward, thereby reducing participation and so reducing KSI statistics.
There is no real evidence linking accidents to BHP but there is evidence showing that staged licence regimes reduce accidents by the same amount that they reduce motorcycle riding.
Idiocy borne of a political inability to accept that we're not designed to live forever.
IMO :)
Hahaha, that is too true!
I just think that if you're going to red line every gear and race about, you won't change that much over the two years.
Only reason I can see is to get used to the bike, but I think it's better to have access to all the power. Because now I have to work the engine more to get it going. Whereas I only had to put it in 3rd or fourth with a little throttle to keep at 30-40 mph now it's a lot more annoying.
Was happier with the full 69 (although few horses may have escaped) :(
TheRuffellator
16-05-13, 09:24 PM
I would say its to encourage/enforce people to step up to bigger bikes. Personally I think it's a good idea, don't think I'd trust myself a year ago.. Or now on a 180bhp super sports bike :L
Mikey360
16-05-13, 09:26 PM
I remember having my CBF restricted, I didn't have a car at the point so was travelling about 50 miles a day to work. It did save my skin a few times not having that extra power, being quicker or accelerating harder would have caused me to run into the back of traffic or into a tree.
It wasn't a very powerful bike in the first place, but not having that extra power to push it to the next level did make sense to me and I stuck too it for a year and a half until I got my SV.
It did set me up quite well, it was like a stepping stone for me.
Ruffellator (sorry not sure how to quote things) - I can see your point for 180hp would be quite a leap in my case going from a cbf (14hp) to 180, would be like strapping a rocket to it.
Mikey - I will be travelling from Taunton to Plymouth (when I switch uni's) soon so maybe when I get a lot of milage under my belt, it may make more sense. However I'm struggling at the moment to see why D:
Mikey360
16-05-13, 09:36 PM
Mikey - I will be travelling from Taunton to Plymouth (when I switch uni's) soon so maybe when I get a lot of milage under my belt, it may make more sense. However I'm struggling at the moment to see why D:
Trust me buddy, it will be more than enough to commute with, I'd advise getting an all rounder bike, not a super sport thing otherwise the restricter will kill it. Plus it will do many more miles to the gallon and it'll use ALOT less fuel! :-P
Sid Squid
16-05-13, 09:40 PM
Tam summed it up about right.
What is the point in restricting?
You may well ask. A number of people well acquainted with the subject questioned it too.
The suggestion that 17 year olds would be riding billion horsepower megabikes and redecorating the scenery with blood and guts is just not a realistic scenario. In the main, people's motorcycling choices were made by their buying ability, rather than their desire to own fast machines. Simply put larger, faster bikes are the preserve of those who can afford to buy, and importantly insure, them. There are of course exceptions, but they are they are just that; exceptions, not the rule.
There are also older, more solvent, people entering biking, who are subject to the same restrictions, but even where they might otherwise choose larger, faster bikes, the facts are that accidents may happen to them - but they happen to 17-25 year olds way more often
Restrictions are an easy way of making it harder to take up motorcycling - that's what they're there for.
TheRuffellator
16-05-13, 09:42 PM
It did save my skin a few times not having that extra power, being quicker or accelerating harder would have caused me to run into the back of traffic or into a tree
Yeah I can definitely agree with that from when I was on my 400. Also knowing that no matter how hard I pulled the throttle back it wouldn't wheelie and wouldn't spin up.. Even in the wet mostly.
Ruffellator (sorry not sure how to quote things) - I can see your point for 180hp would be quite a leap in my case going from a cbf (14hp) to 180, would be like strapping a rocket to it.
Click qoute at the bottom right of the post :D Yeah exactly, It does suck being on a restricted license. But IMO I reckon it's a good Idea.
Trust me buddy, it will be more than enough to commute with, I'd advise getting an all rounder bike, not a super sport thing otherwise the restricter will kill it. Plus it will do many more miles to the gallon and it'll use ALOT less fuel! :-P
I have a '00 sv s, just trying to work out my mpg at the moment. But if I get better fuel consumption that would be a bonus! :D
Click qoute at the bottom right of the post :D Yeah exactly, It does suck being on a restricted license. But IMO I reckon it's a good Idea.
Thanks! Some reason when I tried before it just messed up and didn't have correct formatting.
Well only 1 and a half years left!
TheRuffellator
16-05-13, 09:46 PM
Restrictions are an easy way of making it harder to take up motorcycling - that's what they're there for.
I do agree with that though!
Tam summed it up about right.
You may well ask. A number of people well acquainted with the subject questioned it too.
The suggestion that 17 year olds would be riding billion horsepower megabikes and redecorating the scenery with blood and guts is just not a realistic scenario. In the main, people's motorcycling choices were made by their buying ability, rather than their desire to own fast machines. Simply put larger, faster bikes are the preserve of those who can afford to buy, and importantly insure, them. There are of course exceptions, but they are they are just that; exceptions, not the rule.
There are also older, more solvent, people entering biking, who are subject to the same restrictions, but even where they might otherwise choose larger, faster bikes, the facts are that accidents may happen to them - but they happen to 17-25 year olds way more often
Restrictions are an easy way of making it harder to take up motorcycling - that's what they're there for.
Thanks for that!
I guess it may just be because I don't really have the need for speed, my family never had much money so I treasure valuable things. I just like the feel of a torquey engine when you blip the throttle a little. I would rather perfect cornering (as i'm not fully confident yet at it) than go 200mph through traffic like a wannabe ghost rider.
Fallout
16-05-13, 09:58 PM
I disagree with you lot who think there is little or no correlation between power, age and accidents. Every time I've stepped up in power I've scared myself at least a little, and put myself in more dangerous situations. Examples include accidental first gear wheeley on the Gixxer (many witnesses!), stonking into corners too fast, coming up too quickly behind traffic, taking more daring overtakes because I had the power that turned out to be somewhat risky, and more.
Luckily I've stepped up in power gradually with a mostly sensible head on my shoulders, so all those 'moments' weren't too bad and didn't result in any accidents. If I was a little more reckless or had made the jump too quickly, I'd say there would be a decent chance I would've stacked it at least once.
Things happen so much more quickly on a super sports. You need to work up to that level of reaction by developing it to become intuitive and automatic over time. It's just not possible to deal with that power from day 1. The people who think it is have either been riding so long they've forgotten what it was like the first time they had the power, or they can't put their sensible head into the mind of an inexperienced and reckless kid, of which there are many.
It makes perfect sense IMO. Tax is the way government discourages things (fags, alcohol etc.), so while taxing bikes is cheap, I don't believe there is some agenda to get rid of motorcyclists. They're just trying to nanny us and save lives, and as frustrating and annoying as it is, it probably is safer IMO.
TheRuffellator
16-05-13, 09:59 PM
I would argue that some bikes are cheap these days but still quick! Take the srad 750, £1500-£2000 roughly for a bike that does 160+ what 17-18 year old isn't tempted with that even if you are sensible..?
Agree with you there Fallout
I disagree with you lot who think there is little or no correlation between power, age and accidents. Every time I've stepped up in power I've scared myself at least a little, and put myself in more dangerous situations. Examples include accidental first gear wheeley on the Gixxer (many witnesses!), stonking into corners too fast, coming up too quickly behind traffic, taking more daring overtakes because I had the power that turned out to be somewhat risky, and more.
Luckily I've stepped up in power gradually with a mostly sensible head on my shoulders, so all those 'moments' weren't too bad and didn't result in any accidents. If I was a little more reckless or had made the jump too quickly, I'd say there would be a decent chance I would've stacked it at least once.
Things happen so much more quickly on a super sports. You need to work up to that level of reaction by developing it to become intuitive and automatic over time. It's just not possible to deal with that power from day 1. The people who think it is have either been riding so long they've forgotten what it was like the first time they had the power, or they can't put their sensible head into the mind of an inexperienced and reckless kid, of which there are many.
It makes perfect sense IMO. Tax is the way government discourages things (fags, alcohol etc.), so while taxing bikes is cheap, I don't believe there is some agenda to get rid of motorcyclists. They're just trying to nanny us and save lives, and as frustrating and annoying as it is, it probably is safer IMO.
Makes a lot of sense in that perspective. I think the new 46bhp law maybe a more sensible target in my opinion (however I passed before so I wasn't restricted to 400cc, also I will read up on these laws soon cause i've completely forgotten them and maybe wrong).
I understand the need to not let a inexperienced rider loose on a supersport because they are a massive step up.
Fallout
16-05-13, 10:14 PM
Also you mentioned cars. Well they probably should have the same restriction. Both me and Spank86 know somebody who was let loose in a TVR from a young age and got busy with reckless overtakes showing off to friends in fiestas and the like. He spun it into another car, killed the driver and the girl in his car had to be cut from the wreckage. He then did 2 years in prison. That wouldn't have happened if he was driving a POS fiesta.
Spank86
16-05-13, 10:22 PM
Anyone know when he law about 33bhp actually came in?
Hmm gotta be early 2000s at a very random guess. I agree with restrictions, having got one myself. Without it, i would have gone not straight away but still prematurely to a big bike, that i woudnt have been able to handle. I also found myself getting bored of my restriction until i started further training which has made me realise the bike is plenty for everything but overtakes. 33bhp is plenty for commutes aswell imo, any 33 bike should happily sit at 80 along the motorway.
Also you mentioned cars. Well they probably should have the same restriction. Both me and Spank86 know somebody who was let loose in a TVR from a young age and got busy with reckless overtakes showing off to friends in fiestas and the like. He spun it into another car, killed the driver and the girl in his car had to be cut from the wreckage. He then did 2 years in prison. That wouldn't have happened if he was driving a POS fiesta.
I'm glad you agree with that! Although quite a few people I know have written off their car, but I think that was due to them thinking they can whack their crappy little car around corners in the wet at 6 times the speed of light.
Not claiming to be a professional or anything but a few of my friends drive way too quickly and don't understand driving that much (such as road conditions, breaking distances (even though that's covered in the theory), they also drive to what they remember not what they see, etc.) and they get suprised they crashed.
For example, I knew this person from secondary school/college and I can tell he would think he's a great driver and these pictures show the result:
Pic1:http://puu.sh/2UTxj.jpg
Pic2:http://puu.sh/2UTy3.jpg
Pic3:http://puu.sh/2UTEt.jpg
I cannot find a picture but one example of a fast car, inexperienced driver. Another person from school had fairly wealthy parents and got him a sport ibiza, which ended up literally on it's side in the middle of the road.
Hmm gotta be early 2000s at a very random guess. I agree with restrictions, having got one myself. Without it, i would have gone not straight away but still prematurely to a big bike, that i woudnt have been able to handle. I also found myself getting bored of my restriction until i started further training which has made me realise the bike is plenty for everything but overtakes. 33bhp is plenty for commutes aswell imo, any 33 bike should happily sit at 80 along the motorway.
I should hopefully get more training during holiday between university, it may give an appreciation to the restriction. Maybe if I hadn't have ridden it home then I would have been impressed with the jump between 125-650(33bhp) then after my restriction period is up, have the full power.
Spank86
17-05-13, 07:32 AM
I'm glad you agree with that! Although quite a few people I know have written off their car, but I think that was due to them thinking they can whack their crappy little car around corners in the wet at 6 times the speed of light.
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with cars insurance is higher so is better at restricting young drivers plus cars are safer for the driver and even a 33bhp motorbike is quicker than a lot of cars.
I think the car restriction is simply too difficult and impractical for too little benefit.
more people share cars than share bikes, especially with their kids.
SockRocker
17-05-13, 07:51 AM
I know I will be slated for thks but I have a restricted licence (46bhp) it was like a 125 all over again, I was ragging it everywhere, took the restrictions off opened it up once and now I find I ride a lot more safely because I know I have the power to nip round people rather then then umming and arrrring. I think the restrictions are dangerous, they lul you into a false sense of security with such little power and no willing to go anywhere. I know I will be slated for removing my restrictions and yes I do know the consequences for removing them.
kind regards
will
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If you did advanced training, it would prove you still have alot to learn. Nobody is ever finished improving, and especially if youve just passed your test you more than likely will still be riding to a test pass standard, not the way that is actually best to ride.
Fallout
17-05-13, 08:13 AM
We have the restrictor and speed chat quite often with the GM lot. It's a difficult subject. I'm on a Gixxer 750, so its very easy for me to say you don't need the power while I'm blasting about having power giggles, but I do believe on the right roads you can have fun improving your riding on a low powered bike. Then when you can legally step up, you're well equipped for handling it and making the most of it.
Stu's riding is pretty rapid considering the power he has and how new he is to riding. I'm sure there's a part of him that wants more power when Gixxers, SV1000s, Daytonas and unrestricted SVs come caning past, but as soon as we're on a good twisty section (which are the sort of roads you should be finding to have fun) it really doesn't matter anymore. The trick is to learn to make up for it with smooth rapid corner action. :)
Yup, slow in fast out, not fast in **** out ;)
aesmith
17-05-13, 08:19 AM
I don't buy into the "more power is safer" argument in the slightest. Thinking back over the first few bikes that I had, the BHP were 1.4, 4, 12, 20. I rode those bikes in the worst of outer London traffic, and although I was hampered on the first two, by the time I was onto the 125 (12hp) I was quite able to keep pace with traffic. Lack of power would only have been dangerous if I kept attempting manoeuvres that were outside the capabilities of the bike, and if my judgement was that poor I would probably have been more at risk on something more powerful.
That out of the way, I can't agree with the current scheme at all. There's some merit is getting experience before moving onto a bigger bike, but what's the point in having to take exactly the same test several times? Then again if experience is necessary, then Direct Access makes no sense. Someone who's never sat on a bike in their life can do a few days instruction and go straight to an unrestricted licence.
I suppose at a push I would probably vote for something like the old system, where your licence is restricted for the first year. Maybe restrict to the 44HP band for 12 months.
Tony S
Lack of power would only have been dangerous if I kept attempting manoeuvres that were outside the capabilities of the bike, and if my judgement was that poor I would probably have been more at risk on something more powerful.
This sums it up nicely for me
Jason H
17-05-13, 08:45 AM
There's some merit is getting experience before moving onto a bigger bike, but what's the point in having to take exactly the same test several times?
+1
It ought to work on an automatic upgrade basis. Only problem I see with that is someone passing thier test not riding afterwards for a year or so and then jumping straight back onto something bigger because their license upgraded.
I personally did DAS but did a weeks training on a 650cc bike during this time. I probably totalled about 1K miles + that week and gave me a good grounding. I feel either a greater period of on the bike training or a restriction and automatic upgrade would make a lot more sense than restrictions then more tests or one day on a big bike with very little training and then let loose on anything.
Having never ridden restricted I can't really discuss that side of things but having ridden with stu I can safely say the restriction doesn't need to hold you back.
J
yorkie_chris
17-05-13, 11:41 AM
I don't buy into the "more power is safer" argument in the slightest. Thinking back over the first few bikes that I had, the BHP were 1.4, 4, 12, 20. I rode those bikes in the worst of outer London traffic, and although I was hampered on the first two, by the time I was onto the 125 (12hp) I was quite able to keep pace with traffic. Lack of power would only have been dangerous if I kept attempting manoeuvres that were outside the capabilities of the bike, and if my judgement was that poor I would probably have been more at risk on something more powerful.
I hated 33bhp. It was a right pain in the hoop being on the motorway doing maybe 85 with absolutely NOWT left to give it that actually did anything.
Someone looks likely to move into the side of you? Erm. Blow the ineffectual horn? Slam the brakes on and collect an Audi A6 up the ringpiece? Great set of choices!!
Obviously with doing 500+ miles a week at that time it wasn't long before I had a rethink about it.
TheRuffellator
17-05-13, 11:47 AM
As someone said earlier, I personally think my riding improved quite a bit when I moved on to the SV, why.. I'm not entirely sure. But I sure as anything wouldn't have wanted to get onto it unrestricted as a first bike. I think it's important to learn the main things about riding on a small capacity bike so it's more forgiving if you get it wrong; yes there are exceptions i.e overtaking.
aesmith
17-05-13, 04:55 PM
I hated 33bhp. It was a right pain in the hoop being on the motorway doing maybe 85 with absolutely NOWT left to give it that actually did anything.
It's hard to imagine you as a learner! However I think that a more typical new rider would be better not to get into an 85mph dicing match in the first place.
I'm not speaking up for restriction, that would be a bit hypocritical since I got my unrestricted licence at 17. Just pointing out that it's possible to ride safely on a lower powered bike.
Having never ridden restricted I can't really discuss that side of things but having ridden with stu I can safely say the restriction doesn't need to hold you back.
J
HAHAHA, i didn't find out he was restricted till we got back on bank hol monday!!
Goes to show that where it really matters (the twisties where its fun) the power doesn't really matter.
e.g i got a few mates that ride, none have been restricted but one guy went out and got an r6, then an r1 and now has a monstrosity of a ninja. All stupid fast and he goes down dualies and motorways like a bat out of hell.
bet he couldnt have kept up with StuR on the bank hol brighton bimble through the twisties!
In terms of the restriction, i can see the need for it, thankfully my test ride on the sv scarred me sensible and i took it easy.
unless you are doing motorway miles 44 or even 33bhp wont make much of a difference in town and through the nice twisties for sheer enjoyment.
yorkie_chris
17-05-13, 06:54 PM
For sheer enjoyment... well get a 250 2t and wring the nuts off it :)
However... a lot of other people actually want to get to places!
It's hard to imagine you as a learner! However I think that a more typical new rider would be better not to get into an 85mph dicing match in the first place.
I'm not speaking up for restriction, that would be a bit hypocritical since I got my unrestricted licence at 17. Just pointing out that it's possible to ride safely on a lower powered bike.
Mate you go spend a few hundred miles on the motorway and see how many times that happens... It's not a deliberate dicing match... just making progress normally. Except with POS 33bhp you've got 95 indicated TOPS and that 10mph takes a long time!
On a full power one... quick squirt of power and you're straight out of the bother.
85 indicated on SV is only really 75 or so and any time except rush hour you can easily be making progress usually up to a real 77/78 or so.
Oh yeah it's possible to ride safely with less power... but why should you have to.
I drive my van like it's a truck... 55 and inside lane... watching fuel gauge like a hawk. That isn't safe on the bike at all.
aesmith
17-05-13, 07:21 PM
Mate you go spend a few hundred miles on the motorway and see how many times that happens... It's not a deliberate dicing match... just making progress normally. Except with POS 33bhp you've got 95 indicated TOPS and that 10mph takes a long time!
I've done plenty of motorway miles, believe it or not. Yes I've got carried away on occasion, accelerating to overtake then accelerating more to get past quickly, then again to get past the faster vehicle you're now catching up. On the other hand I made regular trips on the M4 London to Bristol on two different 250s, and two up from Aberdeen to Shropshire on yet another 250. Lack of speed on those bikes never put me in a dangerous situation. Maybe 33HP is a poor compromise, fast enough to get into trouble but not out of it. Although come to think of it my Z400 at 36HP was pretty similar power and I kept out of trouble on that as well.
As I say, I don't support restricted bikes but I think the argument that they're more dangerous doesn't hold up particularly well. I don't think it would go down too well with the Dept of Transport either, given that the starting point for the argument is that you need to be able to reach 85 and still need to accelerate briskly from there.
aesmith
17-05-13, 07:24 PM
Oh yeah it's possible to ride safely with less power... but why should you have to.
That I can agree with, both points.
As I say, I don't support restricted bikes but I think the argument that they're more dangerous doesn't hold up particularly well. I don't think it would go down too well with the Dept of Transport either, given that the starting point for the argument is that you need to be able to reach 85 and still need to accelerate briskly from there.
I can see your points!
I believe that unrestricted bikes/restricted bikes aren't more or less dangerous than the other. However I would like sufficient power which I don't feel 33bhp is giving me. I don't want a 500hp ghost rider bike so I can zoom up beside people at over 200 on the rear wheel, but I don't want to go back to the 125 feeling which 33bhp is giving me at the moment.
As a novice rider I can work on cornering which 33bhp would be fine (going out on the twisties) but the bike is my main mode of transport so will be going in a straight line mainly on most days. And on the motorway I do try to plan ahead however there are situations which can get a little hairy which the extra power would be useful.
mills94
17-05-13, 08:45 PM
I'm currently on a restricted license and I dont agree with the fact i'm going to be at 33bhp for another year, but I'm happy that the current format doesnt apply to me! been on a long ride out today and i've never been so happy with my bike, yes most of it was A-roads (single lane countryside) and B roads but I still had more than enough power to overtake cars, its just about working out how to get the best from what you've got. I now know what at certain speeds which gear its best to get in and taking into account whether or not its a long empty road with lots of visibility, or a short space to zoom into, so its not too bad. but I will be extremely happy to get the restrictors off as I have had the rare occasion where I wasnt as experienced and overtakes have been a bit 'dodgy' shall I say as you think you have more power than you have. 1 year down, 1 year to go. in the mean time i'm just going to enjoy myself as much as possible. on a plus note I sometimes relish the challenge of getting past stuff and having to time it just right :)
I should hopefully get more training during holiday between university, it may give an appreciation to the restriction. Maybe if I hadn't have ridden it home then I would have been impressed with the jump between 125-650(33bhp) then after my restriction period is up, have the full power.
Yea my first ride was unrestricted after a year on a 30hp 250. I never did. Highly unrecommended:p
Just to add, because restriction is an inevitability for younger motorcyclists.
How does a company like FI International get away with £180 for a couple of washers and a form.
It's a couple of thin bits of metal, and a sheet saying it's restricted. I'd pay £50 tops, even the mechanic that serviced my last bike said they're a complete rip off.
yorkie_chris
18-05-13, 03:45 PM
Just to add, because restriction is an inevitability for younger motorcyclists.
How does a company like FI International get away with £180 for a couple of washers and a form.
It's a couple of thin bits of metal, and a sheet saying it's restricted. I'd pay £50 tops, even the mechanic that serviced my last bike said they're a complete rip off.
Fear and misinformation
Fear and misinformation
To my understanding you only need it restricted with no form of proof? (Proof will help/make it quicker, but technically isn't needed)
So as you say, I'm guessing people are told to buy from FI international however they are just misinformed?
yorkie_chris
18-05-13, 06:58 PM
Look on their site, they have a load of utter bullsh*t and lies.
They infer that to be legal you need to
-use their kits
-have a certificate
-change the certificate into your name if you buy a previously restricted bike :smt082 (no checks done on the bike!)
etc!
Set of worthless robbing c**ts, wouldn't p*ss down their leg if their feet were afire.
And they are poor designs to boot that make EFI bikes run very badly.
Look on their site, they have a load of utter bullsh*t and lies.
They infer that to be legal you need to
-use their kits
-have a certificate
-change the certificate into your name if you buy a previously restricted bike :smt082 (no checks done on the bike!)
etc!
Set of worthless robbing c**ts, wouldn't p*ss down their leg if their feet were afire.
And they are poor designs to boot that make EFI bikes run very badly.
Haha! That made me chuckle. I just went on their site to check prices because Oli sold me a kit on here for £25 instead of their £180. I avoided them because the mechanic told me they're useless. They should be done for lying about that, swear in business studies I was taught something about selling stuff due to false information.
yorkie_chris
18-05-13, 07:09 PM
They infer that these things are true rather than stating them. It's utter bullsh*t but it is very carefully written bullsh*t.
And i wish i had known all this before i spent £180 18 months back :P
And i wish i had known all this before i spent £180 18 months back :P
That is bad luck for you! :(
otaylor38
18-05-13, 11:27 PM
To be fair. Part of me thinks no matter what youve got, you can end up in trouble. Little power is dangerous, and so s too much. Its more about the mindset than anything. If youve got a 'full throttle riding like a penis' head on, you can crash which ever bike you have. No matter how fast it is.
Most of my mates have written off lots of cars, only little corsas and things but thrown into a corner at 80 (having spent about 4 days trying to get there) theyll crash.
Thats just my view though, and i dont work for the governments road department of whoever mskes these laws, so i guess we'll just have to nod and agree with whatever they decide.
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 10:40 AM
I was thinking this the other day..
Thinking how many times I'd be dead by now if my restriction werent in.
I rode it for a week or so without them, and yeh all the speed is great, but that's all I ever wanted to do; power it everywhere.
2 main things that I like about the restriction:
1) the fuel has gone from 25 mpg to 55.
2) it's made me eager to learn how to ride the fecking thing properly, in corners and such, and keeping my flow and momentum instead of relying on the power on the straights.
I can now keep up with all my mates on most corners, even though they're on 1000cc and full power bandits etc. because I focused on cornering, because I kinda had too.
In the rain, Christ, the restriction has saved my **** plenty of times.
It's staying in for the full two years.
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yorkie_chris
19-05-13, 08:33 PM
1) the fuel has gone from 25 mpg to 55.
The diplomatic way to put that is "that is not typical for the SV650"
The true way to put it is "because you're riding a hacked about bag of bollox which was previously owned by a baboons hoop."
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 08:35 PM
The diplomatic way to put that is "that is not typical for the SV650"
The true way to put it is "because you're riding a hacked about bag of bollox which was previously owned by a baboons hoop."
Thanks Chris. Making me feel loads better about my expensive ornament
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TheRuffellator
19-05-13, 08:38 PM
Ah it's alright Lew, that's a traditional greeting up north :D
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 08:39 PM
Oh me and Chris are well past the greeting stage haha
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TheRuffellator
19-05-13, 08:45 PM
Ah just realised you're from up north too.. Uh oh.. Uh oh *prepares for clip round the ear*
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 08:47 PM
*clip around the ear*
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25mpg?! you sure thats a sv youre riding and not a 4l jag?
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 08:52 PM
Nah my Jag is just for the weekend ;) haha
Tell me about it.. When I first got it and before me and YC (very helpful, would recommend his mechanical use) started faffing around with it, it was shagged.
Slowly getting better though eh Chris?
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yorkie_chris
19-05-13, 08:54 PM
It's getting there. It's still got a tramp stamp on the tank no matter how much gaffer you put over it though.
Well at least its headed in the right way. Yeah that tramp stamp is...interesting.
mills94
19-05-13, 09:48 PM
Just to add, because restriction is an inevitability for younger motorcyclists.
How does a company like FI International get away with £180 for a couple of washers and a form.
It's a couple of thin bits of metal, and a sheet saying it's restricted. I'd pay £50 tops, even the mechanic that serviced my last bike said they're a complete rip off.
I bought mine of ebay from a bloke that machines the washers for £40. and I have a certificate, not that it means much anyway.
LewSpeight
19-05-13, 11:44 PM
Well at least its headed in the right way. Yeah that tramp stamp is...interesting.
It's technically covered up now anyway ;) getting it resprayed as soon as the dollar allows
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