Ketamine.

[Jammy]

so many people i know are screwed

http://www.channel4.com/news/ketamine-drugs-bladder-damage-health-video


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[Fallout]

This is why I stick to crack.

[yorkie_chris]

Taking sh*t up your nose bad for you? Really?

No sympathy TBH

[dkid]

Saw a prog on tele last week (think it was 24hrs in A&E) where doctors gave a biker who'd been in a serious accident ketamine whilst they reset a badly broken arm.
The guy was out of his tree but still felt them doing the yanking, just couldn't remember it when he became lucid again.

[muzikill]

Thank gawd i dont do stuff. The woman who had her bladder removed took 15 grams a day. Welcome to a addiction. Paid the price didnt she. And they go on about e & weed being a timebomb health wise.

[Owenski]

I'm taking it as this is a case of those who did it to the extreme (eg 15g a day) as opposed to the weekend couple of gram between mates.
I did it for long enough on those grounds and not one of us suffered major health concerns.
Next ill be reading crack causes your teeth to fall out or coke causes your nose to melt away. Regulated use will not cause those issues, only abusing it will do and imo if you abuse drugs regardless of the well publicised side effects of doing so then you get what you deserve.

[dkid]

I'm taking it
Yikes!

[yorkie_chris]

Explains a lot, TBH... :-P

[Jayneflakes]

The answer is legalise drugs, make it so that they are available just like other revolting addictive substances like alcohol and nicotine and let those silly enough to use them get on with it. Forget the nanny state and let people make their own choices.

Remember though, there are consequences to all of these drugs and they can be serious. Informed consent is a great tool. People smoke knowing that it could kill them. Give them the same choice with drugs.

Recently I was told by a man who will shovel vast amounts of street bought cocaine up his snot box that my taking anti depressants was bad. His reasoning caused me to laugh because he totally missed the irony of what he was saying. "Anti depressants are bad because" and I am quoting here, "you don't know what they put in them!"

In his view what ever it is in my meds, it is far less safe than the drain cleaner, ground up dog worming tablets and talc found in the cocaine he buys that is "really expensive because it is quite pure!" Meanwhile, my clinically produced and monitored helpful medication could contain anything... I am not sure I will ever understand drug abusers. :laughat:

[Red Herring]

Taking sh*t up your nose bad for you? Really?

No sympathy TBH

I would also take the P155 but looks like the doctors beat me to it....

[Specialone]

This is why I stick to crack.

Ar5e crack ? ;)

[Jammy]

I just know a large group of people ( a few personally) who just rave and do ket every weekend. Seeing them sharing this link on fb was amusing

[muzikill]

Ar5e crack ? ;)

THE crack

[thulfi]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Rational_scale_to_assess_the_harm_of_drugs_%28mean _physical_harm_and_mean_dependence%29.svg
^ Nutt D, King LA, Saulsbury W, Blakemore C (2007). "Development of a rational scale to assess the harm of drugs of potential misuse". Lancet 369 (9566): 1047–53. doi:10.1016/S0140-6736(07)60464-4. PMID 17382831.

If you consider dependence and physical harm of a drug as equals, ketamine is not much worse than alcohol. See how many illegal substances are not even as bad as alcohol. I will never understand drug laws.

(Coincidentally, I landed from Ibiza today at 5am after we did my best mates stag do out there. I've never been, but damn that place is friggin awesome!)

[Blueperson]

Jayneflakes - spot on.

Blue
(NHS Substance Misuse Specialist)

[Milky Bar Kid]

I wish I knew the answer to whether or not to legalise drugs. I sit on the fence and can see the arguments for and against it.

I personally think taking a horse tranquilliser for a laugh is pretty stupid but hey, that's just my opinion.

It does appear to me that there are a lot more younger people getting into hot water after starting off using things like Ket and MCat as recreational drugs. What starts of as recreational use is rapidly turning into addictions (be they physical or mental). And this is worrying.

What really worries me though is this trend of legal highs. The govt bans one so some guy sits and finds something with a similar chemical property and folk buy them and end up ill with it. Mainly because they really, really don't have a clue what it is they even think they are taking.

[yorkie_chris]

I don't see how you can legislate against legal highs without ending up with a really annoying, restrictive and expensive society. :(

Actually, I don't really care about a few people who chose to kill themselves compared to me being able to buy a can of brake cleaner without a 10 point background check and it costing £80.

[saucysaunders]

Quote: "It can take just months of heavy use before users suffer urinary problems"

The people having issues are abusers not users.
I'm not saying it's good to take these drugs.

The fact is people who consistently abuse alcohol end up with more than bladder problems.

[Milky Bar Kid]

I don't see how you can legislate against legal highs without ending up with a really annoying, restrictive and expensive society. :(

Actually, I don't really care about a few people who chose to kill themselves compared to me being able to buy a can of brake cleaner without a 10 point background check and it costing £80.

To be honest, I can't see how they can legislate against them. Because the point is that they will iust keep changing the compound enough to change but so that effects are similar. I think education is the key.

[Fallout]

Thanks Ketamine. Some people mocked my choice to invest in the catheter bag industry, but you've proven them wrong.