View Full Version : Scottoiler lubetube opinions?
anyone tried one?
i'm planning a little trip next month and it sounds just the ticket to extend the fill up.
I've got one - it's a pretty good idea, and extended the range for me up to about 1500 miles between fills. Piece of proverbial to hook up, although you need to fill it before attaching it.
superb. i take it, it takes a whole (large) bottle of lube to fill?
No, it takes a small bottle to fill the main res and the lube tube (250ml total).
sounds just the ticket as its a pain in the proverbial to bleed the system when it runs out and those ones that sit behind the number plate are shizz.
Red ones
06-06-13, 09:31 PM
its a pain in the proverbial to bleed the system when it runs out .
Really? I thought it a piece of cake! Fill the reservoir and set the metering valve to '10' Start the bike and connect the bottle to the end of the filler plug and squeeze the bottle to increase the air pressure in the reservoir. It takes me less than 30 seconds to prime the system. Remove the bottle - plug the breather assembly back in and turn the metering valve back down.
Simples. and quick.
depends on how much tubing you have and i would rather waist my time drinking coffee than have to prime the oilier.
Luckypants
06-06-13, 10:31 PM
I had one on the previous VFR and it worked well. You cannot fill right up as it needs some 'slack' to allow it to be folded away but gives a useful 2-3 times capacity on standard oiler. I used to fill it every 2000 odd miles.
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DarrenSV650S
07-06-13, 07:27 PM
I'd just take a bottle personally. My scottoiler leaks enough without adding another weak link
Where you heading bib?
well its ordered so should be here next week. if i don't like it it will end up in the ever growing pile of bike bits... lol note to self i must get some of the stuff for sale on here.
ihey Daz, 'm going north up to Smoo then down the west to Skye and hopefully spend 2 days bobbing about the Skye area. i was going to do JOG first but would prefer to spend more time at Skye.
DarrenSV650S
07-06-13, 07:47 PM
Smoo is cool. West coast is amazing. Skye has been on my to do list for ages
Some picys here to get you excited :)
http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=156105
yup plan on having a mini adventure. some of those places look amazing.
well it's fitted. not
i spent an hour fitting it to the rail of the bike inside the right rear plastics.
i have just looked at the fitting instructions which are crap and like a plonker i have fitted it upside down as they have a note that says 'Hint: the breather end should be uppermost' cheers Scottoiler can you not say that at the beginning of the fitting instead of a 'HINT'.
so now i have to strip everything back off and turn it upside down because some plonker cant draw up instructions properly.
Luckypants
12-06-13, 12:10 PM
Don't forget you need access to the outlet to fill it.... unless you have a pump you can use to force the oil up into it. ;)
another update, i thought burger it lets give it a try so i connected my vacuum gun to the oiler and set it to prime and left a jug under the nib and i can gladly say it works the way it is.. yey.
funny you should mention that Lucky as i have had to make up a heath robinson filler tube as scottoiler in their wisdom fail to give you an adaptor to fill the rez. once the screw fitting is on.
i drilled a hole in a filler tube cap and pushed it into a piece tube so all i need to do is slide the fitting out the bung on the main unit and put the 'cap' on the funnel shaped part then fill.
I had one on my GSXR1000 and swore that I'd never have another. The outlet end somehow fell off and dumped a full reservoir of oil all over my back tyre via the sidepanel and swingarm, I was lucky I didn't wreck the bike. No idea how it happened cos all the O rings etc were still on the outlet end but somehow the reservoir tube got detached.
I only noticed something was wrong when I was accelerating hard at 100+ and the back end started swinging about on a clean dry road. I knew the GSXR had some grunt but not enough to do that in normal circumstances, so I pulled over and found the rear of the bike slathered in clean oil - only one place that could have come from. I removed it there and then and threw it in a bin.
Luckypants
14-06-13, 11:56 AM
TBH the rate at which I go through oil, the standard RMV is enough. That is why I didn't get another loob-tube for the red VFR. In France last year we did just over 3K miles and I filled the RMV twice, using a small amount of oil I had brought with me. The only time you need the added range is touring and when I tour I will take enough tools/bits n pieces to fix minor problems (including a small off) so a bottle of oil is neither here or there amongst the luggage etc.
However, as previously stated the loob-tube works well if you make sure the push-fit connections are all good. I had one issue like Lozzo above, but put that down to me being a numpty and not making the connection properly after filling the loob-tube. I did over 20K miles with the loob-tube fitted and only once had an oil leak - pretty good evidence it was operator error caused that. (Not directed at you Loz :kiss:)
3k on two fill ups! i'm lucky to get 450 miles from one fill up. mind you i do like to keep it wet :-)
DarrenSV650S
14-06-13, 05:03 PM
You've got that turned up way too high
i know but that's why i have 16k on the OEM chain and sprocket set which has not moved off the marks since fitting the oiler and looks like its going to go another 16k+ :-)
TBH its not that high that i get oil on the back wheel.
DarrenSV650S
14-06-13, 05:19 PM
You must do in the rain? I get some slip on mine on a heavy throttle, and it's not set very high
Red ones
14-06-13, 07:06 PM
If you're getting oil flinging off the rear sprocket you're dosing far too much. Oil will fling off the front sprocket first thanks to its smaller diameter.
Luckypants
14-06-13, 07:59 PM
3k on two fill ups! i'm lucky to get 450 miles from one fill up. mind you i do like to keep it wet :-)
Well no, three fills effectively - I set off with it full and then filled it twice before ending up home with it close to empty, about 1K per fill. Hence why I felt the loob-tube was superfluous with this installation.
The mileage per fill also depends on how the scotty is oriented. On my SV it was vertical and gave 1K per fill or more, on the silver VFR a dealer had mounted the RMVunder the seat practically horizontal so I did need the extra capacity of the loob-tube. On my current bike I mounted it about 45 degrees so I can almost empty it without sucking air into the delivery system, some bikes you have it laid down so much you barely use half the RMV capacity.
As for flow rate, I get one blob about every 50 seconds - works well as current bike is on OEM C&S at 12K and previous VFR was on origin C&S at 30K when I sold it. Obviously views vary and I know for a fact Bibs knows what he is doing.
yey a vote of confidence from LP :-)
i set my oilier so there is enough feed that oil travels to the other side of the chain and both o'rings look lubed which is about half way on the dial of the RVM which is under my rear seat and about 18deg angle so not effected by heat apart from ambient.
i have tried turning it down to save on oil but the oil seems not to travel to the opposite o'ring. the drip rate is about every 40 seconds. i know scottoiler say one drip every 60secs but at that rate it seems to give me a dry looking chain.
with the way i set the drip rate the chain not only gets lubed it cleans as well and as we all know grit and oil turn into grinding paste which wears down metal/rubber surfaces and one of the main reasons i have a pet hate for spray grease type chain lubes.
i have (touch wood) never ever had a hairy moment with oil on the back wheel. ok so it's 'drifted' once or twice like scrubbing in a new tyre but that's about it.
Red ones
15-06-13, 01:49 PM
Mine is set so that oil is only just flinging off the front sprocket. At that point I know the chain is holding as much as it can, any more is waste full. The area around the front sprocket than gets a thick gunky paste that is occasionally prodded into falling off (or de greased if I'm feeling flash with the cash). C&S replacements are easily 30,000 mile apart and chain adjustment is usually when the rear wheel comes off for a new tyre (so thats about 10 - 12,000 miles.
The other half of extending chain life is off course to be smooth with the acceleration and gear changes
no gunky paste under my sprocket cover :-)
the oil keeps everything nice and clean/lubricated such as the clutch pushrod and sprocket output shaft seal yada yada, yes ok so i get little drips of oil coming out the bottom but i don't care as its less maintenance for me and less maintenance means more fun time.
i just want to get on the bike and ride so the less i have to do the happier i am and if that means more oil usage then so be it.
yorkie_chris
15-06-13, 06:04 PM
I just set it to slather a load on and then turn it down until the tyre isn't getting spattered.
aesmith
16-06-13, 08:47 AM
no gunky paste under my sprocket cover
What oil do you use, Scottoil special stuff?
Yup, hardly seems worth faffing around to find something slightly cheaper, afterall you don't use much and the bottle comes with the tube to fill it.
Spent the weekend de-gunking 28k miles of chain lube from around the front sprocket, yuk what a mess. The oil is now gently washing the rest away.
Pete
update:
brilliant bit of kit. filled the tube up just before i went on hols and i have done 1500 miles since then and its still feeding the rez. i always had to top the rez up after every sunday each being around 300 miles so that's saved me topping up 5 times so far. now if i could only get the system to go 3500 miles i would be in heaven as that would mean doing the top up at the service intervals. but i suppose i'll be happy with just one top up between times.
works flawlessly now its the right way round.
DarrenSV650S
23-07-13, 05:20 PM
Do you use scott oil or just old oil? Cos that's a lot of oil you are going through
i use scottoil. yes it gets everywhere :-)
tbh i had it turned up a bit to much so have backed it off a notch. to date i have never had a big problem with it on the back tyre. if i were doing more straight roads for miles and miles it might turn into a problem but since i use my tyres to their CS's on each ride it's not a problem as it gets constantly scrubbed off. ok so i get the odd wiggle now and again on left handers but nothing thats serious.
DarrenSV650S
23-07-13, 05:35 PM
What about in the rain? My rear gets a bit sqwiffy when I power on too much.
well as you and everyone else knows i'm a wuss when it comes to rain so i have no problems. never spun the back wheel up leant over to date. i have had more interesting moments hitting tar joints in the rain.
Red ones
23-07-13, 05:54 PM
If it flings off the rear then it's lubing too much.
If it flings off the rear then it's lubing too much.
nonsense. it's the nature of the thing that you get fling, just like you do with spray lubes. no fling then to dry. ok so there is excessive fling like what i do but thats my personal preference.
Red ones
23-07-13, 06:13 PM
If it is flinging on the rear sprocket, then on the front sprocket which is much smaller and puts far more angular acceleration on the chain, there is even more fling and even more oil inside the covers and down the side stand.
yup, just the way i like it as it keeps everything well lubed.
little update time.
the lubetube stopped working some time ago so today i had a look as to why.
stripped the plastics off to get at it and when i took it out it was full of oil but not delivering oil to the scotty. upon inspection it seems that the feed nib was slightly loose so i cleaned it up and fixed it in place using some 'liquid metal'. stuck it all back together and voila working again. dont ask why but there you go.
still think it's a cracking bit of kit. before it stopped working i was filling it around every 1750 miles, so one on a service and once in between.
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