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[Dave20046]

I'm pooling the org's collective genius again :)

Can anyone confirm the size of modern boilers and building regs for boilers? As in common boiler depth, what they can and can't be attached to, what space is required surrounding them etc etc. ?

Here's the scenario: I have a boiler in my bathroom attached (and vented through) the external wall. Around the boiler a massive cupboard has been built.

On the adjacent (stud) wall to the boiler there's a cavity behind which is 30cm deep, the boiler is 27cm deep. I'm wanting to affix the (or a new) boiler to the back of the cavity behind the adjacent wall so that I end up with two rectangular rooms separated by one straight stud wall and to enable me to install a double window on the external wall on the bathroom.

Pretty hard to explain so I'll up some mspaint plans! :)

Obviously I won't be moving any boilers myself, just hoping to get the studs down/up myself so it's just a case of ringing a plumber when I'm ready for the boiler move/new boiler.

Any comments really really appreciated!
Cheers

[Dave20046]

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Currently

[Dave20046]

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Desired layout

I accept to accomodate a boiler I might have to encroach into the left hand room a bit more than hoped but I'd prefer that than the current layout

[otaylor38]

Im still confused with the pictures haha.

Best to ring a plumber and get him to come round and see if he can see any reason why it cant be done, before you do anything. Then get him back to do the work once your ready.

Obviously you have to consider pipework, flue termination etc. i feel it would have to be seen in person

[andrewsmith]

PM Electro, Dave

[joshwalker094]

Pm Rumblebee ( Chris wilkinson )

[Bluefish]

The more space it has the better, can the cover be removed from it's new position, and can the flap if there is one drop down? The installation and servicing instructions will give you the MINIMUM dimensions required around the boiler.

[Dave20046]

Cheers all, might send some pms! Nice call on just getting someone round, the job might not happen for a while so didn't want to waste anyone's time, but I can always tell them that! Just want to get things in place ready for when the boiler is replaced

Bluefish ; I'm thinking of the access to the boiler being cupboard doors, like built in storage/ an airing cupboard
The problem is I don't have a specific boiler in mind until the current boiler gives up. I just need to make sure the space I create is okay for all common modern boilers.
It's okay to affix one to a stud then? It's be side vented out of the external wall (red).

[dirtydog]

I would go online and check out a few suitable boilers for their dimensions and the minimum space they need around them just to give you an idea of how much room you're going to need and also check for the flue options. It may also be worth checking ventilation requirements eg room or compartment

[maviczap]

We re sited our boiler from the kitchen to the airing cupboard upstairs, enough room to take the cowling off for servicing etc

Doubles up as a clothes drier in the winter when the heating is running

[Specialone]

Why have you got 300mm wide stud walls? Most are around 125mm.

[NTECUK]

Loads of info hear too.http://www.akcentralheating.co.uk/building.htm

[Dave20046]

Right off to google boilers. Worcester Bosch / valiant still the advised bestest?
Why have you got 300mm wide stud walls? Most are around 125mm.

I wondered this! Probably find something hidden behind them like the sink I found in a bedroom. Fawlty towers this place.

[Dave20046]

Loads of info hear too.http://www.akcentralheating.co.uk/building.htm

Thanks

[Specialone]

Right off to google boilers. Worcester Bosch / valiant still the advised bestest?

Yep

I wondered this! Probably find something hidden behind them like the sink I found in a bedroom. Fawlty towers this place.
Smash a hole in various places along the wall and have a look what's behind there, you may find its encasing something.

[embee]

Generally speaking the boiler manufacturer defines the mounting and enclosure limitations/requirements, the Installation Guides for specific boilers are readily available inline either from the manufacturers' sites or on a suppliers site. They also usually give the standard flue siting restriction diagrams. Installers will invariably comply with manufacturers' specifications before than any other guideline etc. to ensure they are covered.

[otaylor38]

On choosing a boiler, i highly recommend worcester bosch. Fantastic boilers, 5 year guarentee and i wont fit anything else. Extremely rare that you have any problems with them :).

[andrewsmith]

On choosing a boiler, i highly recommend worcester bosch. Fantastic boilers, 5 year guarentee and i wont fit anything else. Extremely rare that you have any problems with them :).

You work for...

Its avoid like the plague up here!! Old mans spec'ed them once and never again

[Specialone]

You work for...

Its avoid like the plague up here!! Old mans spec'ed them once and never again

Disagree here mate, my boiler man who fits boilers for me only fits WB and never had an issue with them for as long as I can remember.

[Rumble bee]

You work for...

Its avoid like the plague up here!! Old mans spec'ed them once and never again

I love worcester boilers :smt057 they keep me busy fixing them all the time :laughat:

I advise fitting vaillants with a magnaclean, fit and forget :smt038


Chris

[andrewsmith]

Disagree here mate, my boiler man who fits boilers for me only fits WB and never had an issue with them for as long as I can remember.

I must just here horror stories off engineers up here. There is a WB with a twin tank in (still produced) if the top-up tank fails or has a fault, its cheaper to replace than repair (1/2 day over 2 days repairing)

[Specialone]

I must just here horror stories off engineers up here. There is a WB with a twin tank in (still produced) if the top-up tank fails or has a fault, its cheaper to replace than repair (1/2 day over 2 days repairing)

Must be the smog up there stopping the boiler burning cleanly or something :smt102

[Bluefish]

Our firm only fit wb, they come with 8 years manufacturers parts and labour warrenty, not to be sniffed at. Dave a general rule i would say as i service all makes is to have minimum 200mm above the boiler 50mm either side and 300 front, if cupboard doors on then 50mm when they are closed, ventilation most boilers nowadays don't require compartment ventilation, however the manufaturers instructions override everything else. The more space you have or access to the boiler the cheaper it will be for you in the long run come servicing or it requiring parts fitting, extra time = more money to pay for you. Edit, as the wall mounted boiler i went to on friday that was fitted 35mm off the floor in a cupboard next to the sink, what ****wit did that, customers going to get them back though, as the condense trap had to be undone from under the boiler, and i decided i didn't get paid enough to lie on the floor trying to undo that every bloody year.

[otaylor38]

You work for...

Its avoid like the plague up here!! Old mans spec'ed them once and never again

A local company in the buxton area

Vaillant also get brilliant reviews, although i have heard horror stories about the seal around the heat exchanger on certain models. Prone to leaking after a service and setting fire to the electrics inside the boiler. Happened to quite a few apparently. The only manufacturer solution is to replace the seal at each service, which is obviously a design flaw.

No manufacturer is perfect i guess.

What would you fit then? :)

[daveyrach]

What about Remeha Boilers?

[Dave20046]

Our firm only fit wb, they come with 8 years manufacturers parts and labour warrenty, not to be sniffed at. Dave a general rule i would say as i service all makes is to have minimum 200mm above the boiler 50mm either side and 300 front, if cupboard doors on then 50mm when they are closed, ventilation most boilers nowadays don't require compartment ventilation, however the manufaturers instructions override everything else. The more space you have or access to the boiler the cheaper it will be for you in the long run come servicing or it requiring parts fitting, extra time = more money to pay for you. Edit, as the wall mounted boiler i went to on friday that was fitted 35mm off the floor in a cupboard next to the sink, what ****wit did that, customers going to get them back though, as the condense trap had to be undone from under the boiler, and i decided i didn't get paid enough to lie on the floor trying to undo that every bloody year.
Cheers BFM

Just what I didn't want to see....300mm front :(
Definitely going to take up some space in the other room but hey-ho a nice double window in the bathroom would be great

Will do some google-fu on boilers cheers all.


SP1- going to knock some holes in that wall and see what the deal is, cheers for the encouragement.

[Bluefish]

Cheers BFM

Just what I didn't want to see....300mm front :(

It's fine if you have a door or doors that when open allow full frontal access, ooh err mrs, it all depends on how the front cover comes off, some pull towards you, some lift up and are on hooks on the top, so you have to know what boiler you are going to fit to determine how much space you need :smt102

[Red ones]

WB make boilers specifically to fit in kitchen cabinets, the 300 mm is so there is enough room to service one once the cabinet is opened.