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TheRuffellator
10-09-13, 11:43 AM
Bit of a discussion and opinions thread (someone get the popcorn)
I was watching police interceptors earlier and they had an unmarked s1000rr and Hayabusa as patrol bikes, I've also seen an unmarked blade and a few vfr1200's down at H Caf.
With the rise of police using high performance bikes and cars like Audi's, evo's and scoobys are the days of people getting away from the police just by pinning it, And the mentality of 'If I get stopped I'll just do one, they won't be able to catch me' over?
Do you think the police really need vehicles like this? Would you stick around or take your chances? Do you think some people see it as a challenge?
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Saw a police Ducati 1199 panigale at silverstone last weekend. Had the full livery but not sure if it was operational or just a show piece.
Will upload a pic later as I'm on my phone.
Would I run?.... No.
ChrisCurvyS
10-09-13, 11:52 AM
Of course they need to be able to catch the bad guys, but unmarked bikes do often seem to be used to bait other bikers into speeding.
And a lot of police bikers seem to have a habit of taking high-performance machines out for a bit of fun and binning them in single-vehicle accidents - as MCN found out when they FoId various forces.
Re people running - unless it's stolen, or unless you're planning to ditch it, run home and report it stolen, what would you gain from not stopping? Would be rare that the police were close enough to see you're speeding but not close enough to get your reg.
JamesMio
10-09-13, 11:58 AM
More to the point, I dare say the average Joe on a 'Blade / S1000RR / Ninja wouldn't have a hope in getting away from a half-decent police rider on a typical RT/Pan anyway, unless they're on a very long, very long, very straight bit of road.
Having just done a track day in the company of a couple of retired police riders, (both of whom pretty much tore me a new one at every opportunity), those things tend to be very, very well ridden.
I suspect the Busa's et all are more of a show thing as much as anything - same as that force down south (London somewhere I think) that had the fully marked up Lambo.
Kinda pointless really, most forces if the speed of the vehicle is too high or would put others at risk would ease off the pursuit and call in a chopper anyway and do it that way.
Think in a lot of cases it's more of a deterrent than anything else, they can say it doesn't matter what you have, we can catch you. Although as above doesn't really work.
It's like a stupid situation that occurred a while back in Sandbanks. A very rich area and some residents wanted the council to get a Porsche as a patrol car so it fitted in with the area.
Oh and no I wouldn't run, whatever you were initially caught for I think it's stupid to add failing to stop and resisting arrest to the charges!
hardhat_harry
10-09-13, 12:19 PM
Alot of would be bank robbers on this site.
If you are daft enough to run................
TheRuffellator
10-09-13, 01:08 PM
I agree that a lot of it is for show and a deterrent, I'd be interested to know if the deterrent/just having them actually cuts down the amount of vehicle offences and if the benefits out way the cost. Personally I wouldn't run, don't think it's worth it in the slightest.
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I'd be interested to know if the deterrent/just having them actually cuts down the amount of vehicle offences
I highly doubt that perps consider whether they're likely to encounter pc plod on his S1000RR before they hoon it up tbh. As said, most people on most machines won't escape a well trained biker cop on a standard issue bike.
I think the show bikes are aimed at building bridges with the biker community in general.
You can out run a police radio......
Paul the 6th
10-09-13, 02:35 PM
I think a lot of it is for public relations tbh, like at brands hatch the fully graphic'd up police R1... got me talking to a couple of on duty lads who were there to educate riders and hand out their latest accident reduction leaflets/keyrings etc... randomly, a real nice ice breaker which made me engage with them rather than walking on without stopping to see what they were all about.
To be fair .The blokes who rode them are as entusistic as us lot.
As long as your not beining a iddiot they are ok.
Yep they will bend your ear if you being naughty.
Its the un marked car lot are much worse.(Rat Black).
keith_d
10-09-13, 03:45 PM
I suspect that some of these fully marked up super sports machines never turn a wheel in anger. They're PR exercises by the manufacturers.
andrewsmith
10-09-13, 05:22 PM
I agree with James Mio, very few of Joe public will be able to outrun a pan euro or a BMW RT.
Anyone that has rode with a police biker off duty will agree that it's very hard to keep pace.
There isn't a bike division in the Northumbria force area (one of the biggest areas of any force) but Durham constabulary cover all the biking roads. They have a full livery R1 more show but can't outrun it.
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Bit of a discussion and opinions thread (someone get the popcorn)
I was watching police interceptors earlier and they had an unmarked s1000rr and Hayabusa as patrol bikes, I've also seen an unmarked blade and a few vfr1200's down at H Caf.
With the rise of police using high performance bikes and cars like Audi's, evo's and scoobys are the days of people getting away from the police just by pinning it, And the mentality of 'If I get stopped I'll just do one, they won't be able to catch me' over?
Do you think the police really need vehicles like this? Would you stick around or take your chances? Do you think some people see it as a challenge?
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Look at the cars they use as well Focus ST, Volvo T5, BMW 5 series, Jag XF, Audis etc. The vehicles are chosen to blend in and appear like a member of the public. Its not a case of they need all that power and go, but its more than likely safer and easier to 'keep up' having more than necessary at their disposable.
ChrisCurvyS
10-09-13, 08:03 PM
More to the point, I dare say the average Joe on a 'Blade / S1000RR / Ninja wouldn't have a hope in getting away from a half-decent police rider on a typical RT/Pan anyway, unless they're on a very long, very long, very straight bit of road.
Having just done a track day in the company of a couple of retired police riders, (both of whom pretty much tore me a new one at every opportunity), those things tend to be very, very well ridden.
I suspect the Busa's et all are more of a show thing as much as anything - same as that force down south (London somewhere I think) that had the fully marked up Lambo.
Not doubting the individual police riders you met but I'm not so sure.
Like all advanced motorcyclists, police riders should have excellent roadcraft. However, they don't tend to be taught about the finer points of motorcycle control and on-limit handling so I wouldn't expect them to out-corner or brake a capable rider who's done a few track days.
MCN invited a police rider to be assessed on the track a while back and the instructors were quite alarmed at how she was cornering. As she had been taught, she was sat bolt upright in the middle of the bike, oblivious to how close she was to lowsiding.
And don't forget, those big Pans and BMWs ground out pretty easily if you're pushing it.
yorkie_chris
10-09-13, 08:12 PM
Ok mate, after you, you try it.
Road and track, very different place. And MCN are full of sh*t. :mrgreen:
I reckon I could take a half competent police rider on a really twisty gnarly moor road, on a good day. Throw a bit of restricted visibility into the mix and no chance. Some of you might know who I'm on about but he seems to make hedges and walls transparent.
Go on a bikesafe, get the hammer down and think you're going some, then wonder how they're still right on the back of you on their ill-handling sack of crap.
andrewsmith
10-09-13, 08:26 PM
I reckon I could take a half competent police rider on a really twisty gnarly moor road, on a good day. Throw a bit of restricted visibility into the mix and no chance. Some of you might know who I'm on about but he seems to make hedges and walls transparent.
I'll agree with that, and yes you would have no chance (last time was average speed 100mph over one section)
Go on a bikesafe, get the hammer down and think you're going some, then wonder how they're still right on the back of you on their ill-handling sack of crap.
And definitely agree to that!
motorcycle cops in this country are on the road EVERY day come rain, shine and snow. they have had the best of the best training and only the best of the best get picked to do the job. do they crash, feck yes but think of the job they are doing. would you out run them.. depends, as YC said there is no way on earth that you will on B roads or many A roads so that leaves motorways to which they will just radio ahead. same goes for the traffic patrol cars.
don't run as they don't like it. be nice and its amazing how nice they are back ;)
Ok mate, after you, you try it.
Road and track, very different place. And MCN are full of sh*t. :mrgreen:
I reckon I could take a half competent police rider on a really twisty gnarly moor road, on a good day. Throw a bit of restricted visibility into the mix and no chance. Some of you might know who I'm on about but he seems to make hedges and walls transparent.
Go on a bikesafe, get the hammer down and think you're going some, then wonder how they're still right on the back of you on their ill-handling sack of crap.
Agree to that. Was mega impressed at how close they could ride constantly and yet 'safely'. They have very good bike handling skills and need it considering the typical Police bike isn't your average sports bike
ChrisCurvyS
10-09-13, 08:47 PM
Ok mate, after you, you try it.
Road and track, very different place. And MCN are full of sh*t. :mrgreen:
I reckon I could take a half competent police rider on a really twisty gnarly moor road, on a good day. Throw a bit of restricted visibility into the mix and no chance. Some of you might know who I'm on about but he seems to make hedges and walls transparent.
Go on a bikesafe, get the hammer down and think you're going some, then wonder how they're still right on the back of you on their ill-handling sack of crap.
Ha - I'm not saying I could do it, though I rode with a few ex-police when I was doing my my RoSPA training and managed to stay with them. Some of the time. :-)
What I'm saying is their standard training mainly teaches basic bike control and a high degree of roadcraft, which I think most people can pick up pretty quickly and is really just common sense.
What they don't get taught (unless they seek it out themselves) is the sort of fine-tuned on-limit bike control that racers and trackday veterans have, which you only get from exploring the limits of grip and falling off occasionally. Now that I don't claim to have - takes a lot of time, effort, natural ability and courage.
It's an isolated example granted but I saw an episode of Roadwars once where a police biker (on a rideout his day off) lost the front end simply braking to sharply for some traffic lights and broke his Mrs' leg quite badly. His attitude was 'it was just one of those things, not my fault'! Really?
They'll all be good advanced riders but they're not superhuman and not necessarily better than a good civillian advanced rider. It's like saying all coppers are excellent at fighting because of the basic self-defence training they do...
TheRuffellator
10-09-13, 09:26 PM
Interesting input from all there, now I've never actually ridden with a police biker or even near one apart from when ones passed me going the other way. Yes they spend all day everyday out on the roads and there's no arguing they're knowledge of road craft and their road riding skills but I bet no more than 10% give or take is hooning it round corners and twistys. Surely an experienced track day rider on a decent bike would be a match for them? No idea of this is actually the case, it's just a chain of thought :)
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Littlepeahead
10-09-13, 09:43 PM
The liveried bikes weigh about half a ton. Probably not that easy to throw about. Essex have a Ducati 1198 fire bike. It's for PR mostly. The dealer supplies it free and as Paul said earlier it's there to get you chatting at shows. But having ridden with the fireman who does the shows with it you soon find out that he and his police colleagues seem to enjoy a track day when they aren't spending their weekends doing the Bike Safe courses.
bit off topic. something i have noticed in recent yeas is getting pulled over for a chat. yes that's right at one time if you were out late at night and the boys in blue spotted you you got pulled just for the sake of a chinwag. of course they always had an excuse but it was just that and excuse. used to get a good old laugh with them.
now they are boring straight to the point miserable so and so's, but this still does not stop me being nice.
i've never run from them, this might be due to the fact that we had fantastic police round out area when i was a kid so you respected them.
TheRuffellator
10-09-13, 10:11 PM
i've never run from them, this might be due to the fact that we had fantastic police round out area when i was a kid so you respected them.
Unlike a lot of people my age I've got a lot of respect for the police, always fancied being a copper ever since I was young. Shame they have to put up with such oiks most of the time!
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yorkie_chris
10-09-13, 10:12 PM
Ha - I'm not saying I could do it, though I rode with a few ex-police when I was doing my my RoSPA training and managed to stay with them. Some of the time. :-)
What I'm saying is their standard training mainly teaches basic bike control and a high degree of roadcraft, which I think most people can pick up pretty quickly and is really just common sense.
What they don't get taught (unless they seek it out themselves) is the sort of fine-tuned on-limit bike control that racers and trackday veterans have, which you only get from exploring the limits of grip and falling off occasionally. Now that I don't claim to have - takes a lot of time, effort, natural ability and courage.
It's an isolated example granted but I saw an episode of Roadwars once where a police biker (on a rideout his day off) lost the front end simply braking to sharply for some traffic lights and broke his Mrs' leg quite badly. His attitude was 'it was just one of those things, not my fault'! Really?
They'll all be good advanced riders but they're not superhuman and not necessarily better than a good civillian advanced rider. It's like saying all coppers are excellent at fighting because of the basic self-defence training they do...
I see your point, really.
But, on the road, in 95%+ of all circumstance it's not about putting down all of the available grip. More about making it all flow.
you use 99% of the grip on the way out of a blind corner, fair play. But the guy behind you with the better roadcraft has just taken 20 yards out of you because he carried the speed through the corner instead.
P.S racing and track riding is easy, you get to go round the same corners dozens of times to find out exactly where the limits are. And if you fall off you have a nice grassy slide and no forms to fill out afterwards :mrgreen:
Red Herring
10-09-13, 11:11 PM
Here's a short clip of what off duty coppers get up to every year just to keep their hand in..... They get the route book two days before, and the roads are "open" to normal traffic whilst they try and learn which way to go. The gravel and such like is extra, usually dragged out by the cars that get to go first, so it pays to keep a bit in hand.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3kuX14D9uQ
what bikes are they on, supermotos?
Red Herring
11-09-13, 05:24 AM
Everything from GS's through big sports bikes down to a smattering of Supermotos. The clip was shot from an SV650 and you can see how it catches the Supermoto on the tarmac.
Owenski
11-09-13, 07:14 AM
Thats the very video which sprung to mind when reading this thread, I see I wasn't the only one who thought about it either. Knowing the author of that video I can only bow to that riding standard, Kudos :)
As for getting away from the police... not worth the bother IMO
I'm not a mastermind criminal so if I were to get a tugg it would only be for a minor traffic offence, in which case they would have already run me through the computer and know more about me than I can recall at the roadside anyway. Running (even if by grace of god I made it away)would only end up with me been caught whilst I sat at home, either way running comes with a harsher penalty than any offence I'm likely to have committed.
So would i run? No.
Do I think I'd get away if I did run? Not a chance.
Do they need these machines? Well if they were only armed with 50cc scooters I'd prob change the answer to the first 2, so Yeah I guess by them having these machines regardless of using them they deter criminal activity.
Specialone
11-09-13, 07:19 AM
Most people trying to run from the police are mongs, most police drivers could keep up with them in a diesel Astra.
Same with bikes, the superbikes would have straight line speed advantage but in an urban environment cornering speed would be similar with the police having to manage risk at the same time, the average escapee would be riding on adrenalin and mediocre talent, they would be ham fisted and probably crash before long, hence motorcycle pursuits come under different criteria I believe.
Littlepeahead
11-09-13, 07:20 AM
In Sri Lanka they have solved thus probkem. The public can only ride up to a 125. The police get 250s. The uber police get a 400. I guess over there trying to get away is tricky. Especially if the rest of your family plus the goat and the dog riding pillion are slowing you down. :)
Saw a police Ducati 1199 panigale at silverstone last weekend. Had the full livery but not sure if it was operational or just a show piece.
Will upload a pic later as I'm on my phone.
Would I run?.... No.
Here they are. Stall at Silverstone MotoGP this year. I doubt very much they've ever been used operationally(especially the second bike), more of an ice breaker to engage with bikers as others have said.
http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=934&pictureid=7231
http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=934&pictureid=7230
ChrisCurvyS
11-09-13, 09:15 AM
Yeah it's a common thing they do creating a 'show' police bike - same with cars when they get Lambos etc. Nice bit of publicity both for the manufacturer and the force - a win-win in BS PR speak.
TBH I wish more crims would try to outrun the police on fast bikes - would help to keep their numbers down a bit.
punyXpress
11-09-13, 09:25 AM
Here's a short clip of what off duty coppers get up to every year just to keep their hand in..... They get the route book two days before, and the roads are "open" to normal traffic whilst they try and learn which way to go. The gravel and such like is extra, usually dragged out by the cars that get to go first, so it pays to keep a bit in hand.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3kuX14D9uQ
. . and breathe . .
oh, and the 'stealth' 'busa at play in the A166/B1248 triangle is fully operational!
Luckypants
11-09-13, 09:50 AM
I reckon I could take a half competent police rider on a really twisty gnarly moor road, on a good day. Throw a bit of restricted visibility into the mix and no chance. Some of you might know who I'm on about but he seems to make hedges and walls transparent.
This. (yes he does have x-ray vision!) It is not just UK coppers either, I have had the privilege of riding with some French police motorcyclists on their days off and they are also very rapid and safe. I led them on a ride-out on my local roads. We were going good and proper, check mirrors, French cop right on my tail, two up and taking in the view!
I would say that any professional force will train it's motorcyclists to a high standard and those riders would be well capable of keeping up with any track rider.
I would never try to out-run one of these guys.
timwilky
11-09-13, 10:23 AM
I have unfortunately seen the aftermath of a crim who did his best to outrun a police biker in Manchester. He in a cage at night rammed it in reverse as the police bike came round the corner behind him.
Poor sod stood no chance. I hope they got him.
As for liveried performance bikes the only purpose they serve is PR. Stealth mode is down right naughty as they can goad you into pushing it when somebody suddenly appears behind you.
craig dow
11-09-13, 10:57 AM
just booked a coarse out with this guy , so im hopeing i can pick up a lot of him http://www.grampianmotorcycleclub.co.uk/advtra.php
Biker Biggles
11-09-13, 11:08 AM
Police riders cant be that quick.:rolleyes:
Look at them,no hump backs:cool:,no race boots and gloves:smt028,and most important no knee sliders:o.How can you get decent corner speed without getting at least your knee down?And then theres tyres.They use touring rubber FCS.:confused:
No chance when they are up against a hardened weekend warrior like me.:D
Specialone
11-09-13, 11:14 AM
Police riders cant be that quick.:rolleyes:
Look at them,no hump backs:cool:,no race boots and gloves:smt028,and most important no knee sliders:o.How can you get decent corner speed without getting at least your knee down?And then theres tyres.They use touring rubber FCS.:confused:
No chance when they are up against a hardened weekend warrior like me.:D
I heard the distinct sound of a gauntlet being laid down :smt081
TheRuffellator
11-09-13, 11:55 AM
Anyone know if there are any Traffic Officers or Police motorcyclists on the forum? Who better too ask ayy.
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Biker Biggles
11-09-13, 12:05 PM
Anyone know if there are any Traffic Officers or Police motorcyclists on the forum? Who better too ask ayy.
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Just one or two;)
maviczap
11-09-13, 12:38 PM
What's all this nonsense about performance vehicles.
This what my local force got issued
http://suffolk-cache.iwitness24.co.uk/en/photos/fun/2012-08-20/5148/police-tractor/medium/8809-police-jpg.jpg
Its dual purpose, not just single minded speed machine, but it can plough at a decent lick :D
keith_d
11-09-13, 04:21 PM
They were advised by their London colleagues to order a 'Chelsea Tractor' but something was lost in translation.
ChrisCurvyS
11-09-13, 06:21 PM
The long farm of the law.
Bluepete
11-09-13, 06:36 PM
Anyone know if there are any Traffic Officers or Police motorcyclists on the forum? Who better too ask ayy.
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Red Herring
11-09-13, 07:01 PM
Without letting to many cats out and getting into lots of poo as a result......
Unmarked bikes are used by the police to gather evidence, often used to target other bikers but actually they nick far more car drivers than they do riders..... If you think about it what better tool for keeping up with someone who is driving like a complete moron without having to do so yourself? The reason they use sports bikes is because they don't look like police bikes....bit obvious really!
It is extremely rare for an unmarked bike to become involved in any kind of pursuit, even against another bike. There is some footage floating around the internet of several "follows" where the police rider has been reporting the progress of a motorcyclist so that a marked unit can intercept, but these are not pursuits as no attempt had yet been made to stop the rider who generally doesn't even know that the bike he is "playing" with is a copper. This has led to all sorts of discussion on "entrapment" but when you get to see the videos in their full unedited version it is fairly obvious as to why the police rider started following them in the first place.
And finally, and please act responsibly on this information, it is extremely rare for the police to continue any kind of pursuit against a motorcyclist, even if they have a police bike to do it for them. The reasons are complex but in essence the police can only pursue if they are working towards a resolution, and they don't have anything in their box of tricks to stop a motorcyclist safely, so as soon as a motorcyclist makes it clear they don't want to stop they will abandon it. As several have said on here the consequences of doing a runner can be fatal, for you or someone else, please don't even consider it. Unless you are on false plates or have nicked the bike they will come knocking......
The reason I posted up the video was to try and demonstrate the difference between track riding and riding quickly on the road. Even knowing that nothing should be coming the other way you will have seen that even on the "clean" corners the bike isn't over that far because you always have to have something in reserve to deal with the unexpected, and the roads are full of them, even in the UK! There is always someone who can go faster than you, it may be that they are genuinely a better rider or it may just be that they are prepared to dip into that reserve more than you are. The trick is knowing the difference..... Stay safe guys. (and girls)
TheRuffellator
11-09-13, 07:24 PM
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Out run this
http://davidclare.me.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/essex-heli01-18_07_09.jpg
Red Herring
11-09-13, 08:50 PM
You wouldn't even know it was there, especially if you were on a bike.....
TheRuffellator
11-09-13, 08:58 PM
You wouldn't even know it was there, especially if you were on a bike.....
Depends how far away it is, but I can definitely still hear Helicopters and low flying aircraft etc when I'm riding, even with ear plugs in.
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yorkie_chris
11-09-13, 09:08 PM
When they're at 1000'... behind you... and you're doing 150... no you can't!
TheRuffellator
11-09-13, 09:16 PM
Yeah fair enough if you're tanking it away from them you wouldn't, but normal riding you sure do, 1000ft really isn't as high as you think it is.
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Owenski
11-09-13, 09:22 PM
Deleted, didn't see the extra page on tapa.
SvNewbie
11-09-13, 10:04 PM
Out run this
http://davidclare.me.uk/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/essex-heli01-18_07_09.jpg
Cruising speed for that is 158mph, and the structural limit speed is 176mph (it won't be able to do that in straight and level flight). So on an R1 on a completely empty and straight road you might just do it!
My tip would be to head for the nearest major airport and do laps passing within a mile of the runway. That will soon **** off ATC.
Cruising speed for that is 158mph, and the structural limit speed is 176mph (it won't be able to do that in straight and level flight). So on an R1 on a completely empty and straight road you might just do it!
My tip would be to head for the nearest major airport and do laps passing within a mile of the runway. That will soon **** off ATC.
But with the fancy high spec cameras they have its doesnt need to stick with you that long.
Besides it only needs to know where your heading to instruct officers further up the road so your still stuffed lol
kaivalagi
12-09-13, 06:15 AM
Let's face it, if you're spotted doing silly speeds that's it no matter if you are pursued by bike, car or chopper or just have your reg taken...it's just a question of when it catches up to you.
Everything from GS's through big sports bikes down to a smattering of Supermotos. The clip was shot from an SV650 and you can see how it catches the Supermoto on the tarmac.
Was it all done on your own bikes RH? DO you get to do this sort of thing every year?
I have to say if I could ride half as good as that I'd be happy! I would have lost my nerve after the first couple of tight corners with all that loose stuff on!!
keith_d
12-09-13, 06:32 AM
My tip would be to head for the nearest major airport and do laps passing within a mile of the runway. That will soon **** off ATC.
My nearest major airport is Heathrow which has a plane landing every 2 minutes from ~6am 'til midnight. So even if ATC wanted to give the police chopper clearance to cross the incoming traffic they would need several minutes to create a gap.
Ridding skill needs practice.
Keeping a cool head ,the abillity to look were you want to go.
Any one who can cope with a front wheel slide ,get back in the grove is doing fine ;)
craig dow
12-09-13, 06:49 AM
all said and done , im just glad they are out there , i break the speed limit now and again and im sure im not the only one , but im not stupid and iv never hit 100mph on my bike , but if it wasnt for the cops out there in there fast cars/ bikes could you imagine what the roads would be like , the motuary would be full every day with road victims , and the would just not be safe to go on , so i take my hat of to them for doing a great job , i wouldnt do there job now for love or money ,
joe_f59
12-09-13, 09:04 AM
Or pop down to the London Arms fair and grab one of these and a willing pillion...
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2011/4/11/1302535024508/arms-fair-in-London-007.jpg
kaivalagi
12-09-13, 09:58 AM
Ridding skill needs practice.
Keeping a cool head ,the abillity to look were you want to go.
Any one who can cope with a front wheel slide ,get back in the grove is doing fine ;)
Yep practice, practice, practice ;-)
Red Herring
12-09-13, 06:48 PM
Was it all done on your own bikes RH? DO you get to do this sort of thing every year?
First went in 1993, been every year since then except this year when it was cancelled...:(
Matt-EUC
12-09-13, 09:04 PM
And won the last 9?
Red Herring
12-09-13, 09:17 PM
Never won outright I'm afraid, finished second a few times but there's always some pesky Frenchman that pips me, once by only six seconds! I did manage a 16 year run of never being beaten by a fellow Brit though.
It is good to see a generally law abiding attitude to this.
There are always going to be good and bad riders, just as there are good and bad police riders. I know many that would quite simply be impossible to get away from even if you are Shane Byrnes or Cal Crutchlow. That much is a fact, I have proved it time and time again. The question is would you want to?
I have witnessed some incredible pursuits, and ultimately, sometimes it is just not worth it. Never underestimate a good Police rider, or driver. How do you know they are good? you don't, don't take the chance.
The worst that's ever going to happen is a fine and points. That always beats death or serious injury.
Every time you go for a ride, someone is desperate you return! Don't let them down.
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Matt-EUC
17-09-13, 03:59 PM
Well said.
Wanna race? :D
Red Herring
17-09-13, 06:13 PM
Wanna race? :D
Now remember what happened last time we tried that......
Matt-EUC
17-09-13, 06:16 PM
Wanna do an oil change then race? :D
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