kevin pieterson

[The Basket]

Wots going on here?

Sounds like something nasty.

You dont rid your best. Even if he is a fool.

[Littlepeahead]

Don't get me started on all that's wrong with KP!

[Littlepeahead]

This is a U rated forum so I'm not allowed to use rude words about him. Also it's a public forum.

What I will say is that Matt Prior is a decent bloke, very much at the heart of keeping the team as one, and discussions that go on in the dressing room should stay within the dressing room. Not told to your tabloid hack mate to be used to try and make you look like the injured party later on.

Anyone who uses Piers Morgan as their spokesperson, pah!

[Spank86]

He's too erratic for my liking.

He's a luxury player, when the teams playing well he MIGHT go out and blast an amazing innings and just make things better but half the time he just fizzes around and takes risks that don't pay off when things aren't going well.

[Littlepeahead]

He's also 100% one of those things you use to open a door.

[Biker Biggles]

He's also 100% one of those things you use to open a door.

Never knew he was a sledgehammer.:x

[Spank86]

He's also 100% one of those things you use to open a door.


Who cares?

I don't have to talk to him, just watch him swing a bat. :p

To be fair though, he always seemed like one when he played for Hampshire, never acted like part of the team or seemed to want to be there. He should have been a footballer, then nobody would ever have noticed.

[Matt-EUC]

It's just not cricket.

Oh wait...

[Littlepeahead]

David Brent summed it up really...

There may be no 'I' in team, but there's a 'ME' if you look hard enough.

[The Basket]

Thing is its all about the dirt.

and we the general public dont know the dirt.

So we can assess the cricket.
I mean if they sacked all the bad players from the ashes series they be not much left.

So. still none wiser.

[Mrs DJ Fridge]

It is a cricket team, as a casual observer I would suggest that he is perhaps not a team player, perhaps he needs a different sport that he can do on his own.

[The Basket]

But why now?
What has changed in the past few weeks?
KP is an egomaniac non-shock.
I bet if he got hundreds in Oz and saved the team he would be golden.
Ego or no ego.
And Alastair Cook....what he do in Oz....I shudder to say. If I thought anyone was going for the chop it would be Cook. So maybe KP is the scapegoat to hide other ills.
If KP played for Australia he would still be playing. Mitchell Johnson said he was the only English batter who they worried about

[chris8886]

But why now?
What has changed in the past few weeks?
KP is an egomaniac non-shock.
I bet if he got hundreds in Oz and saved the team he would be golden.
Ego or no ego.
And Alastair Cook....what he do in Oz....I shudder to say. If I thought anyone was going for the chop it would be Cook. So maybe KP is the scapegoat to hide other ills.
If KP played for Australia he would still be playing. Mitchell Johnson said he was the only English batter who they worried about



there's not a great deal of this I disagree with, however I do and can see why the ecb have done it. kp is and has been a destructive force in amongst the team for a long time I think. I also think the ecb are having a go at "out with the old and in with the new" type of approach, which I don't think is a hugely bad stance to take as long as they do it in the right way. yes the likes of Alistair cook didn't have a good tour, but then who did in all reality? I think cook is an excellent captain and will only get better with time, remember he's not been in the job all that long himself (and also isn't that old).


you are probably right tho, if kp had scored a couple of centuries, or England won the series they'd have probably left the team be really.

[The Basket]

Not sure about Cook. Didnt bat very well. Didnt Captain very well in Ashes tour. And Pieterson was top scorer. Which is not much.
I am not a heads must roll screamer and think that Cook deserves a fair go. But if Cook decides KP isnt good enough because of his performance in Oz then I hope he dont look in the mirror.

[Littlepeahead]

Read Paul Newman's piece in the Daily Mail today.

ECB have no doubt got a gagging order on all parties but the ECB head of media used to work for the Mail. I'm putting 2 and 2 together...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-2553386/Kevin-Pietersen-whistled-cheery-tune-final-dismissal-Ashes-England.html

Put another way, if you worked in a job, let's say a production line, with a nice easy going hard working bunch of mates, all putting in the hours, and one utter to$$er who turned up late, sometimes did the work well but then just as often didn't do much at all and while there made everyone else feel on edge, told your MD you all hate him even if you don't, and constantly made it known he had another part time job where he got paid a load more money than you, which is why he turns up to work in a flash car do you think this would generally increase productivity in your workplace? I'm guessing not. The company would most likely say 'This one employee is affecting our business, despite 2 days a week being very efficient. Let's sack him and train up some new lads who in time could be just as good without all the trouble and we'll get a better productivity from the overall workforce'. In any other business it would seem logical and sensible.

Sadly all this hoo ha is detracting from the nasty little scheme ECB, BCCI and Cricket Australia are cooking up to take over world cricket. Now that's what cricket fans should really be worried about.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci-icc/content/story/710723.html

[Spank86]

But why now?
What has changed in the past few weeks?
KP is an egomaniac non-shock.
I bet if he got hundreds in Oz and saved the team he would be golden.
Ego or no ego.
And Alastair Cook....what he do in Oz....I shudder to say. If I thought anyone was going for the chop it would be Cook. So maybe KP is the scapegoat to hide other ills.
If KP played for Australia he would still be playing. Mitchell Johnson said he was the only English batter who they worried about
IMHO whats changed is that the England team is no longer playing well enough as a whole to support an erratic egomaniac who might go out chasing 200 and take an unnecessary risk on his 3rd ball.

They need good cricketers, and cricketers with flair yes, but cricketers who know how and when to get the job done.

[Littlepeahead]

You are not wrong Adam.

So much has been written about Andy Flower and his attitude but this is by members of the press who only speak to Andy in a press conference environment when he is always going to be very guarded.

Honesty and openness were always a key part of his coaching so he would not have had a problem with the players having a management free meeting to discuss how they could sort things out. That KP used it as an opportunity to start trying to get an anti Flower campaign going among the team shows just how badly he misjudged things and how he was not part of the team ethic.

What has been written about Andy gives a very one sided story of what he is really like. Away from the media when he's with his friends he is a very different character.

[The Basket]

So thats whats we talk about.
Press has bizarre powers over sport and Pieterson as media friendly is certainly visual.

[madcockney]

I don't know anything about cricket, but I do know about team work in other sports, interests, and organisations. You get some who consider they are part of the team, and others that think the rest of the team is just there to support them!

[Matt-EUC]

I don't know anything about cricket, but I do know about team work in other sports, interests, and organisations. You get some who consider they are part of the team, and others that think the rest of the team is just there to support them!

Like in boxing?

[Littlepeahead]

Sunday Times today have a very well written piece by Strauss, a man who was absolutely at the centre of things. He writes honestly with no malice.

[madcockney]

Like in boxing?

:smile:

Take your point, but I was not thinking about an individual in a sport who has a team supporting him, more of where you should be an integral part of the team.

Sunday Times today have a very well written piece by Strauss, a man who was absolutely at the centre of things. He writes honestly with no malice.

He's made the point very well and in very few words.

[Littlepeahead]

Another statement from ECB imminent.

[Matt-EUC]

Sunday Times today have a very well written piece by Strauss, a man who was absolutely at the centre of things. He writes honestly with no malice.


Linky?

[Littlepeahead]

*For Immediate Use*Joint Media Statement issued on behalf of ECB and the PCA*It has been a matter of great frustration that until now the England and Wales Cricket Board has*been unable to respond to the unwarranted and unpleasant criticism of England players*and the ECB itself,*which has provided an unwelcome backdrop to the recent negotiations to release Kevin Pietersen from his central contract.*Those negotiations have been successfully concluded and whilst both parties remain bound by confidentiality provisions the ECB would like to make the following comments.*The ECB recognises the significant contribution Kevin has made to England teams over the last decade. He has played some of the finest innings ever produced by an England batsman.*However, the England team needs to rebuild after the whitewash in Australia. To do that we must invest in our captain*Alastair Cook and we must support him in creating a culture in which we can be confident he will have the full support of all players, with everyone pulling in the same direction and able to trust each other. It is for those reasons that we have decided to move on without Kevin Pietersen.*Following the announcement of that decision, allegations have been made, some from people outside cricket, which*as well as*attacking the rationale of the ECB’s decision-making,*have questioned, without justification, the integrity of the England Team Director and some of England’s players. Clearly what happens in the dressing room or team meetings should remain in that environment and not be distributed to people not connected with the team. This is a core principle of any sports team, and any such action would constitute a breach of trust and team ethics.*Whilst respecting that principle, it is important to stress that Andy Flower, Alastair Cook and Matt Prior, who have all been*singled out for uninformed and unwarranted criticism, retain the total confidence and respect of all the other members of the Ashes party. These are men who care deeply about the fortunes of the England team and its image, and it is ironic that they were the people who led the reintegration of Kevin Pietersen into the England squad in 2012.*Ends

[Spank86]

Summariesed for the tl;dr brigade...

KP, Good cricketer: bad human.

[Matt-EUC]

It's not as long as some of fallout's ravings.