Recommend me some underseal.

[Wideboy]

Just had my van motted out (insert giggedy) and have got a few advisories for corrosion on the under side. I had it up on the ramps week before last to sort some bits out but I knew before hand there was a little bit of bubbling, checked it over and it was still looking the same as it was 6 months ago, bubbling old underseal and nothing serious or rotten. Didn't think it was enough to get advisories on it but I have.

Can anyone recommend me some underseal that will kill off existing corrosion. My plan is to get rid off all the old bubbly crap, clean it up and go over it with new stuff. I shultz'd all in my wheel arches and wells before winter so they're looking like new, but couldn't see if it would kill off corrosion so didn't do any over the corrosion'y bits underneath the van (albeit they are listed as nothing to worry about).

[Specialone]

I used to use wayoxl on my old motors when rust was a problem, spray it or brush everywhere, I think that's got rust inhibitor or some other magic in it, always worked for me anyhow.

Where possible spray it on the inside of the panels too.

[Spank86]

Can anyone recommend me some underseal that will kill off existing corrosion. My plan is to get rid off all the old bubbly crap, clean it up and go over it with new stuff. I shultz'd all in my wheel arches and wells before winter so they're looking like new, but couldn't see if it would kill off corrosion so didn't do any over the corrosion'y bits underneath the van (albeit they are listed as nothing to worry about).

There are some that might claim to kill off the corrosion. I'd trust them about as far as I'd trust a bridge built of toilet paper.

[dirtydog]

Just take a flap sander or wire brush on an angles ringer and get rid of the rust properly and do a proper job

[Owenski]

+1 flap disc with an angle grinder then hamerite paint out of the pot.
Job jobbed.

[Wideboy]

I was going to clean it right off but with my experience with rust unless you cut the piece of metal right out it will just come back. My transit's mint so i don't like the idea of it rotting away from the underneath.

[Spank86]

I was going to clean it right off but with my experience with rust unless you cut the piece of metal right out it will just come back. My transit's mint so i don't like the idea of it rotting away from the underneath.

if you get every last spec of rust off and then apply a coating with a rust inhibitor you might be okay.

The time to apply underseal is really before it starts rusting. any coating can only protect what it's in direct contact with so if there is more than a spec of rust there's still a danger of it spreading, plus the rust can spread from edges or the other side of the metal.

[Specialone]

If you wanna go down the proper route, then a wire brush wheel in a drill or grinder then paint on the chemical rust primers, they chemically change the rust particles and it's primed ready for top coat, that stuff works very well actually.

[Dave20046]

If you wanna go down the proper route, then a wire brush wheel in a drill or grinder then paint on the chemical rust primers, they chemically change the rust particles and it's primed ready for top coat, that stuff works very well actually.

and then waxoyl (as suggested above)

Lambretta footboard magic

[Bibio]

paint on the chemical rust primers, they chemically change the rust particles and it's primed ready for top coat, that stuff works very well actually.

the active ingredient is phosphoric acid.

[yorkie_chris]

Body shutz seems to go hard and it rots away underneath it, I thin it down a bit with old oil and use that.
I spray waxoyl inside any hollow bits.

[tj2]

the active ingredient is phosphoric acid.


Can be obtained quite cheaply at Aldi.


One of the ingrediants in cola !!

[Luckypants]

As others have said, removing with a brush or something is the best way to go. Dunno about 'rust killers' as they never seemed to work too well for me but it is a few years since I used them so they may have improved.

I have always found Waxoyl to be excellent to stopping rust spreading after you clean it up. Rust is basically iron oxide, so if you stop the air getting to it then it shouldn't spread. (I feel I may now get a chemistry lesson in why this is too simple an approach) Waxoyl stays tacky and creeps over time into the little nooks and crannies to keep everything covered. It can even 'heal' itself when a small bit is scratched off, by creeping back. I used to apply it hot, as it is more runny then and you get a better spray from the thinner liquid. Apply after a few warm days too if you can so the metal is not so cold, this lets the Waxoyl run more easily into corners. HTH

[yorkie_chris]

I reckon waxoyl is probably better than underseal/shutz type things but needs applying a bit more regularly.

For a transit, probably daily :mrgreen:

[Spank86]

Rust is basically iron oxide, so if you stop the air getting to it then it shouldn't spread. (I feel I may now get a chemistry lesson in why this is too simple an approach)
No, that's pretty much it.

If you can remove any one of the: oxygen, hydrogen OR iron then you can't possibly have rust.

Removing the iron may not be the best solution.

[Jason H]

If you really want to do a proper job on it get the rust off with the wire brush and described by almost everybody else, then paint with a good few layers of Hammerite Red Oxide followed by a coat of two of whatever colour Hammerite you fancy and finish off with waxoyl or something similar.

You'll probably find everything else will rust around it instead but hey, it won't rust there anymore.

J

[Mark_h]

If you can park it upside down and put a few foxes glacier mints on the underside on a warm day I can pretty much guarantee it'll be both impervious to everything and stronger than any other transit floor. I'll send the kids down to see you; should take no more than 10 minutes for them to do the entire van.

[Phoenix22]

Didn't realise it was a Transit you wanted to protect. Best bet is to sell it sharpish.

[Wideboy]

to buy a transit without rust is classed as an optional extra even the new ones arrive from turkey with corroded looms, but when you consider the only real competition is vauxhall and renault i think i'll stick with what I have.

[Spank86]

to buy a transit without rust is classed as an optional extra even the new ones arrive from turkey with corroded looms, but when you consider the only real competition is vauxhall and renault i think i'll stick with what I have.

Mercedes or Volkswagen?

[Wideboy]

mercs rust up just as bad and VW massively overpriced.

[Spank86]

mercs rust up just as bad and VW massively overpriced.
I think you'd suit one of these:

http://www.bedfordrascal.com/img/homeimage_394.jpg

[Wideboy]

had one :-D

equally as rusty but sound awesome with the zorst degutted. Managed to get the SV in it and still get it off the clocks on the m27, and nearly tipped it over on my mates farm, good times.

nothing wrong with my van, plenty of body stacking room and all that.

[Phoenix22]

I think Fords marketing strategy is just to sell as many new vans to the utility comps etc for the best price possible. They don't really care how long they last thats why they build them out of ****ty metal with no effort whatsoever at rust prevention. Look at any eurovan of 14 years old and you will find no corrosion whatsoever.

My old transit got to 150K miles and went for scrap. My Peugeot 2.0 HDI has now done 220K and not a rust spot in sight on an 02 plate. No transit will do that.

[Wideboy]

It's not so much the metal protection its the design itself. For example the cills under the sliding door, ford have designed it so that the water that collects in door recess drains into inside the door cill via drain holes then drains out the bottom of the cill, on paper that kind of works in a half assed way but in the real word it doesn't and the water sits inside the cill with all the muck and rots from the inside out. But thats why they're cheap and mechanically they're more reliable and cheaper to repair than the competitors (ignoring the brand spanking new one as that's just ridiculous).

All vans have they're faults, ford and mercs rot, vauxhall's eat gearboxes and has electric problems much like nissan, renault, pug, fiat, VW have an illusion of reliability but at a hefty premium. A prime example is vauxhall Renault and nissan all bought and marketed the same van and all three manufacturers knew they were **** but went along with it and churned them out.

If you want something that will last and is of decent quality, don't buy a van.

[yorkie_chris]

Look at any eurovan of 14 years old and you will find no corrosion whatsoever.

Bwahahaha yeah right #points at vito sat outside#

[Spank86]

vauxhall's eat gearboxes

We run vivaros and after 6 years they are all falling apart.

always off the road with knackered clutches or blown turbos.

[Wideboy]

Didn't you have one that lunched its box? I know of 2 people's that's had boxes lunched. Shame really, I was going to get the sportive one but heard so many horror stories

[Spank86]

Didn't you have one that lunched its box? I know of 2 people's that's had boxes lunched. Shame really, I was going to get the sportive one but heard so many horror stories


yup, under 60k miles although mostly short runs and the thing ate itself, AA bloke recons it's normal for BT vans though ones that do more motorway miles get 100k or so.

The only good thing about it is that compared to my old W reg transit it feels much more like driving a car than a van... Of course that's also a bad thing.

[andrewsmith]

Bwahahaha yeah right #points at vito sat outside#

Yep
They come out the factory rusty!!! Never seen a unrusty Vito or T3, 4 or 5

[Phoenix22]

Bwahahaha yeah right #points at vito sat outside#

Yeah but thats not a eurovan. I'm talking Citroen/peugoet/fiat/lancia conglomerate here. Their 2.0 HDI engine is a gem. i'm getting near 48 to the gallon on a run.

[Wideboy]

what do you mean buy eurovan then? vito's are made in Europe

[Phoenix22]

I'm talking Citroen/peugoet/fiat/lancia conglomerate here

All pretty much the same but with different badges stuck on. Peugeot did the 806 poeple carrier and the partner van. Citroen, Fiat and Lancia also did the same. They also did a high roof version for Taxi/disabled etc. Many have clocked up huge miles, many are full of dents but you will be hard pushed to find a rusty one, the body was fully galvanised. Most certainly the best van I have ever had & I have had lots.

Parts are also surprisingly cheap e.g. cam belt kit with water pump & pulleys £65, front discs with pads £45 a set.

And an added bonus is that you can actually hear the radio, thats just not possible in a Tranny.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peugeot_Expert

[Wideboy]

I had a 2002 Peugeot partner and it was an utter bag of ****e, among a lot of electrical and mechanical stupidness the most ridiculous thing it did was the shock springs exploded when it was just sat on the drive unloaded, i was stood about 2m away from it and pretty much soiled myself, that was at 74k. Had a brand new fiat doblo for a bit and that was scarely ****, they must be PID'd by a drunk.

i can genuinely say the transit is the best all rounder and biggest in it's class i've driven and i don't know what model you had to not be able to hear the stereo?

[Specialone]

Hear the stereo? My 08 transit is no louder than a car, never heard that about the radio before.

[yorkie_chris]

Fiat doblo, FFS, worst bag of crap ever. They've got one at work and I'd rather drive my R reg 200+k vito.

gutless, explody suspension, rattle, bulkhead made of toilet paper, the doors rattle... yeah....

[Specialone]

I wouldn't buy any car or van manufactured by the French tbh, they are cheap yes, they have decent engines (when new) yes, but the rest of the vehicles are made crap, electrical gremlins a plenty, thin bodywork panels that easily dent, they feel cheap too.

When I was employed we used to have Peugeot and Citreon pool cars and vans, they were always being repaired with some issue.
I did like their turbo diesel engines in their vans though, quite powerful.