Guy Martin black flag

[SvNewbie]

I didn't want to derail the other thread about Karl Harris and the tragic news that he passed away following an accident in the Superbike race.

It's been annoying me because I can't find a race-report which says why he was black-flagged. Some rumour about his front axle nut coming off but that sounds amazing if someone spotted that before it ended in disaster.

[Tomor]

Weren't they pointing at his front brake lever region? master cylinder or something maybe?

[SvNewbie]

Towards the front of the bike for sure, though you'd have thought he's have noticed something up with the master cylinder or front brake lever himself though.

[Tomor]

True, Maybe we should send gav on a recce to find out.

[PyroUK]

My googlefu has failed me in attempting to find info on this :-(

[maviczap]

When they did point out why he'd been black flagged he said 'fair play' and didn't complain, so it must have been dangerous

[dkid]

I'm hearing wheel nut.


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[Wideboy]

The rumour was his wheel nut yes, that came over the loud speaker from the commentary which could be hearsay. Apparently a spectator saw it come off at cronk ya vody (sp) and notified a marshal who radioed it down the line and guy was black flagged in parliament square. iirc the spindle nut (if that is what they're referring to) is an integral sleeve on a stocker and held in by the pinch bolts, if that had come out the spindle would have been slacker than Tom's rear end, it would have slid out straight away and the front wheel would have been off on a jolly.

I would imagine it was more like a pinch bolt or caliper bolt, either way it was something obvious as guy didn't need a particularly close look. Tyco have said nothing.

[SvNewbie]

Good work Gav. That's satisfied my curiosity.

Those Superstock bikes can fair shift, I reckon a good day and with a bit of pressure on that BMW would have been able to do a 131mph+ lap.

Amazingly you can go to BMW and ask for one in Superstock ready trim. Only £18k which I know is a fair amount of money, but its the barely the price of a new VW Golf.

[SIII]

Can confirm reports of front spindle nut/bolt, some fella's that were in the crowd saw it come off and got marshall's to radio down the course to stop him.

[Wideboy]

Next year you'll either see restrictions placed on bmw or Honda will pull out a stupid bhp engine. The beemer has about 25bhp on the blade thats why it's all over the place a dunlop is getting such leads. There has been talk of restricting the superbikes in the past as they're already on the limits of what the circuit can handle (they're pulling out 129mph's on super sports).

[maviczap]

Even a un-expert like me can see that having an extra 25bhp is going to make a big difference between him and the others.

If I was Martin, McGuiness & Anstey etc I wouldn't have bothered have turning up on their (now) old tech machines.

I enjoyed watching the super sports race more on Tv than I did the superbike & superstock, there was an inevitability about Dunlops win, the only chance the others had was if he broke down.

[DJ123]

it does give him an advantage, but also a disadvantage-harder on tyres, fuel, chassis etc.

[The Idle Biker]

Yeah I bet that was a real disadvantage...der :-)

[maviczap]

it does give him an advantage, but also a disadvantage-harder on tyres, fuel, chassis etc.

But the Beemer is using newer tech fuel system & chassis, maybe harder on tyres?

The Suzuki, Fireblade & Kwak's have a lot of catching up to do, to make another 25bhp. How old tech is Guy Martins GSXR1000?

BMW plumped a lot of money to ensure they won on the 75th anniversary of their last win

Yeah I bet that was a real disadvantage...der :-)

Agreed Laurie, especially if you saw how quickly he caught the riders who set off in front of him in the first lap.

It'll get as dull as Moto GP

[Red Herring]

If the nut (actually a bolt into the end of the spindle on mine) had come off the spindle would still have been held in place by the pinch bolts on the other leg (anyone got a 2014 GSXR to check they still use that system) although the bottom of the right leg would have been able to flex in and out a bit. Still a good call to flag him though.

[Wideboy]

If they put a lid on bmw its all fuel for the "TT organisers in bed with honda" argument that was going around when milwaukee had their outbust earlier in the year. I wouldn't say the fireblade was out of date compared to the bmw either, they look to handle better it's just the bmw has more power.

I also don't understand why dunlop keeps saying "people thought I was mad for leaving honda for bmw", he said it three times this week when he didn't leave honda for bmw. It's quite apparent that he left legends in a paddy because John took away his chance of 5 wins, then said he wasnt riding this year.

I don't like dunlop anyway, they should ban him just for being a gobsh!te and ego freak, and for the fact he keeps saying he doesn't care if he takes someone off.

[CharleyFarley]

TT +
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(off Guys facebook)


"Gas it w###a".........

[ClunkintheUK]

That man can find a cup of tea quicker than a rabbit on viagra can find a lady rabbit.

[Stuart42]

The bm being faster is what prompts devlopement by other manufacturers,its natural evolution,its why bm's are faster than Hondas.
It wasn't John that took the win from Dunlop,it was Honda. The pit crew were changed to guys that would follow what Honda wanted & not Dunlops usual crew who wouldn't.
Wasn't that keen on Dunlop before,but he has matured a lot over the last couple of years & know that all this talk of taking people out is mind games as have raced with the guy & seen it not to be true.

[CharleyFarley]

That man can find a cup of tea quicker than a rabbit on viagra can find a lady rabbit.


TT Tea............ 😳


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[ClunkintheUK]

TT Tea............ 😳


"Gas it w###a".........

Teahe

[SIII]

Believe they don't use the standard front axle set up on these bikes, bit like rear wheels with captive spacers, the fronts are slightly different to help speed up wheel changes, so pinch bolts aren't used.

Can any racers confirm ???

[Stuart42]

Know they do on endurance bikes,but don't think they can change anything but internals on super stock forks.

[andrewsmith]

The bikes are totally standard as we could buy at a dealer's. There allowed to only change exhausts, brake lines (acu rules), bodywork (to comply to the rules on safety), shock, springs and brake pads.

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[Runako]

Restrict the Superbikes? MORE POWER!!!

[Wideboy]

Believe they don't use the standard front axle set up on these bikes, bit like rear wheels with captive spacers, the fronts are slightly different to help speed up wheel changes, so pinch bolts aren't used.

Can any racers confirm ???

They don't change fronts, and as andynobheadsmith said all they change is the fork internals. The stockers are literally stock plus 500-750 quid.

[andrewsmith]

andynobheadsmith

Love you too Gav!!

[Wideboy]

I thought you'd like that.

[Ben.tattooer]

Thought the sp blade was similar power wise to the s1000?

[SvNewbie]

I have to say, I'm impressed with the TT Zero bikes. By my reckoning the fastest of them made it around the track in a similar time as someone quick would on an SV. Not bad for their 3rd year of running.

Also getting some big names riding them can't hurt.

[andrewsmith]

I have to say, I'm impressed with the TT Zero bikes. By my reckoning the fastest of them made it around the track in a similar time as someone quick would on an SV. Not bad for their 3rd year of running.

Also getting some big names riding them can't hurt.

It's HRC driving development now

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[ChrisCurvyS]

I have to say, I'm impressed with the TT Zero bikes. By my reckoning the fastest of them made it around the track in a similar time as someone quick would on an SV. Not bad for their 3rd year of running.

Also getting some big names riding them can't hurt.
Yep - especially considering most of them are made by a few enthusiastic nerds in a shed.

I was a bit annoyed by all the smirks and jeers the electric bikes were getting when I was at the TT a couple of years ago. Of course they're not going to be as emotive as a V4 bouncing off the rev limiter but they've got potential for low running costs, low maintenance and instant torque.

[DJ123]

Yep - especially considering most of them are made by a few enthusiastic nerds in a shed.

I was a bit annoyed by all the smirks and jeers the electric bikes were getting when I was at the TT a couple of years ago. Of course they're not going to be as emotive as a V4 bouncing off the rev limiter but they've got potential for low running costs, low maintenance and instant torque.

They have 100% power as well, effectively they have no power band.

[Matt-EUC]

I think they can be competitive with the right people backing the development.

HRC fit the bill nicely.


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[ChrisCurvyS]

They have 100% power as well, effectively they have no power band.
And from what I've read electric bikes make more sense than electric cars. Lack of weight, less drivetrain drag and better access to charge points (ie the living room).

Or something.

[Wideboy]

I don't know why people winge about the zero's not being a TT and the wins shouldn't count. Takes a lot of skill to ride a small bike fast just the same as it takes alot of skill to know when and how much power to put down on the bigger bikes.

A lot of of people where moaning that JM's win shouldn't have counted to his overall wins, that's mostly from joey dunlop fans claiming that joey had to get all his wins riding propper races. But really if you think about it, years ago bike were unreliable and poorly equipped compared to modern bikes so really he was only competing with 1-2 other top riders when he was out riding much the same as the zero's have been over the years. Bruce smashed the outright lap record and John beat him on an identical bike and john even admitted he has to carry about 15mph more corner speed and hardly touch the brakes compared to petrol bikes, I'm no expert but to me that takes some serious skill, then add in the fact the bike's heavier and you have to concentrate on managing and conserving your power output thought the entire lap to make sure you get home.

people are also winging about the lightweights saying its not competitive which is ridiculous seeing as most of the bikes on the field are built by the same bloke. If anything the lightweights is the most competitive class of the lot.

I prefer watching the lightweights over all the others if I'm honest.

[CharleyFarley]

I don't know why people winge about the zero's not being a TT and the wins shouldn't count. Takes a lot of skill to ride a small bike fast just the same as it takes alot of skill to know when and how much power to put down on the bigger bikes.

people are also winging about the lightweights saying its not competitive which is ridiculous seeing as most of the bikes on the field are built by the same bloke. If anything the lightweights is the most competitive class of the lot.

I prefer watching the lightweights over all the others if I'm honest.

'Tis all about evolution........
Ultra-light weight/light weight 125/250 2 strokes, then 600singles(??)/400 4 strokes introduced........then 650 twins (fa cost)
Production races into 600/1000 superstock
Unlimited "stockers" into superbike
Now superstock1000 knocking on door of lap records!!!!
How long before the electric bikes are doing 4/6 laps n looking at lap records?? (spreading to Ulster/North West.......GP/SuperBike)



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[Wideboy]

I'd like to see them bring back more smaller classes, maybe two lightweights a week.

[ogden]

They don't change fronts, and as andynobheadsmith said all they change is the fork internals. The stockers are literally stock plus 500-750 quid.

And the rest.

A mate of mine was on a stocker this year. Or would have been, anyway, if he'd not thrown it down the road during Friday practice*. 500-700 quid wouldn't even get you started.

He threw the thick end of three grand at Maxton for the rear shock and front fork internals alone. Chuck in a decent race exhaust, a quickshifter, a full set of painted bodywork, and a race dash, and you're five grand down before you've bought an extra set of wheels, all your tyres, gone through the ball-ache of lockwiring everything and thrown it at someone to get the fuelling sorted.

The stockers are significantly cheaper than the superbikes, but with a budget of 750 quid you're unlikely to get much past qualifying.

* http://champ.org.uk/Racing/blog1.php/oops-1 - worth checking out for the photos alone.

[Matt-EUC]

Gav could qualify on a stock 600RR in the superbike class.


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[ogden]

How long before the electric bikes are doing 4/6 laps n looking at lap records?? (spreading to Ulster/North West.......GP/SuperBike)


Already happening. Darvill are entering an electric bike in this year's Southern 100.

http://darvillracing.co.uk/world-first/

[Wideboy]

technically you can buy a bike from the showroom and by removing a few things, lockwiring stuff ect and following race regulations you can enter a superstocker with spending literally nothing.

but like all classes you won't get anywhere without spending money, a few of the back markers this year weren't running anything remotely special this year.

[maviczap]

I'd like to see them bring back more smaller classes, maybe two lightweights a week.

Yes, the lightweight TT was a good watch on the TV, as were the sidecars