Crashed GSX-R750

[Stenno]

So I did a track day on Wednesday at Brands Hatch and had a fantastic morning riding in the sun and chatting to strangers there, as I was on my lonesome!

Then after lunch, coming round Clark Curve, just as I hit the straight, some numpty on a red Honda came up my inside, bumped into me and then bashed my right bar sending me tumbling.

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=1195&pictureid=7647

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=1195&pictureid=7648

He came and appologised afterwards, once he heard the circuit was looking into the CCTV. Though I didn't quite expect that to be followed up with 'dunno whose fault it was?' I think I was too dumbfounded by his ignorance to get angry.

So now I'm stuck with a wreck of a bike. Tank, exhaust, rear sub frame and plastic are ruined and I've yet to check the forks etc.

Need to weigh up fixing it up, or seeing how much I can get for it as is, if anything!

The way I feel at the moment, I'm not sure if I wanna go back on track! I know I'm just down but I'm aching all over and feel like a man three times my age!

Any advice appreciated.

:smt064

[Nobbylad]

That sucks big time mate. Hope things get sorted.

[dkid]

Sorry to hear this mate. At least you walked away. Any kind of track day insurance policy in place or were you riding at your own risk? Btw, not all red Honda owners are cnuts ;)

[Dunn-y]

That sucks :(

[NTECUK]

That is sticking.
Hop your ok

[Foot]

Keep on looking at this and it makes me die a little inside, glad you're okay. A month from now you'll be waiting for your next track day!

[Red Herring]

Tough luck mate. Being taken out by a complete stranger is relatively rare (as opposed to someone you may not know but have been busy exchanging paint with for the past three laps...). If it helps any the onus is always on the overtaking rider to stay clear so who ever was behind going into the corner should by rights be putting their hand in their pocket, unfortunately not everybody does the right thing and your chances of making them are pretty slim.

[maviczap]

Tough luck mate. Being taken out by a complete stranger is relatively rare (as opposed to someone you may not know but have been busy exchanging paint with for the past three laps...). If it helps any the onus is always on the overtaking rider to stay clear so who ever was behind going into the corner should by rights be putting their hand in their pocket, unfortunately not everybody does the right thing and your chances of making them are pretty slim.

Agreed, I bet the guy who took you out thought he is the next Marquez or Pedrosa. :smt011

Last track day I went on we had 2 guys undertaking at the 'bombhole' at Snetterton on the first lap of the novices group, pizzed me off because they clearly should have been in the inters group. :smt011:smt011

Rough luck, at least you're in one piece and not in hospital

[SIII]

Worst nightmare bud, hurts to look at those pictures :(

Only thing that spoiled my track day was a pair of d*ckheads that clearly should have been in inters group passing folks up the inside far too quickly. Got passed on the inside going into the gooseneck, scared the beejeesus outta me!

Not sure why someone quick would want to have to swerve around all the slows in novice? Maybe inters is full so they go in novice? Marshalls / instructors should spot these d*cks and either kick them off or move them up.

[maviczap]

Not sure why someone quick would want to have to swerve around all the slows in novice? Maybe inters is full so they go in novice? Marshalls / instructors should spot these d*cks and either kick them off or move them up.

Because they have small willy's :cool:

Normally they get black flagged & moved up a group, dependent on how full the group is

[Red Herring]

One of the reasons I stopped going with Focused Events was because they just wanted to sell track space regardless of how the groups were working out, and it was common practice for people to get put into the wrong group for their ability. I tried to reason with them but eventually voted with my feet.

[Redmist]

Sadly it seems to be happening more and more, we all make mistakes at times but some people are obviously treating it as a race track quite literally. I found racing was actually safer than a track day as you are in a group of similar bikes. On trackdays the range of bikes in any groups creates havoc. I'd be more than happy to see some kind of license scheme that trackday operators can manage which would punish those who continuously leave no margin for error on a trackday. No idea how it could work but something needs to happen to cut out those who have no respect for other peoples fun and equipment.

[Ben.tattooer]

Looks like a fighter project if ever I saw one! If you err need err someone to umm take it away for you just ask mate, I won't even charge you!

[joe_f59]

New Chinese fairing (pb magazine rates one particular company) £450
2nd hand rear subframe £100?
2nd hand tank £120?
Even if the forks are dead you can take the opportunity to get maybe k6-7 gsxr 1000 forks in there which Will be a substantial upgrade over what may well have been stock forks? (worst part of this stunning bike) £450
Could do it for £1100 maybe :(
Just trying to help strategise

[Red Herring]

I'm not sure I should really be even suggesting this as I am rather of the view that we all go on track days knowing this sort of thing might happen and we undermine personal responsibility enough as it is, however......

Depending on who the organizer was I very much suspect you would have been given a safety briefing at the beginning of the day. This briefing probably included something along the lines that they do not want to see anybody passing within 6 foot or similar of another bike when overtaking, and definitely not diving up the inside into corners? If this was the case (and assuming this is what actually happened) and you can get hold of either the circuit CCTV or some credible witnesses who support that that is what the other rider did, there is nothing to stop you holding him responsible for the damage and ultimately taking it all the way to a civil court if that is what it takes. The bottom line is you were both undertaking an activity with agreed guidelines and he stepped outside of them and as a result you have a significant loss.

Like I said I don't necessarily like this approach or way of thinking, but I guess I might just be typing what a lot of people might be wondering...?

[dkid]

I'm not sure I should really be even suggesting this as I am rather of the view that we all go on track days knowing this sort of thing might happen and we undermine personal responsibility enough as it is, however......

Depending on who the organizer was I very much suspect you would have been given a safety briefing at the beginning of the day. This briefing probably included something along the lines that they do not want to see anybody passing within 6 foot or similar of another bike when overtaking, and definitely not diving up the inside into corners? If this was the case (and assuming this is what actually happened) and you can get hold of either the circuit CCTV or some credible witnesses who support that that is what the other rider did, there is nothing to stop you holding him responsible for the damage and ultimately taking it all the way to a civil court if that is what it takes. The bottom line is you were both undertaking an activity with agreed guidelines and he stepped outside of them and as a result you have a significant loss.

Like I said I don't necessarily like this approach or way of thinking, but I guess I might just be typing what a lot of people might be wondering...?


Interesting line of thought. It's likely that by agreeing to the event holders terms and conditions when you sign up I would imagine part if this means you agree to abide by their Codes of conduct/guidelines etc.

There's a fair chance that there is a piece of paper somewhere containing all kinds of small print with this guys signature on it. Hopefully the event organisers keep these kind of records.



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[L3nny]

This is the reason I'm very reluctant to take my new Fireblade onto the track, the last track day I did was on the VFR so I wasn't very fast. Lost count of the amount of times I was forced to stand the bike up by idiots blatting up the inside of me. In the end I just ignored the racing line and left plenty of space either side of me for said idiots.
It makes me wonder why they make you take your mirrors off, if I saw a bike trying to get past I'd just slow down and let them past on a straight rather than making them try a move that coule result in an accident.

[Skip]

On the flipside to this (full sympathy with the OP however) I did a trackday with No Limits last Monday evening and the fast/inters group were all very courteous considering my Hornet was comically slow in a straight line compared to them - yes they were diving up the inside but nothing dangerous - in fact as my first experience of the fast group I was pleasantly surprised and will probably book myself in there again...

[Wideboy]

Sadly it seems to be happening more and more, we all make mistakes at times but some people are obviously treating it as a race track quite literally. I found racing was actually safer than a track day as you are in a group of similar bikes. On trackdays the range of bikes in any groups creates havoc. I'd be more than happy to see some kind of license scheme that trackday operators can manage which would punish those who continuously leave no margin for error on a trackday. No idea how it could work but something needs to happen to cut out those who have no respect for other peoples fun and equipment.

+1 to that. Last TD I did was rockingham back in April, first hot sunny day of the year really and the event was full of last minute fools booked into the wrong groups just to get track time. I was in inters, I like to think of myself as fairly average as I overtake a few people but I constantly had people coming up my inside. When I was about to tip in to brook's I had one guy come up the inside so I flicked it back the other way and ended up on the grass as I got pushed out by 2 others (one of which was my mate). Same thing happened twice on the chicane at the end of the pit straight which at the time was under a permanent yellow flag as its a bottle neck, second one I saw but the first I ended up grass tracking at roughly 100mph. Although I'm fairly up for a laugh and usually laugh things off it eventually got to me and I reported it, and nothing was done. The entire day had been like it and I packed up one session early. I've never done a TD that had been that bad.

Hard luck mate but it seems that its getting way too common these days.

[STRAMASHER]

So I did a track day on Wednesday at Brands Hatch and had a fantastic morning riding in the sun and chatting to strangers there, as I was on my lonesome!

Then after lunch, coming round Clark Curve, just as I hit the straight, some numpty on a red Honda came up my inside, bumped into me and then bashed my right bar sending me tumbling.

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=1195&pictureid=7647

http://forums.sv650.org/picture.php?albumid=1195&pictureid=7648

He came and appologised afterwards, once he heard the circuit was looking into the CCTV. Though I didn't quite expect that to be followed up with 'dunno whose fault it was?' I think I was too dumbfounded by his ignorance to get angry.

So now I'm stuck with a wreck of a bike. Tank, exhaust, rear sub frame and plastic are ruined and I've yet to check the forks etc.

Need to weigh up fixing it up, or seeing how much I can get for it as is, if anything!

The way I feel at the moment, I'm not sure if I wanna go back on track! I know I'm just down but I'm aching all over and feel like a man three times my age!

Any advice appreciated.

:smt064

Back in the day this would be picked up in a hired van and thrown in a ditch. Or turned into a track bike with a daylight MOT from a "sympathetic" garage.

What a scumbag. The fact he bumped you, he should be doing the right thing. ie Come to some sort of arrangement.

Good luck.:-(

[millemille]

What's the score with the transponder?

[Skip]

What's the score with the transponder?

I am guessing it was a "Chrono Day" where they move people around based on lap times - Focused Events have been doing it for a while. Never spoken to anyone who has been on one though.

http://www.focusedevents.com/chrono-days-bike.asp

[Red Herring]

Chrono days were something FE introduced to try and counter exactly the problem I mentioned, ie: their habit of throwing people of different abilities into the same groups. In theory they are supposed to move people into groups of similar lap times, provided of course you have survived long enough to post some times..... The other issues are once you introduce lap times there are some who then feel it's important to get a good one, and push themselves harder as a result with obvious consequences, second splitting people on lap times isn't necessarily going to solve many of the issues as you can get someone on a big sports bike who makes his lap time on the straights, then weaves all over the place in the bends causing havoc all around him!

[The Idle Biker]

One of the reasons I stopped going with Focused Events was because they just wanted to sell track space regardless of how the groups were working out, and it was common practice for people to get put into the wrong group for their ability. I tried to reason with them but eventually voted with my feet.

I don't believe it........I agree with you. :smt023

[The Idle Biker]

PS: Stenno unlucky dude. Not nice to hear.