Finally!

[Red Herring]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798103/you-not-argentina-jeremy-gear-presenter-clarkson-gets-speeding-points-30-years.html


I take back everything I've ever said against them, they do have a use after all!

Should have left his spare Porsche number plate on.....

[Sir Trev]

That beard does NOT suit him.

[Specialone]

Hardly crime of the century, better driving record than most of the public, even more so that he's a motoring journo.

All the haters are just jumping on the bandwagon because it's him, guns don't kill people, rappers do.

[kaivalagi]

Nothing any different to what I see when ever on the roads doing long distance, atleast Clarkson isn't a hypocrite, he stands by all he has said so far about speed cameras...love or hate him I think he has it right in this case

Isn't it about time the multi-lane roads had their NSL increased...would be nice if the M6/M1 etc had high speed sections too :)

[timwilky]

No sympathy with JC. I got unfairly done, why shouldn't a celeb. Still I would have qualified for a course. I just wasn't offered one. TBH. I would have loved to have done one. Just to shoot down the prigs that think speed kills.

No inappropriate speed might. Breaking an abatory limit does'nt.

I have done jail speed with the police along side me. They waved me goodbye when I had to leave them. But I established what they were willing to play with. I match their speed.They go a bit faster. I match that and they go a bit faster etc. 20 in fog can be down right dangerous. But speed camera will never trigger.

[Wideboy]

Bet those "protesters" won't get done for criminal damage.

Why doesn't someone grow a back bone and tell Argentina to go **** themselves.

[Sid Squid]

I find it hard to criticise Clarkson for something you lot do every time you get on your bikes.
Obviously I never do, but it's a quite commonly committed naughty.

[steady2wheels]

Meh, I love Jeremy Clarkson for the pure fact he offends easily offended people that probably need offending

[Matt-EUC]

Meh, I love Jeremy Clarkson for the pure fact he offends easily offended people that probably need offending


Massive +1

[shiftin_gear98]

If we were all the same the world would be quite boring.
Everyone needs a bit of Clarkson. :driving:

[yorkie_chris]

"Amy Aeron-Thomas, executive director of RoadPeace, a charity for crash victims, said his comments were ‘absolutely shocking’."

Who asked your f*cking opinion on it, patronising yoghurt knitting wazzock...

[Matt-EUC]

Please explain how one would knit a yoghurt?

[NTECUK]

Unlucky really.
But it's not really that news worthy

[kaivalagi]

Please explain how one would knit a yoghurt?

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Yoghurt%20Knitter

I think this use there lol:
"That guy is a real yoghurt knitter. He became an associate member of the mile high club when he took one off the wrist in the toilet of a jumbo."

[Bibio]

"Amy Aeron-Thomas, executive director of RoadPeace, a charity for crash victims, said his comments were ‘absolutely shocking’."

Who asked your f*cking opinion on it, patronising yoghurt knitting wazzock...



i agree but will add she is just another posh bitch making her wages/lifestyle out of charity.

30 years and only one speeding offence. well done Clarkson. to me that just shows how much of a good and alert driver he is :driving:

[L3nny]

He is correct though, 82 in a 60 is nothing, and noboddy did indeed die. He's a competent driver, he was in a car that's barely ticking over at that speed. I don't know the road myself but it's not unusual for scamera vans to be present on the parts where it is safe to break the limit rather than the places where it isn't.

[Bibio]

yup why do they put the scamera vans on straight bits of road where its possible to safely overtake the 40mph brigade. but no, you either run the risk of getting a ticket overtaking them or you just have to sit behind and get frustrated.

if they want to improve road safety then get the arzholes off the roads by introducing 10-5-2-1 year compulsery resit of tests.

up to 60 years old then you sit a test every 10 years after passing your initial test.
65 years old then its another test every 5years till 75 years old
77 years old then its tests every 2 years till you get to 83 years old
83+ years old then its a test every year.

this would remove a looot of the drivers that barley scraped threw their test and have never advanced afterwords, who in my mind are the most dangerous drivers on the road.

they could introduce an advanced test where its very very strict but allows you to drive up to 80 on NSL and 90 on MW.

but no they would rather collect a revenue instead. makes you wonder if they really are interested in safety or collecting money for the coffers.

why is the money collected not used to improve the roads that are affected?
what and where is the money collected being spent?

[Red Herring]

Gosh that's a lot of questions. They put the cameras on the straight bits because that is where most people go quickly, and the bottom line is they want to make it worth their while. Besides, incompetent drivers go fast on the straight bits, half decent drivers go quickly on the interesting bits as well. At least this way there is half a chance they'll get the right people.....

If you want to bring in age related re-testing don't forget to include the 17-24 year old group. Personally I think if we spent a little more time investing in their continued development then the vast majority of the problems we have after that would be significantly reduced.

[kaivalagi]

I'd say for the oldies if there was just the hazard perception test every 5 years after retirement it would ensure that the driver has decent enough reaction times to not have an accident at every possible moment...get 2 attempts maybe....

Not sure there's anyway to stop the 40mph brigade...I have < 30 yr old collegues who fit that category :(

[Bibio]

one of my gripes is that new drivers are taught to pass a test and not taught to drive properly.

they put the scamera vans on straights for more chance of collect revenue its that simple. if they were there to slow people down then why do some of them hide or make it difficult to see them? entrapment used to be part of the law it now seems that the law can do what it likes and stuff the public's rights.

surly the whole point in having a scamera van at the side of the road is to make awareness not trap people.

anyway enough ranting from me as it just gets me mad as it wont be long till i have points on my clean licence i have had for 20+ years all for the sake of collecting a stealth tax.

[Spank86]

If you want to bring in age related re-testing don't forget to include the 17-24 year old group.

Thats a silly suggestion.

Either make the initial test harder for those at that age or don't bother.

If you can pass the test at 17 you can pass it at 18. Just because they choose to drive like a lunatic doesn't mean they don't know how to pass the test, older drivers on the other hand have declining skills and failing memories.


Personally I think if we spent a little more time investing in their continued development then the vast majority of the problems we have after that would be significantly reduced.
not what bit I do agree with... Well sort of. I don't want to have to do it myself.

[Red Herring]

Thats a silly suggestion.

Either make the initial test harder for those at that age or don't bother.

If you can pass the test at 17 you can pass it at 18. Just because they choose to drive like a lunatic doesn't mean they don't know how to pass the test, older drivers on the other hand have declining skills and failing memories.


When you first learn to drive, aged 17, the vast majority of what you learn is how to control the car plus the basic rules of the road. To try and ask a new driver to learn anything in more depth would result in overload.

Once they have a years driving experience behind them you generally find they are far more able to understand and absorb some of the more useful aspects of advanced driving.

At the moment putting yourself forward for further training is voluntary. Those that do are significantly less likely to be involved in a crash and generally find they enjoy their driving/riding more. I don't think that is "silly", but then again it's only my view.

[Red ones]

He is correct though, 82 in a 60 is nothing.


That's not technically true. 82 in a 60 is 36% over the limit. Are we happy to accept that 96 on a motorway us close enough to not worry?
I'd happily sell you my SV if you paid 36% over the market rate for it.

The 82mpg is what he admitted to in the press, what was it really? The man is known to exaggerate and be economic with the truth (the Porsche in Argentina had the right plates on it, didn't it. Except in the photos where it had the plates of a different car).

[Spank86]

When you first learn to drive, aged 17, the vast majority of what you learn is how to control the car plus the basic rules of the road. To try and ask a new driver to learn anything in more depth would result in overload.

Once they have a years driving experience behind them you generally find they are far more able to understand and absorb some of the more useful aspects of advanced driving.

At the moment putting yourself forward for further training is voluntary. Those that do are significantly less likely to be involved in a crash and generally find they enjoy their driving/riding more. I don't think that is "silly", but then again it's only my view.

further training is a good idea.

Re testing is pointless. I could have sat a test once a month from 17-22 it wouldnt have made me any less of a retard behind the wheel.

[L3nny]

[QUOTE=Red ones;2985603]Are we happy to accept that 96 on a motorway us close enough to not worry?[QUOTE]

On a clear motorway in good weather, definitely.

[Red Herring]

further training is a good idea.

Re testing is pointless. I could have sat a test once a month from 17-22 it wouldnt have made me any less of a retard behind the wheel.

I guess there are always exceptions.

So if further training is a good idea how do you propose to ensure people actually take it and actually give it some attention if you're not going to test them?

[Spank86]

So if further training is a good idea how do you propose to ensure people actually take it and actually give it some attention if you're not going to test them?
Sorry, perhaps I should have been clearer.

Re testing the same test is pointless.

The driving test is what it is, its a basic level that needs to be met, If you have advanced training you'd need an advanced test at the end not simply the same one like a re-testing of older drivers could be.

[kaivalagi]

If the insurance industry were to actually give a decent discount for advanced drivers it might help get the youngsters to learn better road craft? God knows the amount a new young driver needs to spend on a policy is stupidly high, so there is surely a decent amount of discount possible for an 18yr old advanced driver?

[littleoldman2]

I know I'm not young but I did ask my insurance co last year what the discount would be, answer 69p. One can only draw the conclusion from this that the insurance industry see no benefit (for me anyway) and these boys analyse every little detail.

[Red Herring]

I ought to know the answer to that given my son passed his IAM bike test when he was 18. He was on a DRZ400 at the time paying about £350 a year, and then he transferred it to a 600 Hornet mid term for an extra £120 - so that makes about £600 a year? Is that a lot or about average for an 18 year old on a 600?

[Tomor]

Average.

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[Tomor]

I am 21 and still pay about 600(when renewal comes) for a 675. More expensive than an sv and the quickshifter doesn't help, but I get next to nothing for having done my IAM

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[Red Herring]

..... but I get next to nothing for having done my IAM


Apart from that lovely warm feeling inside that you get from knowing what you are doing.....:cool:

[NTECUK]

I am 21 and still pay about 600(when renewal comes) for a 675. More expensive than an sv and the quickshifter doesn't help, but I get next to nothing for having done my IAM

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I'm paying £300 for the Daytona with the arrow, QS. But none of the anti theft (tracker and tag) makes it much cheaper.

[Tomor]

Are you are also 21? ;)

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[NTECUK]

Nope 52 so that's why you get a discount.
Problem is your to FN old to use it like when you were 21!
If you drop comuting this helps

[Corny Gizmo]

Im 22 and paid £350 for the year on the 99" SV (Last year, first year on a big bike)
Now on the new SV is £550 for the year with one years no claims. (Second year on big bikes) I put the increase down to the fact the bike holds more value.

Both are/were tpft policies.

So your sons sounds about right

[NTECUK]

Im 22 and paid £350 for the year on the 99" SV (Last year, first year on a big bike)
Now on the new SV is £550 for the year with one years no claims. (Second year on big bikes) I put the increase down to the fact the bike holds more value.

Both are/were tpft policies.

So your sons sounds about right

When you are an old git theirs often nowt tween a comp and TPFF policy.
Is there when you are a 20 something.

[Corny Gizmo]

Yeah about £1200 for fully comp for me :(

Obviously I would like to go fully comp with a brand new bike but couldnt afford that

[steady2wheels]

24 paid £95 to insure my sv... Although if i ever crash they will probably deny knowing me

[Tomor]

Mine is fully comp as I don't fancy loosing a chunk of money if I stick it in a tree. Not that I will as I am a riding God.

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[SvNewbie]

Or if you decide to do a spot of deer culling.

[Tomor]

Or that.

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