DAS or mods

[aarond]

Hi,
My little brother is looking to get into bikes.

I did my test before all the new stuff so I have no clue about it.

A long time ago he did a CBT and had a moped but after he turned 17 got a car and gave up on the bikes.

He wants to get back into it and his decision is:

Wait until March and do DAS as he will be 24 then

Or

Start now doing the Modules? If doing the modules its a 125 then a restricted bike? Would it be worth purchasing the restricted or do you need a set time on the 125?


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[jambo]

He may as well do his CBT and motorcycle theory test now. However, in the past licences with restrictions automatically became full power. This is no longer the case. Take the DAS in March or he essentially had to pay to do some of the tests again.

Jambo

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[aarond]

So would you recommend a 125 in the interim?


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[Mauler]

So would you recommend a 125 in the interim?


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I would, it allows you to clock up X months of riding experience before taking the two Mods.

[aarond]

Next question... Cheap but reliable 125 I think if my memory is correct Honda?


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[Corny Gizmo]

Yup get CBT redone and buy a cheap and cheerlful 125 to get some experience on, then in march do full DAS.

Thats essentially what I did, 1.5 years on a 125, 2 lessons on a cb500 and 2 modules later Im riding a restricted SV650s... until June when I get to do it all again and rip the restrictor plate out

[Nutsinatin]

CBT now so he gets some road experience then DAS in March so he can move onto a bigger bike when he's ready. The Honda CBF 125 is both reliable and durable (my old one is up to seven spills and the biggest repair was a replacement set of handlebars at £30) cheap to run and pretty economical. The Yamaha YBR is also a reasonable 125 although it is 1BHP (at 10BHP) down on the Honda (11BHP) which is noticeable when you have so little to start with but can be found much cheaper. The older carbed models have more power.

[timwilky]

my opinion for what it is worth.

Tell him to get his theory done and then spend his time between now/March saving for a decent bike and doing the research for a good local school.

Once he turns 24, book a proper course, it will include his cbt, DAS instruction and test. I see little point in buying/insuring/riding a gutless 125 for 3 months. Yes, it will give him road experience, but as he already has near on 7 years behind the wheel and previous ped time he should have more road awareness than most new riders. No time to develop bad habits that take more time/effort to correct etc.

[Heorot]

Tim, I disagree. I was driving for over 40 years before I took up biking. The 2 years on the 125 were invaluable and I discovered that car driving will not adequately prepare you for riding a big bike. I have a friend that took the route that you propose and he has had several spills, two serious, that were caused in part by his inexperience in bike riding.

[Foot]

Tim, I disagree. I was driving for over 40 years before I took up biking. The 2 years on the 125 were invaluable and I discovered that car driving will not adequately prepare you for riding a big bike. I have a friend that took the route that you propose and he has had several spills, two serious, that were caused in part by his inexperience in bike riding.

+1.
You can never have too much experience.
I think he should get a 125 and just learn how to ride it (including road craft), then when he's got some experience he can upgrade and then start learning how to ride skilfully.

I don't know what the new system is, but it sounds to me it would be best to do a CBT then wait out for the DAS. Everything I've read suggests the modules are unneccessarily complicated and expensive.
IMO he should slowly build up engine power, never jump ahead.

[timwilky]

Tim, I disagree. I was driving for over 40 years before I took up biking. The 2 years on the 125 were invaluable and I discovered that car driving will not adequately prepare you for riding a big bike. I have a friend that took the route that you propose and he has had several spills, two serious, that were caused in part by his inexperience in bike riding.

I think we can all quote friends

I have one who from never having ridden, did her DAS and 3 days later bought herself an R1 which she rode for 3 years

Despite all the prophets of gloom. She never dropped it. Her husband on passing his DAS bought an R6 and put it into a wall his first ride out with me.

[Foot]

I think we can all quote friends

I have one who from never having ridden, did her DAS and 3 days later bought herself an R1 which she rode for 3 years

Despite all the prophets of gloom. She never dropped it. Her husband on passing his DAS bought an R6 and put it into a wall his first ride out with me.

Well then I guess thats down to mentality when on the bike or possibly a bit of luck (or bad luck, whichever way). Nonetheless, I don't think starting small and working your way up, regardless of what experience you have in a car, can be ill-advised.

[Heorot]

Amen to that. I used almost my full 2 years on my CBT (almost because I blew up the engine on my CG125), then had a few lessons on a 600 to remove bad habits and learn how to pass the test before doing the DAS with one week to spare.

[aarond]

I think we can all quote friends

I have one who from never having ridden, did her DAS and 3 days later bought herself an R1 which she rode for 3 years

Despite all the prophets of gloom. She never dropped it. Her husband on passing his DAS bought an R6 and put it into a wall his first ride out with me.



I believe he plans to do as Tim suggested and I can't criticise.i would probably do the same, as much as getting a 125 for the interim is good in theory for road awareness it also has down sides.

Restricted SV to TL for me so I can't say anything about building up power 😂




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[SvNewbie]

Once he turns 24, book a proper course, it will include his cbt, DAS instruction and test. I see little point in buying/insuring/riding a gutless 125 for 3 months.

For what it's worth I agree with what you've said and it was more or less the route I took.

I'd probably be a better rider had I spent a few years on a 125, but then a few more years on the SV and I'll also be a better rider so that is a slightly pointless argument.

One thing which I done is to do the CBT on its own in advance. Then you can rent a 125cc bike for a couple of weeks and get plenty of practice in (much cheaper than ownership). On the first day of DAS I was out with a guy who had been riding 125cc bikes for years and I found I had less difficulty riding 'correctly' due to not having so much time to form bad habits, but still had no issues with basic bike control (gears / clutch etc).