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fizzwheel
08-05-15, 07:44 PM
Now I dont normally go in for this sort of thing, but I am very puzzled today about something...
Based on the sheer amount of bitching and complaining on my facebook feed. If I believed what I am seeing then I would conclude that nobody voted conservative at all, which is a completely different point of view to the actual declared Election result.
I've seen posts calling for Electoral reform and that we must have PR now. Yet when we had that referendum in 2011 nobody seemed to vote for it.
PR by some people is seem as some kind of Golden Calf, yet I found an article on a website that even if we had PR, we would still have had a Conservative win, albeit with a reduced number of seats and probably not enough to form a majority government.
http://i100.independent.co.uk/article/heres-how-the-election-results-would-look-under-a-proportional-voting-system--gJenQmaW2gW
The Scotts when they had their referundum a while back decided they wanted to stay as part of the UK, yet now here we are where there is a massive swing to towards the SNP.
I think there is a reason why I am not into politics...
Discuss...
Specialone
08-05-15, 07:54 PM
I'm sick to death of young people having full on rants about the torys getting back in for another term yet most of them hadn't even left school when they got in 5 years ago and certainly had nothing impact them from the last labour term.
I'm a Tory voter and bloody proud of it.
andrewsmith
08-05-15, 07:55 PM
Fizz you wanting to lock a thread?
Popcorn at the ready.
I'll start, the SNP in Scotland shows the disillusionment with the main parties. I think they were upset with Labour they pretty much offended everyone in minutes
fizzwheel
08-05-15, 07:56 PM
Its not young people on my facebook feed ranting, its my mates who are my age...
I get why the Scots voted why they did, but why did they just vote yes in the referdum about leaving the UK and have done with it then. I guess the labour response polarised people to vote SNP this time ?
Also I think alot of people voted tactically, where they voted Conservative rather than labour / lib dem as they didnt want another coalition government with Con / Lib Dem again, or didnt want a Labour / SNP Coalition...
andrewsmith
08-05-15, 08:10 PM
Hahaha
They did hence why the strongholds all went
Spank86
08-05-15, 08:20 PM
5 years ago I said anyone who liked the government would move from lib dem to conservative and anyone who didn't would move from lib dem to labour, or as it turned out UKIP.
Lib dems also lost the protest vote when they became part of the government.
Democracy meant conservatives won and there's been a fair bit of whinging, apparently they're going to dismantle the NHS, as if there hadn't been conservative governments since it was founded or something.
fizzwheel
08-05-15, 08:27 PM
Now the NHS
I read the party policies / manifesto link on the BBC website
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/manifesto-guide
Conservative Manifesto says = £8bn increase in spending in NHS
Labour Manifesto says = £2.5bn increase in spending
OK so the Conservatives dont say where this money is coming from, but I keep reading about how the conservative government will wreck the NHS and that Labour would have been better / invested more money in it.
Or am I reading that wrong ?
i think one of the man reasons the SNP got so many votes is that there was no propaganda and scaremongering blasted at them from every angle unlike the referendum.
the Tories got the votes in England as they were the only 'safe' bet due to the talk of a coalition between the SNP and Labour. the last thing that the English want is the Scots dictating to them. now what we have is a big fek off huge divide and an even more prominent border.
i'm not trying to be funny but the English, Welsh, Irish and Scots are all very very proud people with a huge sense of nationalism on all sides and what ever one does always leaves a bitter taste in the mouth of the other. it really is a shame as i personally love the UK and all the diversity of the people within it but being a Scot i'm always going to side with my fellow kinsman just like the Englishmen, Welshmen and Irishmen. we are all as bad as each other so no wonder there is a rift developing between us.
times are hard and its only going to get harder and i think each of us are looking for the best deal.
nutzboutbikes
08-05-15, 08:34 PM
I get why the Scots voted why they did, but why did they just vote yes in the referdum about leaving the UK and have done with it then. I guess the labour response polarised people to vote SNP this time?
I think the Scots wanted to stay part of the UK mainly because they knew they would be financially better off, they have now voted for the SNP in vast numbers to get a voice in Westminster, Labour no longer give them a voice so they are toast this also applies to the "working class" of this country. I cant say I am sad to see the back of Miliband, Balls or the Labour party.
I think the Scots wanted to stay part of the UK mainly because they knew they would be financially better off, they have now voted for the SNP in vast numbers to get a voice in Westminster, Labour no longer give them a voice so they are toast this also applies to the "working class" of this country. I cant say I am sad to the back of Miliband, Balls or the Labour party.
actually no. it was proven that the Scots would stay and or be slightly better off being independent. what the deciding factor was all the propaganda about the banks leaving and people loosing their jobs due to retailers saying that they would leave etc.etc. one of the biggest was the oil revenue being at a slump price but surprise surprise the price of oil is to rocket in the next year.
but your right in that the Scots are voting SNP to have a bigger voice in Westminster (not that it will help).
nutzboutbikes
08-05-15, 08:54 PM
the main thing is the Union is still together for the mean time, I think it would be a shame if Scotland leave the UK.
Spank86
08-05-15, 08:58 PM
Or am I reading that wrong ?
nope, pretty much bang on.
That's the crazy thing.
As for where it's coming from, it's money that would otherwise be reducing the deficit.
When you're already running a deficit I don't see how the question of where money is coming from even arises, where did the deficit money come from... borrowing.
actually no. it was proven that the Scots would stay and or be slightly better off being independent.
That was short term and based on the price of oil stating high and even rising.
Everyone knows the price of oil never falls.
Apart from now of course.
Thing is the Scots would only be better off anyway because of the welsh and northern Irish and how much they get subsidized. What they were planning was essentially to leave England holding the baby, buggering off with as few costs as possible, hoping the rest of the Uk would provide their defense and leave us subsiding the less productive parts of the UK alone. Bit selfish really, and you wonder why there's a sudden thought over the border that the SNP is bad, nobody really cared before.
or cut public spending on other services. better get a big broom out folks as you will be cleaning your own streets. dont worry though if you do catch a disease doing so you will always know that the NHS is there to save you.
where we need to save money is cutting the military presence in other country's but no politician in their right mind would even consider bringing the subject up.
Spank86
08-05-15, 09:10 PM
or cut public spending on other services. better get a big broom out folks as you will be cleaning your own streets. dont worry though if you do catch a disease doing so you will always know that the NHS is there to save you.
where we need to save money is cutting the military presence in other country's but no politician in their right mind would even consider bringing the subject up.
NATO demands we spend at least 2% of GDP on the military. We're pretty close to that and yes we could spend less but then it wouldn't make sense to have all those soldiers. We don't need a big ARMY to defend an island.
carelesschucca
08-05-15, 10:12 PM
Lance, you know what happens to countries that have oil... They end up having weapons of mass destruction, and that's bad... Oh wait, we do have weapons of mass destruction, they live about 35 miles from me.
Lance, if we ever get independence they'd invade within weeks!!!
dont know about weapons of mass destruction but my arzz could be one right now. thats what we will do all eat curry and fart in their general direction (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWBUl7oT9sA).
Living in the East with a traditional Conservative strong hold (4x the second places vote). I think the threat from the SDP and labour might have worked in the Con's favor.
I'd be worried about Edd and Edd running the county.
The labor lot don't mind borrowing a bob or two to get people out of trouble.
i have no love for labour either, in fact if given the choice of either labour or the cons it would vote for the cons. thats why i'm glad we have a choice of someone else.
i do feel sympathy for the cons as every time they get the country up and running again the people are that fed up of them they want a change so vote for labour who then set about destroying all the hard work with their new found wealth then run out of money and borrow to keep the voters happy.
Biker Biggles
09-05-15, 07:26 AM
I predicted this outcome well over a year ago and never changed my mind despite the opinion polls.My reasoning was simple.Labour were clearly going to lose many seats in Scotland with the inexorable rise of the Nationalists.The Libdems were going to be punished by their own "supporters" for getting into bed with the enemy.The only party that would damage the Tory vote could be UKIP in England but I never believed they would achieve seats in a first past the post system.A Tory win was therefore quite possible and if you add in the lacklutre Labour leader,there you have it.
Im not a Tory,just the way I always saw it going.
Spank86
09-05-15, 07:29 AM
labour who then set about destroying all the hard work with their new found wealth then run out of money and borrow to keep the voters happy.
Actually that system would work extremely nicely If only people voted for Labour during recessions and tories during booms instead of the other way round.
It would flatten out the cycle of boom and bust that is practically inevitable with the capitalist system.
maviczap
09-05-15, 08:27 AM
.A Tory win was therefore quite possible and if you add in the lacklutre Labour leader,there you have it.
Im not a Tory,just the way I always saw it going.
I think Labour lost, as soon as Ed beat his brother for the leadership, just on public persona alone.
Clegg suffered the same image problem, as well as being punished for working with Dave & co. Plus the public hadn't forgotten the tuition fees broken promise.
The Tories targeted seats where they were second to the Lib Dems. A shrewd move.
The Tories kept on & on about the deficit left by Labour, some is true, but the world recession was caused by the failure of the sub prime mortgages in the USA, which bit the UK banks arzes. Resulting in the UK economy taking a nose dive.
Gordon Browns deregulation of the banks didn't help here either.
Did the public vote Tory, as Dave & Co have promised the Euro Referendum, so joe public thinks we'll be out of Europe very soon? I'll believe that when I see it.
A Bib says, get a big broom out, as you'll be sweeping your own streets soon. Dave & Co will push on with NHS changes, and I don't believe the £8bn funding will show up, unless its from PFi.
In all my time I've never seen so many homeless folks on the streets and the introduction of food banks, not even in maggie's era.
No care homes for the elderly, no mental health care, fewer Police and private companies running prisons, schools etc etc. Somebody's getting rich out of our taxes. But we can still build nuclear subs, send our soldiers overseas & still give now wealthy countries overseas aid
None of the parties do it for me, only the Liberals had some sort of social conscience it seemed to me :smt009
punyXpress
09-05-15, 09:00 AM
Back in the day, " Balls out " meant giving it the beans - not any more ( thank goodness )
Spank86
09-05-15, 09:34 AM
The Tories kept on & on about the deficit left by Labour, some is true, but the world recession was caused by the failure of the sub prime mortgages in the USA, which bit the UK banks arzes. Resulting in the UK economy taking a nose dive.
It's 100% true.
Some sort of crash was completely predictable, it always happens, always will. Had labour been prudent in the good times and not kept running a deficit and running up our debt we'd have been in a much better position to mitigate the crash (although due to a few other reasons it's so bad they couldn't have done enough) and softened the blow by running up the debt now. When you go into the bad times already mortgaged up the the eyeballs there's nowhere left to go and the market that runs on confidence has no reason to have any and recovery is long and painful.
You dont need a lot of people to vote conservative to win ( first past the post and all that) .
The map looks more like a blue rinse in a salon in Eastbourne
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CEd-00XWgAAgqTn.jpg
A table displaying the number of seats won by each party, dividing by the total number of votes they received (Votes per Seat)
DUP 23,032
SNP 25,972
SDLP 33,269
Conservatives 34,244
Labour 40,290
Sinn Fein 44,058
UUP 57,467
Plaid Cymru 60,564
Lib Dem 301,986
Green 1,157,613
Ukip 3,881,129
If the Tories go ahead with the proposed boundary changes, there will be even more blue on that map next time.
Biker Biggles
09-05-15, 12:30 PM
It's 100% true.
Some sort of crash was completely predictable, it always happens, always will. Had labour been prudent in the good times and not kept running a deficit and running up our debt we'd have been in a much better position to mitigate the crash (although due to a few other reasons it's so bad they couldn't have done enough) and softened the blow by running up the debt now. When you go into the bad times already mortgaged up the the eyeballs there's nowhere left to go and the market that runs on confidence has no reason to have any and recovery is long and painful.
The public net debt,that is the national debt as % of GDP,makes interesting reading over the last 100 years.It went up hugely during WW1 and remained high throughout the 1920s,only falling to "modern" levels just before WW2.Then it shot up again and slowly declned throughout the 50s60s and even the 70s.Modern levels have been lower generally than throughout the first half of the 20th century.
But the last Labour government actually maintained slightly lower levels of national debt than the previous Tory one under both Major and Thatcher until the financial crash of 2007/8.Then it rose sharply as they bailed out the banks
Im no apologist for Blair and Brown,but some of the current governments propaganda about them has been less than honest,if very effective.
maviczap
09-05-15, 12:45 PM
But the last Labour government actually maintained slightly lower levels of national debt than the previous Tory one under both Major and Thatcher until the financial crash of 2007/8.Then it rose sharply as they bailed out the banks
Im no apologist for Blair and Brown,but some of the current governments propaganda about them has been less than honest,if very effective.
Aye, don't believe the spin
ethariel
09-05-15, 12:51 PM
if I was still living up north (not down south where the jobs are) I would have vted SNP but ONLY because the Independance issue has been settled, if it had been a 'vote us in and get independance too' then i really do think that there would be far fewer seat won by SNP, that aside, i really hope the SNP idea of a blanket 40MPH limit in Scotland outside of motorways is readily tossed in the bin, if not kiss goodbye to half the tourisim!
I distinctly remember commuting up the A9 between Edinburgh & Perth. A lovely modern dual carriageway and virtually no traffic coming and going. I could cruise at 85 in perfect safety up that road (in a cage). It's absolutely ludicrous to impose a 40mph limit on roads like that.
I distinctly remember commuting up the A9 between Edinburgh & Perth. A lovely modern dual carriageway and virtually no traffic coming and going. I could cruise at 85 in perfect safety up that road (in a cage). It's absolutely ludicrous to impose a 40mph limit on roads like that.
surly you meant the M90 from Edinburgh to Perth. the A9 goes from Stirling to Perth.
you will also be pleased to know that Edinburgh will be a 20mph thought the whole city with 30 more speed cameras installed.
Spank86
09-05-15, 04:04 PM
The public net debt,that is the national debt as % of GDP,makes interesting reading over the last 100 years.It went up hugely during WW1 and remained high throughout the 1920s,only falling to "modern" levels just before WW2.Then it shot up again and slowly declned throughout the 50s60s and even the 70s.Modern levels have been lower generally than throughout the first half of the 20th century.
otherwise framed as debt only previously ballooned when we fought big ass wars and was traditionally very hard to bring down.
But the last Labour government actually maintained slightly lower levels of national debt than the previous Tory one under both Major and Thatcher until the financial crash of 2007/8.Then it rose sharply as they bailed out the banks
Im no apologist for Blair and Brown,but some of the current governments propaganda about them has been less than honest,if very effective.
The labour government managed to bring down the debt legitimately whilst they were following the previous tory governments spending plans, they then managed a few more years of flogging assets like gold and then it all went to hell. The conservative statements on it may not have been as detailed as they should have been but the gist is accurate.
Biker Biggles
09-05-15, 05:18 PM
I cant be bothered doing a debate about it,but for anyone interested google national debt graphs and look at the long term results.
surly you meant the M90 from Edinburgh to Perth. the A9 goes from Stirling to Perth.
you will also be pleased to know that Edinburgh will be a 20mph thought the whole city with 30 more speed cameras installed.
Yes, Bibio, you're right. M90. Lovely road, apart from the mindless idiots driving Chelsea tractors who don't seem to know what the mirrors are for.
Spank86
09-05-15, 05:41 PM
I cant be bothered doing a debate about it,but for anyone interested google national debt graphs and look at the long term results.
It's not that simple because graphs don't take into account things like one off structural expenditure and the sale of assets, they just show numbers.
Thing is the deficit means that we have to suck it up.
Plain and simple.
Welfare and other bennifits have all been hilighted .
Its a good thing that most of the electorate
(Discounting north of the boarder ) have realised this and not took the soft option .
fizzwheel
09-05-15, 07:07 PM
This is the sort of f**kwittery I am on about
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3074752/Voice-angry-angel-Charlotte-Church-protests-against-Conservative-party-s-general-election-triumph-says-ve-given-reins-bogey-men.html
How can you "protest" against the result of a democratic election... OK you might like the result, but some of the stuff she is coming out with is nuts...
maviczap
09-05-15, 07:12 PM
She's obviously needing some publicity for a new career
timwilky
09-05-15, 07:19 PM
A democratic process too place.
If people don't like it, change the system.
But think carefully before going down that line, otherwise there could be twice as many ukip MPs as SNP ones.
To see what PR can lead to you only need to look as far as Israels's Knesset. There has never been a majority government, they have all been propped up by the ultra religious parties. There are currently 10 parties with representatives out of the 120 sitting ranging from 30 seats (Likud) down to 5 (Meretz). The biggest party, Likud, has only a quarter of the available seats and must make deals with the small parties.
That means that no radical solutions to the country's problems can ever happen.
Spank86
10-05-15, 10:19 AM
It also means the small parties can make large demands of the largest, since without them the large party cannot maintain government. Then you really would have had the SNP pulling labours strings.
andrewsmith
10-05-15, 10:50 AM
And ukip in the tory situation
Spank86
10-05-15, 11:10 AM
true, but UKIP want a referendum on Europe, not an undemocraic extraction, they could have been worked with,
Looking at the results now.
Would it be better to re address the issue of an independent Scotland.
Possibly they may have realised too late it was time to go there own way?
It's not exactly like Scotland really needs the rest of the union?
Spank86
10-05-15, 02:13 PM
Looking at the results now.
Would it be better to re address the issue of an independent Scotland.
Possibly they may have realised too late it was time to go there own way?
It's not exactly like Scotland really needs the rest of the union?
They don't need Wales and Ireland, they might be surprised how much they need england,
Why do they need England???
We use there oil. So if they do need us ,there's room for a deal I'd say
nutzboutbikes
10-05-15, 07:03 PM
From what I remember if they split from the UK they would have to try and find a currency to use as Westminster said they would not be welcome to use the pound which would probably mean joining the Euro talk about jumping out the pan and into the fire!.
Can't they use the same system as Hong-Kong.
Granted it has a whopping 120% of Hong Kong’s GDP in foreign-exchange reserves to be a lender of last resort.
Spank86
11-05-15, 08:07 AM
Why do they need England???
We use there oil. So if they do need us ,there's room for a deal I'd say
We could get cheaper oil elsewhere if they were a separate country with all that entails.
Plus they gain a lot of benefits from that free, open border allowing movement of goods and services. Become two separate countries and a lot of that vanishes. Similar arguments apply to England leaving the EU but in Scotland's case they are stronger.
Two countries in the UK pay more than they receive, scotland and england. England losing more than Scotland but you don't hear us trying to bail on the rest even though that WOULD make financial sense (oil not withstanding, the disposal of wales and northern Ireland would more than make up for the loss of oil especially heading into the future).
Actually the 'apathy party' won the vote.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/the-one-map-that-shows-how-nonvoting-would-have-won-the-general-election-if-it-were-a-party-10238290.html
If the non-voters were a party they would have won the election with 345 seats apparently. Obviously that doesn't mean much and doesn't indicate who they would have voted for.
But what is interesting is why so many people just didn't think to bother to vote. Sick of hearing the same crud from the same parties all the time? 'What's the point' seems to be the majority philosophy we've got at the moment.
Yep buddy,that's what it's all about,divide and conquer,,,,,,,,,all the time we are fighting each other,we are not fighting Them (who ever they are).Not all FOXS live in the woods!!!
nutzboutbikes
11-05-15, 10:56 AM
Yep buddy,that's what it's all about,divide and conquer,,,,,,,,,all the time we are fighting each other,we are not fighting Them (who ever they are).Not all FOXS live in the woods!!!
+1.
nutzboutbikes
11-05-15, 11:02 AM
Actually the 'apathy party' won the vote.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/generalelection/the-one-map-that-shows-how-nonvoting-would-have-won-the-general-election-if-it-were-a-party-10238290.html
If the non-voters were a party they would have won the election with 345 seats apparently. Obviously that doesn't mean much and doesn't indicate who they would have voted for.
But what is interesting is why so many people just didn't think to bother to vote. Sick of hearing the same crud from the same parties all the time? 'What's the point' seems to be the majority philosophy we've got at the moment.
You only have to look at the UKIP vote to see why people don't care about voting, UKIP received 4 million votes and they got one MP!, Conservatives got 13 million votes (I think) and they have over 300 MP's. This system is fixed so that power stays where it is.
ClunkintheUK
11-05-15, 11:44 AM
Back to the original question, "how come the conservatives got voted in despite all the vociferous denunciation". I think there are a number of reasons. Firstly the demonisation of the right. There are a couple of the people on my facebook feed who openly voted conservative. Most of them have only stated this after the result was announced. The only one who stated this beforehand has apparently had a stream of abuse since thursday morning. You could see this effect well before the election and I think a lot of people who were gong to vote conservative decided a while back, but didn't say anything.
Second there is a pre-selection going on. Ok its a stereo type, but a lot of the people who would vote conservative are not going to be on social media. Social media users tend to be younger, where Conservative voters tend to be older. Conservative voters tend to be in professional jobs (lawyer, banker, big business), which don't lend to being on social media much.
Also there is not the same need to campaign for the status quo. It is difficult to have a rally based around the slogan "Things are going OK". Look at the amount of vitriol that was being directed at Labour in the 2005, and they were still voted in.
Spank86
11-05-15, 12:45 PM
But what is interesting is why so many people just didn't think to bother to vote. Sick of hearing the same crud from the same parties all the time? 'What's the point' seems to be the majority philosophy we've got at the moment.
Best turnout since 1997.
You only have to look at the UKIP vote to see why people don't care about voting, UKIP received 4 million votes and they got one MP!, Conservatives got 13 million votes (I think) and they have over 300 MP's. This system is fixed so that power stays where it is.
Thats because you vote for an MP not a party, so if a party loses by 1 vote in a lot of constituencies it will naturally have a lot of votes which don't result in an MP, however a party that only wins constituencies by 1 vote and doesn't get votes in any others will get a lot of seats per vote.
If you were to extrapolate out all the minor parties that only stand in a limited number of seats (to show them standing in all with a similar share of the vote) they would also look like parties with a lot of votes and no representation.
yorkie_chris
11-05-15, 12:57 PM
Back to the original question, "how come the conservatives got voted in despite all the vociferous denunciation". I think there are a number of reasons. Firstly the demonisation of the right. There are a couple of the people on my facebook feed who openly voted conservative. Most of them have only stated this after the result was announced. The only one who stated this beforehand has apparently had a stream of abuse since thursday morning. You could see this effect well before the election and I think a lot of people who were gong to vote conservative decided a while back, but didn't say anything.
Second there is a pre-selection going on. Ok its a stereo type, but a lot of the people who would vote conservative are not going to be on social media. Social media users tend to be younger, where Conservative voters tend to be older. Conservative voters tend to be in professional jobs (lawyer, banker, big business), which don't lend to being on social media much.
I agree with you there.
Large, and rather amusing shock to the whiny, self entitled generation that there are large swathes of the voting public to whom a hash is something containing corned beef.
Rather sad to see parts of my generation spewing forth vociferous hatred. No wonder it creates the backlash effect you describe among otherwise uninterested parties "bloody hell, these smelly hippies are mad, we'd best vote conservative if the left are all like this".
ClunkintheUK
11-05-15, 02:07 PM
I agree with you there.
Large, and rather amusing shock to the whiny, self entitled generation that there are large swathes of the voting public to whom a hash is something containing corned beef.
Rather sad to see parts of my generation spewing forth vociferous hatred. No wonder it creates the backlash effect you describe among otherwise uninterested parties "bloody hell, these smelly hippies are mad, we'd best vote conservative if the left are all like this".
yes, the backlash from some quarters is somewhat counter-productive if you want to get rid of the Tories, Or for that matter whoever is in power, for just this reason.
You only have to look at the UKIP vote to see why people don't care about voting, UKIP received 4 million votes and they got one MP!, Conservatives got 13 million votes (I think) and they have over 300 MP's. This system is fixed so that power stays where it is.
if those 4 million UKIP votes were in Scotland they would be sitting where SNP is right now.
Spank86
11-05-15, 04:12 PM
if those 4 million UKIP votes were in Scotland they would be sitting where SNP is right now.
Yes but don't UKIP contest a lot more constituencies than the SNP?
yes but remember that SNP had no seats in Westminster up until recent years. dont underestimate the power of a political party no matter who they are. all you need is a public distrust of the current situation and the want of change and bingo.
step back only 30 years and ask people in Scotland if they thought that SNP would have an MP sitting in Westminster and they would have fell about laughing.
now add that the UK is swelling in population numbers and a lot of those numbers are from far off lands who have completely different views and attitudes to the native population and its not that hard to realise that if the big boys dont be very very careful they might find themselves in the same situation as the Liberal Democrats are right now. the only saving grace they have is media control and without it i think things would be very very different.
Scotland has always been a test bed of public reaction for rest of the UK. all the major changes such as council tax etc.etc have been tried out in Scotland first and this is due to the fact that the votes dont count if it does go pear shaped.
Spank86
12-05-15, 08:45 AM
yes but remember that SNP had no seats in Westminster up until recent years. dont underestimate the power of a political party no matter who they are. all you need is a public distrust of the current situation and the want of change and bingo.
Oh, I'm not criticising the SNP, I'm just pointing out that the more constituencies a party stands for the more "wasted" votes they'll naturally have. SNP is notable that they won almost all the constituencies they stand in, although if you include every vote over the 1 needed to win in each place they also could be considered to have a lot of "wasted" votes.
You also have to throw into the mix the number of parties to choose from,30 years ago you had the usual 3 + the odd Raving Loony Party or Independent candidate but now the vote can be cast over7,8, or more,ok the population has grown a fair bit,but so has apathy,especially the 25-35 somethings that were promised the world was their oyster and have landed up with nada,and see little hope of an improvement no matter who gets in,and NO I do not believe in equality just fairness!!!
Phew,that's my rant over for today,and breath!!!
Fairness.
This is politics. No such thing.
Well as far as fairness gets in politics!!!
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