View Full Version : Possible next bike ideas yet again
Evening all,
I'm starting to think about getting a different bike, don't get me wrong, the 675 Daytona I have now is fantastic, but the scenery flies by too fast :)
Up until now I've had an SV, a Falco and now the Daytona and I've started thinking about changing the type of bike I use.
It would need to be:
- around 100bhp,
- around 800cc,
- relatively light,
- relatively small,
- relatively upright,
- easy for luggage (think hard panniers),
- have wind protection,
- don't complain when a pillion joins,
- manage to commute (dual carriageway filtering),
- not VFR,
- not 1050,
- not BMW GS lookalikes (Tiger800, Vstrom),
I'm thinking along the lines of BMW (I can't believe i'm saying this) F800ST, KTM Duke 690.
Whilst the BMW ticks all the boxes on paper, I've had a chance to take a 800GT (later model) for a spin and the amount of vibration from the engine has put me off this bike. It has to be said though, that particular BMW was a loaner bike, so probably not the most loved bike in the world. Also the BMW forums advise that the ST isn't as bad...
The KTM looks great, although the lack off fairing worries me (the stick on fly screens don't count!), and I'm slightly worried about it being a single (vibrations again?).
The VFR is not considered because I'd end up going too fast again (I'm looking at you Luckypants!). An ideal bike would be a Triumph Tiger 675 (or a Daytona with straight bars and higher fairing).
I've also seen this recently and wonder if it might be any truth in it...
Triumph Street Triple 800 (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/new-bikes/2015/july/street-triple-800-on-the-way/)
Evening all,
I'm starting to think about getting a different bike, don't get me wrong, the 675 Daytona I have now is fantastic, but the scenery flies by too fast :)
Up until now I've had an SV, a Falco and now the Daytona and I've started thinking about changing the type of bike I use.
It would need to be:
- around 100bhp,
- around 800cc,
- relatively light,
- relatively small,
- relatively upright,
- easy for luggage (think hard panniers),
- have wind protection,
- don't complain when a pillion joins,
- manage to commute (dual carriageway filtering),
- not VFR,
- not 1050,
- not BMW GS lookalikes (Tiger800, Vstrom),
I'm thinking along the lines of BMW (I can't believe i'm saying this) F800ST, KTM Duke 690.
Whilst the BMW ticks all the boxes on paper, I've had a chance to take a 800GT (later model) for a spin and the amount of vibration from the engine has put me off this bike. It has to be said though, that particular BMW was a loaner bike, so probably not the most loved bike in the world. Also the BMW forums advise that the ST isn't as bad...
I'll talk about the ST, seeing as I have one. Buy a later model, ideally 2010 onwards. From this point all the previous issues were solved (bar the wheel bearing issues which is a free recall).
I've had the bike nearly 3 years now and I've enjoyed riding & owning it. I do my own maintenance and on a 10 year old bike everything still comes apart easy! Does the commute easy enough (if I need to), long weekends are a breeze (I ditched the panniers and use a 52L top box), great mpg (60mpg average using it for fun), cheap insurance, great brakes etc etc. I don't notice much vibration at all, getting the bar ends right makes a big difference. As does making sure the engine is well maintained and running a good peak/standard.
around 100bhp, 85BHP
- around 800cc, 798CC, parallel twin, 360 degree firing cycle
- relatively light, 203kg non abs 208kg with abs
- relatively small, its the right size-doesn't feel too big or small
- relatively upright, riding position is good/comfortable. An all day bike
- easy for luggage (think hard panniers), Can get the standard sport panniers or the Givi V35N
- have wind protection, Standard screen is fairly sporty-Givi touring is better.
- don't complain when a pillion joins, not had a pillion on mine but plenty take pillions and the cope well
- manage to commute (dual carriageway filtering), easy, quiet comfortable, great mpg (avg 60mpg easy), practical
carelesschucca
28-01-16, 11:09 PM
The old Street is so close but wind protection and luggage (I tried for months to find hard luggage for it) count it out.
I do find it tours well though, and I'm going back to Malaga two up on it this year.
The newer streets have less two up practicality.
Hmm... is it possible to ride a street triple slowly?
You know, do 40-50 mph and not care about anything else (you've had sports bikes, you'll know what I mean... :smt077)
getting the bar ends right makes a big difference.
What do you mean by getting the bar ends right?
carelesschucca
29-01-16, 09:49 AM
You can pootle on it, and its certainly more comfortable doing those speeds on it than on a sportsbike. For you it wouldn't be that much of a change the bikes very similar to your Daytona but less extreme. I find fairings in any way shape or form bring speeds up.
I know it's slightly outside your box but give the Yamaha Tracer a try. It's a bit big but my lord the engine is like a 675 on steroids. fancy a wheelie sir?
At the moment, The Daytona is amazing, engine, brakes, suspension, fuel/tyre consumption, just the riding position is a bit too focused (duuh!).
Wind protection for a street ;)
http://mt09.motorcycle-talk.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=1372&d=1399833543
carelesschucca
29-01-16, 10:49 AM
I could go that for Spain :-D
MT-09 Tracer or whatever it was before it Fazer 8?
I have a tracer. Did 3k miles around Spain and Germany and it is all day comfy. Screen isnt the best, but it can be fixed. Sounds good, and I have full Givi luggage for it. if you do got for anything Givi, check prices in Italy as it can be a lot cheaper than buying from the UK. great bike, would recommend one to anyone.
I had a BMW F800S. Lovely engine but yes vibey.
Handled nicely, indicator controls took some getting used to as did the looks.
15600
15601
I'd probably have another. :)
aesmith
30-01-16, 09:29 AM
I'll talk about the ST, seeing as I have one.
Hi, I'm interested in the F800 as well. How do you get on with the belt drive, does it have reasonable life and not too extortionate replacement cost? I assume it needs to be BMW parts, no chance of generic third party bits. I also worry that it would be vulnerable to muck and grit if riding on poor roads, is that an issue?
The other thing is the weight. I'm currently riding an SV650, around 170kg (dry), and the OP's 675 will be if anything lighter still. 203kg seems heavy if that's dry weight, just about the same as a Sprint 1050. However different reviews seem to give different figures for the F800ST, ranging from 183 to 213kg, so I wondered what that actual real story was.
Thanks, Tony S
Fazer 8?
Good spot, I forgot about that!
Wonder if they've solved the IL4 poor mid range... :---)
:D;)
Hi, I'm interested in the F800 as well. How do you get on with the belt drive, does it have reasonable life and not too extortionate replacement cost?
I don't remember the numbers, but there is a non beemer replacement part number somewhere here: http://f800riders.org/forum/forum.php
203kg seems heavy if that's dry weight, just about the same as a Sprint 1050.
I had a loan of an 1050 sprint for a week, one of my impressions was that if i'd drop it, I'd leave it wherever it was and walk home!
I've ridden the f800gt 2-3 miles and sat on the 800st a few times. Looking at weight and size they feel like a completely different bike to the 1050 sprint.
My point is, don't look at numbers alone.
Hi, I'm interested in the F800 as well. How do you get on with the belt drive, does it have reasonable life and not too extortionate replacement cost? I assume it needs to be BMW parts, no chance of generic third party bits. I also worry that it would be vulnerable to muck and grit if riding on poor roads, is that an issue?
The other thing is the weight. I'm currently riding an SV650, around 170kg (dry), and the OP's 675 will be if anything lighter still. 203kg seems heavy if that's dry weight, just about the same as a Sprint 1050. However different reviews seem to give different figures for the F800ST, ranging from 183 to 213kg, so I wondered what that actual real story was.
Thanks, Tony S
Belt drive is great! Little to no maintenance (occasionally check the tension of it, and also inspect the teeth & pulleys). Book time on the belt is 24k, many people get at least 50% more than this. Changed mine at 34k or something like that.
The belt is made by Continental, so can be bought outside BMW for about £130 or so, if not BMW price is about £250 I think.
I ride on many different roads, plenty with gravel and poor surfaces and its absolutely fine. Its no encased so dirt can't get caught up, it'll get spat out the other side of the pulley if it gets that far!
203KG is ready to ride weight, not far off what the SV is. Due to the weight all being low down (nothing 'heavy' is above your knee height when sat on the bike) you don't notice it at all. Low or high fuel amounts make no difference with the fuel tank being under the seat.
Steve_God
30-01-16, 07:43 PM
If you're contemplating the F800, if the budget will stretch, have a look at the R1200RS.
With the boxer engine being low down, although it's a larger engine, the weight is all low down, and handles like a dream. Also, shaft drive, minimal maintenance!
(I've got one on order at the moment, and although the F800 was a close second, the 1200 handled much better)
That said, for box ticking, the F800 ticked them all, and was much cheaper.
nutzboutbikes
30-01-16, 11:23 PM
How about a CBR-F.
If you're contemplating the F800, if the budget will stretch, have a look at the R1200RS.
That said, for box ticking, the F800 ticked them all, and was much cheaper.
I have been looking at the RS :)
Unfortunately the BMW shop here doesn't do bikes. I visited a nearby shop twice, first time, they were still in crates, second time there was an open day and the dealership was full of pensioners (I kid you not). The RS was the centerpiece and was on a paddock stand, I couldn't get a feel for the size of the bike.
It feels kinda big, but when I've seen one on the road it looked kind of small.
Comparing the two... the RS feels like a mature, grown up bike, and the ST like a small "I've got a bike and I'm happy" in a good kinda way.
Anyway, budget is relevant... £5k I'd say...
aesmith
02-02-16, 01:36 PM
If you're contemplating the F800, if the budget will stretch, have a look at the R1200RS.
Not sure that would count as "relatively light"
Steve_God
02-02-16, 02:01 PM
Not sure that would count as "relatively light"
Sprint ST wet weight: 241 kg
R1200RS wet weight: 231 kg
VFR800F wet weight: 242 kg
F800ST wet weight: 204 kg
While heavier than the F800, it's lighter than the Sprint ST, a VFR800F, and also with the boxer engine, the centre of gravity makes it feel significantly lighter than it actually is (I found it as easy to manoeuvre as my SV650).
It's not always about the size of the engine...
Sir Trev
02-02-16, 08:07 PM
The R1200 is about the same weight as my GSX-F650, but I bet it feels lighter thanks to that low slung engine.
Try the clutch on any of the 800 BM's they are like treacle
I've sat on an R1200R, I can remember it fitted me quite well and yes, the weight wasn't that noticeable.
A Bandit 1250 is one heavy mother*** in comparison...
dizzyblonde
03-02-16, 12:19 PM
Ducati streetfighter 848.
I'm considering one as my next purchase
carelesschucca
03-02-16, 12:22 PM
Ducati streetfighter 848.
I'm considering one as my next purchase
OOFT I don't fancy being a pillion on that. but it is a lovely bike.
Ducati streetfighter 848.
I'm considering one as my next purchase
How about the Brutal 800 very sexy looking bike
http://www.mvagusta.com/media/filer_public/d4/e3/d4e3ab96-33f6-4720-8049-3e4421395acd/_g106762.jpg
dizzyblonde
03-02-16, 01:14 PM
How about the Brutal 800 very sexy looking bike
http://www.mvagusta.com/media/filer_public/d4/e3/d4e3ab96-33f6-4720-8049-3e4421395acd/_g106762.jpg
Lovely looking bike, but, the seat is not a nice experience. Couldn't ride it for long, as for pillion.......
Ducati streetfighter 848.
How about the Brutal 800
Nope. Overlooking the fact that they are pure naked bikes, budget won't stretch and the nearest dealer is 100 miles away (150 for Ducati).
Buy a comfortable seat or suffer for your art.
Anyways when you stop and rest your bum you can look at it parked up and share it with passer buys
ok, I know it's naked, but it fits me rather well...
Yamaha MT-07?
ok, I know it's naked, but it fits me rather well...
Yamaha MT-07?
Yes its a hoot of a bike .
Not so convinced that being a naked bike is a major issue
I can't say that it's a worthy successor to an SV as I'm sure I'd be hung up !
MT 09 not float your boat....
AlexAdams
07-02-16, 07:40 PM
Saw a guy on a red ducati hypermotard in a black alpinestars suit. I want one, really badly.
Toooldtodie
07-02-16, 08:18 PM
Smaller tank than SV and worse fuel consumption. The petrol station will be your friend!
Toooldtodie
07-02-16, 08:20 PM
Saw a guy on a red ducati hypermotard in a black alpinestars suit. I want one, really badly.
The bike I'm supposing?! ;)
AlexAdams
07-02-16, 08:30 PM
Smaller tank than SV and worse fuel consumption. The petrol station will be your friend!
An easy price to pay, I live 400 yards from a BP. The price I can't afford is the bike.
The bike I'm supposing?! ;)
Now you mention it, my own black suited stig has a certain ring to it.
Not so convinced that being a naked bike is a major issue
If you've got 300-400 miles to do, or (and) if it's pi$$ing down you start to appreciate fairing...
If you've got 300-400 miles to do, or (and) if it's pi$$ing down you start to appreciate fairing...
All ways got just as blinking wet with a faired bike as without tbh.
We'll see, test ride list is:
MT-07
MT-09,
Street Triple R
F800ST
2015 VFR, I know.
carelesschucca
08-02-16, 03:04 PM
Try the Tracer too. Honestly you might love it... I know its not exactly the bike your after but...
Sat on it this weekend.. too big, way too big...
Apart from reaching the ground the front of the bike is... like on steroids. Big bars, big/tall tank, really didn't like it...
The 07 felt like it's tailor made :)
Didn't try the 09 for size, don't know why...
I wanted to try out the tracer as it's a competitive choice between the Tiger 800 but more Road bias.
But they are mental high
The VFR is a logical choice for the miles and protection.
It's just a shock to get the valve services done with the v tec
carelesschucca
08-02-16, 04:05 PM
Sat on it this weekend.. too big, way too big...
Apart from reaching the ground the front of the bike is... like on steroids. Big bars, big/tall tank, really didn't like it...
The 07 felt like it's tailor made :)
Didn't try the 09 for size, don't know why...
Weird I thought I was smaller than you and I liked it. Yeah its a bit of a big lump compared to the Street and quite wide but the protection it gave was lovely. Doesn't the MT-09 have the same engine and its an amazing thing. Wheelies almost became obligatory and I'm far from a wheelie merchant. It just had stomp right across the range.
Dunno, personal preference maybe?
I'd like to try a Fazer8 as well, but it turns out they've stop making them before I've even seen one on the road :confused:
Toooldtodie
10-02-16, 05:29 PM
I keep scoping around, but then get back on the old SV, and apart from the shiz suspension am still amazed at what a tractable and usable machine it is.
Cheap to run and fun enough... you'll have to go a long way to beat it. Good luck. Let us know how the test rides go.
Toooldtodie
10-02-16, 05:32 PM
All ways got just as blinking wet with a faired bike as without tbh.
True.
Just get a good one-piece rainsuit... zip-lock fresh!!
I keep scoping around, but then get back on the old SV, and apart from the shiz suspension am still amazed at what a tractable and usable machine it is.
I know! :)
Problem is I haven't ridden one in 8 years and "got used to" ohlins, brembo etc...
There's also the issues of:
- eventually upgrading suspension/brakes,
- adding a comfort kit,
- rust,
- pointy.
None of these are good arguments I know... I'm also wondering if Suzuki will update the faired SV this year as well...
Toooldtodie
11-02-16, 06:26 PM
What about the Honda CBR650F?
I was looking quite seriously at this as an alternative.
I'm like, nah... ;)
I've got plenty of reasons not to be interested in this bike... none of them are very good though...
Mostly though, I think it's a sports bike... think I'd rather move away from clip-ons.
We'll see, test ride list is:
MT-07
MT-09,
Street Triple R
F800ST
2015 VFR, I know.
A nice varied list there!
Will be interesting to hear the feedback after riding them all.
Ok, so after jumping on/off a few of the bikes at the bike show I think I can:
- scratch the nakeds off the list, not in Scotland,
- scratch the VFR, too sporty,
- wait for the new SVs - if it arrives,
I've spotted a Tiger 800 (XRx low), which looked smaller than they usually do. It turns out it's an equivalent of " fartory lowered". I might have gotten convinced to a test ride...
Shame BMW didn't show up... :/
Having a lowerd xrx with the dog bones with forks lowerd too. And a low rider seat I think your need to see if you are ok with :-
1' usefulness of the centre stand, as the spring on the kick stands weak. a few people have had theirs roll forward and fall.
2,The lack of ground clearance.
3, the suspension can be sticky and when it's cold a bit "pogo " like.
Toooldtodie
13-03-16, 05:45 PM
It turns out it's an equivalent of " fartory lowered". I might have gotten convinced to a test ride...
Shame BMW didn't show up... :/
Fartory lowered?
Think my bike's had one of them. Must be why so few cars are behind me?!
Fruity-ya-ya
13-03-16, 10:23 PM
What about the Honda CBR650F?
I was looking quite seriously at this as an alternative.
I've gone for the cb650f and so far enjoying it.
Having a lowerd xrx with the dog bones with forks lowerd too. And a low rider seat I think your need to see if you are ok with :-
1' usefulness of the centre stand, as the spring on the kick stands weak. a few people have had theirs roll forward and fall.
2,The lack of ground clearance.
3, the suspension can be sticky and when it's cold a bit "pogo " like.
1. There's one in town I can test ride, we'll see.
2. Is it a problem for road riding?
3. How annoying is it and does it take long to warm up?
Can you get sports touring rubber in the Tiger dimensions (19" front and a 150 18" rear)?
Pirelli seems to offer the Angel GT as a 110/80 R19, wonder if that would fit... (should be 100/90-19).
1/ Give it a go. Don't forget to be objective about what not so fab...
2/Personal I guess. I. Have hit my right one on bumpy rounderbouts to meany times and had to buy a new one.
And thanks to a numpty pedestrian spoilt it as they fell off the wall on the southway Mersea rounderbout.
3/Warm up is fine even today. But I did drain out the oe oil and fill it with better quality but same spec oil
4/ Tyres. Mine came with Scorpions MK1, Biased Belt front. Line following etc prompted me to fit PR4.
Yes it's one size up but lower profile and an alternative fit on the old tiger. So rolling circumstances same and not an issue with the ABS.
Dump the awful and heavy end can!!!
how quick are you looking to change?
i might be up your way in a month or so if the weather keeps up sooner. you can take my tricked out SV for a spin and see what you think.
Not that fast to be honest, if I could get a shot of yours that be great :)
carelesschucca
17-03-16, 09:53 AM
You should do a bike swap... I'd love to see Lance on a Daytona.
After a quick visit in the local Triumph:
1) The XRx low is low. I mean really low. If I can get both feet almost flat on the ground, that mean the bike is low. It's so low it feels weird...
2) The standard XR with it's seat in the low position is ok. I'm actually surprised I can get 1 foot flat on the floor on an adventure type thingy.
Which one feels better? Not a clue.
They're both good in their own way. Jumping from one to the other each one felt good in a different way.
Test ride agreed for next weekend, not sure which model I'll get, but it should give be a good idea.
After a quick visit in the local Triumph:
1) The XRx low is low. I mean really low. If I can get both feet almost flat on the ground, that mean the bike is low. It's so low it feels weird...
2) The standard XR with it's seat in the low position is ok. I'm actually surprised I can get 1 foot flat on the floor on an adventure type thingy.
Which one feels better? Not a clue.
They're both good in their own way. Jumping from one to the other each one felt good in a different way.
Test ride agreed for next weekend, not sure which model I'll get, but it should give be a good idea.
Honestly try the seat in the low standard XRx.
The extra ground clearance your be thankful for.
I'm OK with mine and im only 5'7".
You mean take a standard XRx and put the seat in the low position? Because that's what I just did...
I don't know which one I'll get to test ride as the XR (standard) is for sale with interested parties and the XRx low is their demo bike.
You can get different dog bones easy enough and there's enough room to slide the forks up.
You get more goodies on the XRx.
But they are handy rather than essential.
The centre stand being very handy.
I still wasted money on the front beak, rad guard and ofset it on the cost of a after market (Fuel ) slip on .much cheaper than the Arrow.
So the test ride was interesting. In total I did about 60 moles on Scotland's main and side A roads.
The bike I had was the 2015 XRx low, I've had the seat in the standard position, that was I think the perfect seat height for me. I didn't have any clearance issues.
What I did notice:
The weird stuff:
Front brakes, they work, but they had to be reminded of it. Squeeze the lever, nothing, ok, someting, a bit more... there you go, we're braking.
I've had the bars shake when I went over a groove in the road, might be the narrow front tyre, might be the 19" wheel or the wide bars made it more noticeable that it was.
Heated grips, they were either not working or utterly ****e, handguards were nice though :)
I couldn't ride without earplugs. I set off with the screen in the high position, wind buffeting was unbearable. Dropping the screen made it better (so easy, but you have to stop). Once ear plugs were in, the ride went better. For wind blast, I preferred to have the screen in the low position, but I instantly felt the wind chill, so back up it went.
Acceleration over 60... you twist the throttle, the engine revs, the bike pulls forward, the wind blast increases... but the digits on the speedo don't change much :001:
The good,
Boy, this is an easy bike for telling it where you want to go! It holds the line so well! And if you overcook it, it's there's always easy to correct: "Did sir **** up the corner entry and needs more of a lean angle? There you go!"
If I went into a corner a bit to quick and braked last minute, the bike just asked, "why did you do that for?"
Seat comfort was amazing (I think I had the optional comfort seat, but from the press reviews, there's hardly any difference apparently),
What I've learned from the test ride,
For the first time in a very long time, I kept asking myself, where else can I ride?!
I've also learned that this isn't the bike for me. don't get me wrong it was so good, easy and forgiving to ride. What makes it a no no it the fact that the comfortable cruising speed is around 70. Going above that takes a bit of effort as you're being pushed back and the helmet is being pushed onto your face.
The most shocking discovery, however, was how ****ing uncomfortable my Daytona is! After 2h on the XR I rode my bike back home from the dealership, I felt like the riding position was a cross between a hand stand and a fetal position. I was surprised how narrow the clip ons are and haw the hell am I supposed to make the bike turn with them? I even looked down to check if it was my bike I took or someone else's mad 125!
Dump the awful bias belt front tyre.
Heated grips. Don't do those.......
Brakes. Bleed the ABS out
Have heard about this on the Tiger forum.
Um not sure about the speedometer issue
Daytona
Yes its not the same.
Brilliant at what it's ment for
The speedo is not an issue, just acceleratng at high speeds takes an effort rather than a flick of the wrist.
The speedo is not an issue, just acceleratng at high speeds takes an effort rather than a flick of the wrist.
Yes it not exactly slippery
That's were the faired Daytona and the extra horse's win win.
There's the more Road Biased 1050 Tiger Sport.
Now that's very nice but heaver!!
Took the Tracers out this weekend. The test ride on the Tiger changed my perception of the "adventure" type bikes. They no longer feel too big, and I'm seeing the benefits of the riding position.
First up was the MT-09 Tracer. This is what I meant, the bike no longer felt too big to sit on (this changed later unfortunately). Took the bike out for about an hour, the engine is absolutely mental, in a good, manageable way. The ergonomics, are weird at first and need to get used to. Brakes were sharp, but friendly after a while. The dash had too much information on it in my opinion, somewhat distracting for me.
Riding modes, A is savage :D, the whole bike becomes raw, the engine starts to buzz and vibrate, even on the overrun.
Mode STD, is sort of middle ground, still quick, but without the noise and vibrations of mode A. Both of these modes have the jerkiness of MT09 you've probably heard about.
Mode B is nice and smooth, but they've cut the top power.
Changing modes in nice and easy and can be dine on the go (just shut the throttle). Bike felt stable and easy to turn into corners, the Tiger was easier to turn and hold the line, I'm guessing that's the 19" front wheel.
The bike is not that user friendly, it's not bad but you have to show it who's in charge.
Unfortunately, the bike is too big for me and for what I need it for. Filtering is difficult (bike is wide) and it's not easy for me to plant a foot on the floor ( a combination of short legs and the peg in a weird position).
Next up, the Tracer 700.
I've read a lot about this bike and the MT07 which it is based on. At first the bike underwhelmed, mostly because of the engine. At low rev's when setting off, the engine just feels and sounds like a small capacity (think toy, moped) engine. I've also found that it likes to be kept above 4k rpm. the riding position was ok although felt slightly cramped at first. The seat was disappointing, although nice and soft I got a numb bum after an hour. The screen was adjustable and preformed well at motorway speeds. In general, bike felt ok at 90, and didn't take ages to get to that speed.
Is it fun? Yes. throw any change of direction at it (I mean any) roundabout, 90 degree junction, even changing lanes is fun. This is the type of bike which in capable hands will be going very fast.
Ergonomics were spot on, toys... there aren't any (fuel gauge, gear indicator, rev's, speed, clock is all you get. You can also scroll through one display - ODO, trip A,B, ambient temp, oil temp).
It's also the type of bike you can whack the throttle fully open and just smile about it :)
Unfortunately, they're both a no. MT-09 is too big and the wrong type of bike for what I need. The Tracer 700 felt too much like a small bike on steroids, slightly pretending to be something it's not. It's probably because of the engine, I haven't ridden an SV for donkeys but I can't remember ever thinking the v twin sounded or felt like a toy...
Tracers are too high.
Hold on for the rumoured 765 street triple.
And yes wide bars and filtering can collect the odd mirror....
K5Rider
08-08-16, 11:30 AM
I have a tracer. Did 3k miles around Spain and Germany and it is all day comfy. Screen isnt the best, but it can be fixed. Sounds good, and I have full Givi luggage for it. if you do got for anything Givi, check prices in Italy as it can be a lot cheaper than buying from the UK. great bike, would recommend one to anyone.
My mate has an MT-09 Tracer. He bought it new and got the Akradoofer exhaust aswell.
Like you say, screen not the best. He tried a few before actually making his own from an old R1 screen he had lying about.
He reckoned that his Sprint 1050 and R1 both have that kinda "bubble" on the screens and they work well, so put a bubble screen on the Tracer. Used a dremel and stuff to shape edges and things. says it's much better than all the aftermarket ones he tried.
he also had it remapped to get rid of the jerkyness. The remap included all sorts of stuff, including removing and blanking the lambda probe.
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