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EssexDave
14-01-17, 09:08 PM
Hi folks,
I've been doing a lot of reading about nutrition. I am not looking for opinions, but rather facts.
Do we have any vegans? Any nice recipes? Experiences? Advice?
Littlepeahead
14-01-17, 09:53 PM
Stenno is vegan. He doesn't come on here any more but he's on Facebook so if you wanted to chat to him I could put you in touch.
carelesschucca
14-01-17, 09:56 PM
Jesus Dave, there's a challenge breakfast screaming your name too.
Vegan is a big life choice I know for sure that I couldn't do it...
Littlepeahead
14-01-17, 10:31 PM
Just let Stenno know you were asking and he'll be along in a bit.
Vegetarian I could probably manage, having lived in a meat free house with a former boyfriend for 4 years, but I'll freely admit I couldn't give up dairy.
EssexDave
14-01-17, 10:36 PM
Thanks LPH!
I'm a huge meat, fish and dairy lover, but as a bid of a nerd I've read a lot of the potential benefits of a vegan diet and willing to give it a go and see what happens.
Careless - that Challenge breakie defeated me and I'm not sure I'd get even close now, being a lot lighter and eating a lot less than I did then.
Who was it who demolished that like it was a sandwich? I remember that and was suitably impressed!
carelesschucca
14-01-17, 11:28 PM
Terah, man's a blooming monster...
It's all this cycling in warm countries that's doing it... Don't loose too much weight
SV650rules
15-01-17, 09:38 AM
The way I look at it the vegans of the animal world (zebra, wildebeast, sheep, cows etc. etc.) have to spend most of the day (and sometime night) eating. Now look at the carnivores (lions, tigers cheetah etc.) they spend a bit of time (maybe an hour tops ) every couple of days catching a meal (9 times out of 10 a vegan) and then loll around and play / sleep for the other 47 hours, now let me think - what would I rather do ? The carnivores do come across as being a bit cleverer than grazers as well, they can just hang around and wait for their meal to come to them.
The clincher for me is that vegetarian animals have eyes in the side of their heads, and could never ride a motorbike even with a special helmet as they lack 3D depth perception.
Nothing against veganism but humans are omnivores by design - our intestines are not long enough to digest cellulose and we don't have a second or third stomach to churn it around for days to extract what little bit of nutrient value there is in it.
I think you'll get as many different answers as there are questions on this,don't forget that what suits one doesn't necessarily suit another.Good luck !!!
Blapper
15-01-17, 10:11 AM
@SV650rules: Priceless!
Littlepeahead
15-01-17, 12:04 PM
I think cutting down on meat would be good for all of us. I get teased because my reasons for not eating pork are because pigs are cute and clever. I spent much of my childhood on my uncle's pig farm which had happy non intensively reared pigs, which I ate back then, but sadly welfare standards for most pigs are terrible. Many farm animals are pumped full of antibiotics to prevent illnesses caused by the cramped conditions they live in. They are fed GM crops.
I'm lucky that I earn enough to buy good quality free range meat, but for those on a budget I can see the appeal of cheap Danish bacon and Thai imported chicken. A vegetable risotto will probably always work out cheaper than a packet of chicken nuggets but takes time to prepare and cook, and that puts a lot of people off.
We also still have a culture of meat being the centre of the meal and veg being side dishes, which is a shame.
Maybe if everyone went meat free a couple of days a week, which I often do without even thinking about it, that would be a good start.
Waitrose magazine this month is full of delicious recipes, I didn't even spot they were all vegetarian or vegan until I read the editor's intro.
Agree with LPH. I'm not veggie or vegan, but I eat very little meat, and that's often only when I'm invited out to friends' places for meals. I also agree about pigs, easily as intelligent as a lot of dogs, sadly mistreated.
I do try to make it a balanced diet with the essential things, and in our society that's pretty easy. If in doubt eat veg, can't go far wrong. Nothing I like more than a good veggie pasta bake. If you also eat eggs and cheese that makes things easy, plus if you don't mind eating fish occasionally, even better.
Also to keep at my fighting weight (!) I simply change the portion size, it's easy to do. I usually weigh out stuff like pasta so just reduce it by 5-10% or so and you don't even notice, but overall can easily trim a couple of hundred cals a day off your diet. Once you get used to that size reduce it another 5-10%.
I agree we are omnivores, but we probably didn't eat a lot of meat originally, plus we only lived to 30 or 40 at best so didn't have a chance to develop the conditions and ailments we now suffer from in later life.
Good luck with the diet.
SV650rules
15-01-17, 03:07 PM
Generally we eat way too much animal protein as we only need a few ounces a day. Trouble is with vegetable protein is it is lacking in some vital amino acids, the most complete one is Soya, but even that is lacking in some vital stuff, and soya also contains phyto-oestrogen which is an active female hormone that can have bad effects if you are a bloke. People associate eating of plenty of meat as a good lifestyle and a show of wealth, but it can be a lifestyle that kills you, eat a bit of everything and not too much of any one thing and you will be OK.
I would say pigs are more intelligent than dogs and also more brainpower than some people I have met, and better hygiene and manners.
Red ones
15-01-17, 03:39 PM
In Defence of Food by Michael Pollan is a fantastic book on this. It's not a pro vegan lifestyle book, not even pro vegan, but is a great review of our food and attitudes to it.
Eat little, mostly vegetables. Eat only food your grandmother would recognise and nothing that doesn't rot.
Quinoa has all the vitamins you need. Unfortunately it's not particularly appetising or cheap.
littleoldman2
15-01-17, 09:20 PM
I would say pigs are more intelligent than dogs and also more brainpower than some people I have met, and better hygiene and manners.
Unfortunately if folk didn't eat them then they would be cleared from the land in order to grow vegetables and therefore would have no life at all. Sad but true.
SV650rules
16-01-17, 09:56 AM
That is true, also pigs gobble stuff down that would otherwise find its way into landfill, so pigs are good for the environment as well as tasting good.
Anything that can turn rubbish into a bacon sandwich has to be encouraged and looked after.
Once heard a Jewish guy on the radio asked what would be his last meal and his reply was" a bacon sandwich,I have loved the smell of them all my life and never tried one,so if it's my last meal,why not" !!!
dizzyblonde
17-01-17, 03:56 PM
I was vegetarian for many years, and as we have a self appointed six year old vegetarian, as well as Pegasus bordering in inclination, we don't tend to eat much meat.
I'll hazard a warning, don't join vegan Facebook groups or pages. Staunch vegans can be a particularly judgemental, callous bunch who will gang up and tear you to shreds if you don't fit their criteria. They can be extremely fanatical. Horrible lot in large quantities. I've known a few keep their veganism private, for fear of repercussions from their fellow followers!!
Also, fake stuff. Fakeon bacon etc. Be aware that it can be very fattening and bad for you . If you're going to change to a less meaty lifestyle, do it with actual food, and not some derivative made in a lab to substitute your taste for meat
Red ones
17-01-17, 04:15 PM
Quorn. Invention of the devil and poisonous (at least to me - it's a guaranteed day of vomiting if I have the devil food)
SV650rules
17-01-17, 04:40 PM
Quorn. Invention of the devil and poisonous (at least to me - it's a guaranteed day of vomiting if I have the devil food)
Yup, most man made substitutes are worse for you than the real thing - as for fake bacon WTF ? Artificial sweeteners can do you harm as well, as they fool your body, just stick to the proper stuff and eat less of it.
One of my nieces was a committed vegetarian when she was about 7 or 8, (one of her many phases) we didn't know and had a barbecue with no vegie stuff in sight except salad, we convinced her that it was vegetarian chicken and she ate it, don't know how long her vegie phase lasted but next time we had a barbecue she tucked in just like everyone else.
carelesschucca
17-01-17, 05:04 PM
So, looking through the thread we have just about everything Dave didn't want or ask for...
Bravo guys :-D
Littlepeahead
17-01-17, 05:07 PM
Canibalism, it's the best way.
dizzyblonde
17-01-17, 05:20 PM
Yup, most man made substitutes are worse for you than the real thing - as for fake bacon WTF ? Artificial sweeteners can do you harm as well, as they fool your body, just stick to the proper stuff and eat less of it.
One of my nieces was a committed vegetarian when she was about 7 or 8, (one of her many phases) we didn't know and had a barbecue with no vegie stuff in sight except salad, we convinced her that it was vegetarian chicken and she ate it, don't know how long her vegie phase lasted but next time we had a barbecue she tucked in just like everyone else.
Yeah fake bacon. As for the youngest being vegetarian, there is no way in earth he would fall for a chicken being vegetarian. He will eat an odd nugget, and will eat cod bites from Sainsburys, but absolutely anything that resembles meat, it's a no. I make bologna, mix the pasta in, and he will pick all the pasta out and leave the meat. He doesn't like the texture or taste of meat. He doesn't call himself vegetarian, he just says I don't eat animals
Canibalism, it's the best way.
if you get invited to a dinner party and there are 3 pronged forks on the table you know what your about to eat.
eating of human flesh is not against the law in the UK as long as you have the permission of the person e.g. amputation or consent at death via a will.
Veganism... is that a salad munchers orgasm.
SV650rules
17-01-17, 05:40 PM
So, looking through the thread we have just about everything Dave didn't want or ask for...
Bravo guys :-D
Seems we don't have any vegans to offer advice or recipes, bit of a long shot asking bikers for vegan recipes - cracking discussion though.
So, looking through the thread we have just about everything Dave didn't want or ask for...
Bravo guys :-D
It's either that or .....................
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