Ease My Suffering ... Broken Down In France

[Rogue_Shadow]

Hi Org,

As per title, I've broken down in France & awaiting recovery :(
I was in a group & we already did some tests all be it without a multimeter.
So can someone give it to me straight ...
Am I going on or am I going home?

:D

The bike ran perfectly for 200+ miles for Friday & Saturday.
No symptoms or issues starting.
However today, after setting of from the hotel we stopped for fuel.
Bike off
Fuel up
Ignition on
Starter button
... dead

There is now zero power.
When jumped with a battery pack, the bike comes back to life & will idle.
The second you touch the throttle, it will die again sometimes with the dash display random digits.
However, keeping a battery pack connected & the bike runs perfectly.

I'm now riding shotgun in the recovery truck with French Jason Stathem :D

What's the likelyhood this is something simple like a battery?
Or is it likely terminal ( no pun indeed) like a Reg/Rec or Stator?

Any words of wisdom would be great.

Cheers

[Craig380]

Sorry to hear about the trouble, what a ballache :(

If it runs perfectly when you keep the battery pack connected, I reckon the battery on the bike has died - a broken internal terminal post or a shorted plate, or something like that. With the external battery pack connected, it will mask the problem. A multimeter will show the problem quickly.

Best of luck getting it sorted.

[maviczap]

Merde!

Sorry to hear of your troubles. My curvy did this when the reg/rec went, fine all day, then died at a set of lights. Hitting the start button it wouldn't turn over.

Got it bump started, but the thing ran rough all the way home.

Unfortunately you're in France on a Sunday, so nothing will get fixed until tomorrow :-(

[Rogue_Shadow]

Thanks for the replies :)

I'm hoping it's just a battery too.
No symptoms or issues right up till it died.
Straight after fuelling all the dash fired up, but after one failed start it's was completely dead, no dash, no nothing.
Hoping it's not hiding a charging Reg/Rec fault, because that will surely mean curtains.
The dash lights come alive again with on a battery pack & starts , but if you rev the engine with the pack removed it dies instantly :(

Huge Kudos to Carole Nash!
Worth paying the extra as they have been outstanding so far :D

[Dave-the-rave]

Could be worse. The driver could be a Charles Bronson look alike. The original 'Mechanic'.

[Hapo]

...if I am not under arrest or picking up too many broken bits it was still a good ride.....imho....

[Bibio]

doubt that is the battery. its rare that a battery will just suddenly die unless its not been getting a charge which would would mean that its been running total loss and if so there is no way you would get 200 miles doing so.

completely dead would say to me that its an electrical/connector fault.

up till about k7 the pointy has trouble with the green (ignition) connector but after that they seem to be fine.

do you have to wiggle the key to get the steering lock off?

[Blapper]

Yep. Seen this recently. A knackered Reg/Rect will knacker the existing battery in short order then you put a new battery on it which goes down the toilet quickly. Sl0th86 had this and it was his reg/rect. If you charge it overnight every night you should make it home. Leave your lights off if you can.

There is a guide on testing in Geodude's signature line.

[Littlepeahead]

Stu had this on his KTM and it was a battery terminal. Hope you get it sorted.

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[Rogue_Shadow]

Morning All,

Still stranded in a French Ibis hotel :(
Latest from the garage is that they are still trying to source a battery.
Bibio, yes the steering lock can sometimes be abit stiff to free up.

So if this isn't a battery issue, will it be obvious once they have changed it?
I've got a 5 hour ride to catch up with my group & don't want to get stranded in the ass end of nowhere :(

Cheers

[Bibio]

Bibio, yes the steering lock can sometimes be abit stiff to free up.

So if this isn't a battery issue, will it be obvious once they have changed it?
I've got a 5 hour ride to catch up with my group & don't want to get stranded in the ass end of nowhere :(

Cheers

do you have a bunch of keys hanging of the bike one?

i know sputnik in the ecosse section had problems with the ignition barrel that would render his bike dead.

squirt some contact cleaner down the ignition key hole.

[Rogue_Shadow]

So I finally got the bike back from the French repair shop, with a new battery.
I then rode from Reims to Chamonix, 3pm to 10pm :D
Stopping for fuel 4ish times along the way.

I'm not trying to convince myself here, but am I right in thinking that a stator / RegRec issue would of presented itself by now? The new battery isn't simple masking another gremlin?

Thinking back to day 1 with Jason Statham through a game of French charades, when the battery pack was connected to the bike the multimeter did peak above 13v when the engine was revved.
So sounds like the Reg Rec is working.
I just don't want to burden the other 14 riders I've caught up with.

Appreciate all your input so far :D

[Dave-the-rave]

The battery is obviously charging but to determine if the system is as healthy as it should be you still need to check it out with a multi meter at some point.

[Craig380]

Fingers crossed it's sorted with the new battery. If you've run 7 hours glitch-free then hopefully it will continue that way.

The thing that made me think it was a failure within the battery was a recent post from a guy on SVRider who had intermittent total electrical failure. His battery had tested OK with the engine off and at tickover rpm, it was only when the engine was revved that the fault appeared. Turned out to be a battery terminal post that had fractured clean across. It's rare, but it happens.

[Blapper]

IMHO it's still early days. Sl0th86 had a similar problem and a new battery lasted for a couple of weeks before it went down because the RR wasn't charging it enough. 'above 13V' isn't enough info. If you can charge it overnight at your stops I think it will get you home OK. If you don't, it may not.

[SV650rules]

IMHO it's still early days. Sl0th86 had a similar problem and a new battery lasted for a couple of weeks before it went down because the RR wasn't charging it enough. 'above 13V' isn't enough info. If you can charge it overnight at your stops I think it will get you home OK. If you don't, it may not.

Agree, needs to be high 13's to low 14's volts (13.8 to 14.2 ) to keep battery in good shape.

[glang]

So I finally got the bike back from the French repair shop, with a new battery.
I then rode from Reims to Chamonix, 3pm to 10pm :D
Stopping for fuel 4ish times along the way.

I'm not trying to convince myself here, but am I right in thinking that a stator / RegRec issue would of presented itself by now? The new battery isn't simple masking another gremlin?

Thinking back to day 1 with Jason Statham through a game of French charades, when the battery pack was connected to the bike the multimeter did peak above 13v when the engine was revved.
So sounds like the Reg Rec is working.
I just don't want to burden the other 14 riders I've caught up with.

Appreciate all your input so far :D

Hope its all worked out ok mate. Dont want to worry you but if a diode fails in the R/R you can still have a charging supply but DC with an AC component. In other words some of the electricity is flowing in and out of the battery continually which slowly kills it. Its difficult to confirm without special gear but does give a slightly lower charging voltage and is a right pain because you normally ruin one new battery before diagnosing it....

[Rogue_Shadow]

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[maviczap]

Yep it's a jinxed trip, time to call it a day :(

[Rogue_Shadow]

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[maviczap]

Yikes

What blew? Oil cooler hose?

[Rogue_Shadow]

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[Bibio]

check see if oil filter and sump plug is still there. if not then replace and fill with oil. might be ok. give tyre a good wash with degreaser.

if you have breakdown and the bike is not crashed then you will get relayed home.

[glang]

Blimey what did those French mechanics do?

[Rogue_Shadow]

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[Craig380]

Sorry to hear about your woes, I wonder where all the oil's come from? Possibly oil cooler or hose as said above, maybe one of the breather hoses has split near the cases and dumped oil?

[glang]

or has some road debris flown up and damaged the oil cooler? Hope you get some transport sorted with the minimum of stress...

[DarrenSV650S]

Jeez sorry to hear that. What a nightmare

Definitely time to go home

[maviczap]

So are you still stuck in Fromage land - :neutral:

[Rogue_Shadow]

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[Littlepeahead]

I'm glad you had a good CN experience. I had the opposite when I took out their travel insurance.

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[Rogue_Shadow]

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