Carbon tipping point.

[garynortheast]

I find it almost unfathomable that any person could 'not believe in' climate change.
Can they not see the world changing in front of their eyes?
Have they no memory of how the weather was when they younger??


I'm as baffled as you Bill. The science is pretty solid on this as well, the figures speak for them selves. I wonder if it's partly that people don't want to believe it because it means a departure from the familiar ways of doing things. In the case of certain sections of industry it's just about greed and a complete disregard for the future.

This really should be setting major alarm bells ringing for every one of us.
https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/z43wpx/goodbye-world-weve-passed-the-carbon-tipping-point-for-good

The report above was from last September too, so there's every chance that it's now worse.

[ophic]

Have they no memory of how the weather was when they younger??

This isn't a reliable method of determining climate change, for the main reason that there are a set of longer weather cycles than annual ones at work. A nice example would be El Nino which follows a 3-5 year cycle, but there are many identifiable cycles on a much longer scale - 100s of years, and probably many more that haven't been identified yet.

Not that I'm trying to dilute your point, which I fully agree with.

[SV650rules]

My memory of weather when I was younger is hotter summers (tar melting on the roads, do they use high melting point tar now ? ) and colder winters (skating outdoors in UK) - make of that what you will ?

The weather does exactly what it wants, there have been periods in earths history when weather has been very much different to today, oxygen levels have been up to 30% now down to around 21%, Co2 off the scale, now at a reasonable level. We poor humans have only been keeping records for a length of time equal to a thin coat of paint on the end of a 100 foot plank in real world time. The suns output only has to shift a few fractions of a % to heat Earth up. What worries me is that all the governments are making agreements about carbon reduction etc because it is something they can tax. I never heard of one single agreement about limiting population, no politician has the balls to tackle that one, and if MMGW / MMCC (why did they change it quietly from 'global warming' to 'climate change' ? so their ars3s would be covered if the earth cooled ? ) is a fact then overpopulation is the 5 ton elephant in the room (but not for much longer, they will be extinct soon because too many people taking over elephant habitat, it is no good saving any animal unless it has somewhere to live). I remember in the 1960's when China introduced its 'one child' policy how the world reacted, and has been reacting ever since, well I for one am glad they did it, I shudder to thing what would have happened if they had not. Sometimes its hard to do the right thing in a democracy, that is why dictatorships aren't always that bad.

What isn't helping things is that the two major world religions Roman Catholic and Islam keep urging their followers to breed (one of them even bans contraception outright, and won't even allow abortion after a rape).

Increased CO2 encourages plant and algae growth, which absorbs carbon. Mother nature has a few tricks up her sleeve, we are only dabbling around the edges - when the Earth has had enough of us stupid humans it will get rid of us no problem.

[Bibio]

mother nature will do what she wants regardless of what we do. a volcano erupting will throw more pollutants into the atmosphere in one go then we will in 20 years. i personally think that the weird weather patterns are due to deforestation of the large rainforests.

yes climate change is real but it always has been and always will be. one of the biggest problems we have of measuring climate change is we do not have enough written data. yes we can count tree rings or collect soil samples but that cannot tell us what the daily weather was like and for that we need written data and the data we do have is nothing in comparison to the time the earth has been spinning around the sun.

are humans changing the climate of earth. of course we are but so is mother nature.

[SV650rules]

Something to think about

https://townhall.com/columnists/johnhawkins/2014/02/18/5-scientific-reasons-that-global-warming-isnt-happening-n1796423

If sea level had risen as predicted by the chicken licken doomsayers, parts of East Anglia would certainly be under water by now,
as would the Seychelles and Mauritius and maybe Netherlands - has anyone reported a real sustained sea level rise - anywhere ?

[Bibio]

experts are no longer experts when they have been proved wrong. once they have been proved wrong they no longer have a job so all these experts stick up for each other in fear of becoming unemployed.

when my youngest son was around 5 doctors sent him to have growth hormone level tests when i told them you cant bread rats from mice but they would not listen. he was sent to one of the top growth hormone doctors available at the time who had written and published many papers and wrote books regarding the subject. i was told i know nothing and it has nothing to do with genetics. long story sort i was proven right. my son has perfect hormones and subsequently the so called expert got a red face and admitted that he was wrong and his words were 'i'm going to have to re-evaluate my published papers'.

experts are so focused on the subject they specialise in that they cant see the bigger picture.

[SV650rules]

Climate change / global warming or whatever moniker they come up with next is nothing but a gravy train.
As Bibio says it attracts a lot of funding and keeps people in a job they otherwise would not have, and more to the point governments want to keep up the scam because it nets them billions in 'climate taxes'.

A problem for energy buyers is that 'green' energy is a lot more expensive then fossil energy (something in the order of 3x). The largest wind turbine farm in Europe off the coast of East Anglia only produces 8% of the output of one normal fossil fueled power station and the maintenance is much higher. Its all very well us in the UK virtue signalling to the rest of the world how clean our energy is but ignoring the fact that it is high energy prices that are handicapping our competitiveness and almost closed one of our few remaining steelworks recently (Port Talbot) due to same high energy costs which had already closed most of the others. At one point China was commissioning a new coal fired power station every week to supply cheap energy to their growing industries, how can you compete with that ?

Climate change is like the emperors new clothes - no one wants to be the first to step up and tell the big boss he is actually naked and have the others laugh at them (even though he is naked) and so the cycle continues.

[DarrenSV650S]

Personally I'm all for carbon tips


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[SV650rules]

Personally I'm all for carbon tips


http://i1281.photobucket.com/albums/a519/PistachioNut99/4_zps2xmmticx.jpg

Sorry mate, you will have to reduce the amount of carbon in your exhaust if you are ever gonna meet Euro 5 and 6

[ophic]

You're a cynical bunch aren't ya?

It's not a scam. It's the best interpretation of the data that we have. Mother Nature will do what she wants, but we're having a much bigger impact.

We can't control China's policies. We can only control our own. So we do what we can.

[SV650rules]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8131383/The-climate-change-scare-is-dying-but-do-our-MPs-notice.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

http://www.climatedepot.com/2015/11/04/no-global-warming-at-all-for-18-years-9-months-a-new-record-the-pause-lengthens-again-just-in-time-for-un-summit-in-paris/

I regard climate change in the same way as religion, we are expected to believe in a God and run our lives by his/her/its rules when there is absolutely no evidence that one exists, and every day that goes by the people who make their living out of religion disregard findings of fossils millions years old and continue to insist that 'their' god (who by the way is bigger than 'your' god ) made the whole world in 6 days a couple of thousand years ago. Religion was designed by men to suppress women - ( if you disagree please explain why every major religion treats women as second class citizens).

Darwin delayed publishing his 'On the Origin of Species' by at least 20 years because he knew of the hate that would come his way from religious community when he trashed their business model, and only published when he did because someone else was going to publish a similar book. Throughout world history religion has been the worlds largest business, that is until global warming / climate change was born and had the possibility to make more money than religion.

[ophic]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/8131383/The-climate-change-scare-is-dying-but-do-our-MPs-notice.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5067351/Rise-of-sea-levels-is-the-greatest-lie-ever-told.html

I regard climate change in the same way as religion, we are expected to believe in a God and run our lives by his/her/its rules when there is absolutely no evidence that one exists, and every day that goes by the people who make their living out of religion disregard findings of fossils millions years old and continue to insist that 'their' god (who by the way is bigger than 'your' god ) made the whole world in 6 days a couple of thousand years ago. Religion was designed by men to suppress women - ( if you disagree please explain why every major religion treats women as second class citizens).

I see no similarities between climate change and religion.

You've posted 2 "scientific" newspaper articles which appear to support your viewpoint. That's picking and choosing somewhat isn't it? Ah now I see the religion similarity - believing only what you want to hear.

Let's put it this way - there's an awful lot of data supporting the mainstream theory of climate change. In fact, most of it - that's why it's the mainstream theory. But even if that isn't good enough, atmospheric carbon levels are rising and it's directly attributable to human behaviours, and even if you don't believe the predictions that are made by anyone else, it's still uncharted territory; we don't know exactly what will happen, but it's happening faster than we can possibly adapt to as a species, and that's scary.

Example: The depleted ozone layer was real, still is real, and has been reversed to a certain extent by global governments action.

Drawing parallels with a very emotive subject such as religion isn't really applicable - most scientific research is done in a very dry manner and is very dull work indeed. Governments might well twist it to suit their agenda, but that doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Still I think we'll be very lucky if it's the weather that kills us. Here's another parallel - I see it like fitting iridium spark plugs for a longer life span then riding into a minibus. War, global scale accidents, volcanoes, ice ages or interplanetary impacts will probably polish us off long before our own effect on the climate does - but that's not really an excuse not to plan ahead anyway.

[Dave-the-rave]

Plenty of money being made of the back of the global warming debate. That doesn't mean the science is wrong though.

[Bibio]

here's a tin hat theory for you. weather patterns and cancer rates have steadily increased for the worse as wireless telecommunications have advanced in their usage.

[ophic]

here's a tin hat theory for you. weather patterns and cancer rates have steadily increased for the worse as wireless telecommunications have advanced in their usage.
There are loads of stats that show correlation with no causal relationship. There's at least one web page dedicated to the subject. It's a common phenomenon.

Millions of man hours have been spent studying climate change. They don't just make this stuff up.

[SV650rules]

here's a tin hat theory for you. weather patterns and cancer rates have steadily increased for the worse as wireless telecommunications have advanced in their usage.

Don't forget radar, if a microwave oven can heat food then surely radar is heating the atmosphere, they work on same frequency. If you switch off radar all flights would be grounded, a win - win , no microwaves and no carbon from air travel.

[SV650rules]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3661875/A-spotless-sun-Incredible-image-shows-solar-activity-quietest-100-years-say-trigger-mini-ice-age.html

According to scientists recent lack of solar activity could soon result in a 'mini ice-age' - I just wish they would make their minds up. NASA says the effect of solar activity on terrestrial (Earths) climate is an ongoing study. Surely it should be obvious that if Suns output drops Earth cools, and if Suns output rises Earth gets Warmer - nothing to do with carbon. Anyway higher CO2 promotes growth of plants and trees = more food, and the plants absorb carbon as they grow.

[Bibio]

i'm still waiting for this so called global warming to reach scotland :rolleyes:

[BanannaMan]

i'm still waiting for this so called global warming to reach scotland :rolleyes:






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