rear tyre on front - mot issues

[nikon70]

hey folks,

anyone in the MOT trade know that if i run a rear tyre on the front with the directional arrow going the wrong way (but right if you know what i mean) will it fail an MOT?

according to the MOT site and I quote, you will fail if...

e. A tyre not fitted in accordance with the direction of rotation marked on the sidewall (see information column).

now this is true for the tyre if it is mounted wrong BUT when using a rear tyre on the front you need to reverse the direction for safety when braking... (if you don't know why and want to know why look it up).

i am looking at putting metzeler karoo on front but they only do the right size as a rear tyre, and really don't want to have to change the tyre just to pass the MOT...

anyone?

[Sir Trev]

Why risk it? Even if you get through an MoT your biggest worry would be insurance in the event of a incident. They may invalidate your policy and leave you screwed.

[nikon70]

Why risk it? Even if you get through an MoT your biggest worry would be insurance in the event of a incident. They may invalidate your policy and leave you screwed.



It’s allowed tho so not invalid


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[Talking Heads]

Tyres are marked either front<, rear>, or both <F R>
Rear only tyre on the front or front only tyre on the rear is an MoT fail.

http://www.motuk.com/bike/4-1.asp

[nikon70]

Yeah I looked there too, that’s why I put rear put on front but reverse direction as the notes at the bottom states:

Metzeler tyre is suitable for fitment to the rear wheel of an Aprilia AF 50 motorcycle provided it is fitted in the reverse to the direction of rotation indicated on the tyre wall.

So I wanted to know if it’s accepted practice and will pass an mot




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[NTECUK]

Reasons for rejection only states that the tyre must be fitted with the information re the rotation markings.
Other than that you can't fit a front tyre to the rear.
So unless you can pass the information to the tester that the manufacturer says yes it is ok for that trye your likely to fail.

[NTECUK]

See the real MoT manual.
https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1s04000101.htm

[Bibio]

why are you even thinking of taking the risk? its not just about getting an MOT

if you crash who pays the bills?

if you crash bad enough your life as you know it is over...

so how much do you think your life is worth.. a cheep not fit for use tyre or a proper tyre...

even a cheep maxis tyre is better than what you are preposing to do. if you already have the tyre on the bike then ''fool you''.

[Talking Heads]

Yeah I looked there too, that’s why I put rear put on front but reverse direction as the notes at the bottom states:

Metzeler tyre is suitable for fitment to the rear wheel of an Aprilia AF 50 motorcycle provided it is fitted in the reverse to the direction of rotation indicated on the tyre wall.

So I wanted to know if it’s accepted practice and will pass an mot

Accepted practice is rear tyre on the back, front tyre on the front, or universal tyre on either front or back.

n.b. "must"
"Directional tyres these tyres must be fitted in accordance with the instructions on the sidewall. The direction of forward rotation is indicated by an arrow, words or both."

https://www.mot-testing.service.gov.uk/documents/manuals/m1s04000101.htm

[Sir Trev]

It’s allowed tho so not invalid


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If tyres are in any way an issue in an incident and the insurance assessor spots a directional arrow pointing the wrong way they are very likely to invalidate your policy. It is not worth the risk, no matter what a page on a manufacturer's website says.

[Kirkybhoy]

As previously mentioned for the difference in price is it worth losing any insurance cover or your life.


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[PyroUK]

If tyres are in any way an issue in an incident and the insurance assessor spots a directional arrow pointing the wrong way they are very likely to invalidate your policy. It is not worth the risk, no matter what a page on a manufacturer's website says.This pretty much.

If you're even slightly concerned about it passing an MOT you can be fairly confident your insurance won't cover you.



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[nikon70]

Boo


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[tom_e]

Funnily enough one of the proposals for changes to the MOT in May is to remove the failure due to tyres not fitted according to the directional marker but for the time being as already stated it'll fail.

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[nikon70]

That’s because people don’t know what tyres can be put in front - for those who do know should pass etc


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[nikon70]

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/mot-special-notice-01-18-inspection-manual-and-in-service-emission-data

Ha! Yes! Tyres not fitted in accordance to details on the side wall will not fail from May 2018!!!

Result!

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[embee]

Aren't those classes just cars and other 4-wheelers? Or are bikes included somewhere else?

[NTECUK]

Aren't those classes just cars and other 4-wheelers? Or are bikes included somewhere else?

MOT tests on motorcycles, scooters, mopeds and motorcycle combinations (class 1 and 2 vehicles).
The links for class 3/ 4 (car's and Van's)
So not sure if bike's are going to be changed yet..

[peatland]

My 10cents....you don’t muck about with tyres....


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[SV650rules]

How many bikes use a 120 section rear tyre anyway ? Personally I would not fit anything wider on front, as previous poster said ' you don't muck about with tyres'.

[nikon70]

Here’s your change... 10c


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[shiftin_gear98]

Nikon, if you want to do it and it's not against the law do it. However when you're doing triple figures and some ****wit retard decides to try to kill you. Do you want the only things to grip the road to be in any doubt that they'll do their job? Having had to bend the laws of physics myself not that long ago I'll stick to front on front back on back. Good luck to whichever you choose.

[nikon70]

I know it’s hard to tell when someone is joking [emoji854] I appreciate one and all comments and suggestions etc. I am just trying to find the highest profile scrambler tyre for the CBF500 and for the front it’s difficult etc. I will probably end up with standard tyres but thought I’d check to see what the consensus was before I made any drastic decisions. Me and a CBF500 doing triple figures in central London ain’t ever gonna happen [emoji23] I’d be lucky to get up to 40mph and that’s just one dual carriage way the rest is 20mph speed limited with cameras in central London...


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[fizzwheel]

I am just trying to find the highest profile scrambler tyre for the CBF500 and for the front it’s difficult etc.

Does that mean you arent talking about doing this on your SV ?

If not its a bit confusing as you didnt state this in your opening post and I feel if its not strictly SV related your post would be better in Bikes Talk & Issues

[Talking Heads]

Why would you put a back to front wrong sized scrambler tyre on a CBF500 for use on city streets?
Doesn't make any sense at all on any level.