EU regulations in the pipeline

[Seeker]

Article 13 has passed - internet copyright law. I think it's supposed to ensure that the owner of the work gets paid and stop people using their work without permission which sounds good in theory. It requires companies like Google to have filters to block copyrighted material but the filters currently don't work. It will certainly affect the way the 'net works and most articles I've read don't see it as a good thing (or even workable). They have exempted memes and gifs.

Vehicle speed limiters from 2022 - the rules have been provisionally agreed. UK campaigners want it applied to the UK too, assuming we are out of the EU by then (start writing to your MP now).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47715415

[Kenzie]

Surely if people don't want the speed limiting tech then they simply won't buy new cars?

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[graham04]

2 years to buy a car without a speed restriction, bikes next. All those worthless Ferrari's , might as well have a simple electric box on wheels. Doesn't bare thinking about. I will keep the SV and give it an extra oil change.....

[Seeker]

I read on another site that if you press the accelerator hard it overrides the system which makes sense on one hand but defeats the object on the other, although there will be a recorder to monitor how you were driving. It will also enforce 30/40/50 speed limits via GPS and road sign recognition. This should be entertaining.

[johnnyrod]

I read the same about being able to override it. I guess it is to prevent people going 35-40 in a 30, for example, and speed creeping up without being noticed. We all know there is more to safety than speed but in town it's a risk factor in terms of both severity and likelihood.
Before we start on the whole Brexit thing again, remember that the vast majority of regs were voted for by our own governments. We are not an island fighting against the might of the EU and being railroaded! That moron Farage and the others wouldn't let you think that though.

[BoltonSte]

It's interesting when my built in Satnav with live maps tells me I'm on a 70 dual when the speed has been permanently lowered to 50.


I've had it the other way as well. Is the technology there for it to work properly?


It mentions an option of doing a full switch off. I know this is available as an anti theft device in some American (pretty sure it was American) trucks, the theory being that if it were stolen and in a safe place, the truck could be shut down. My brother was looking at distributing a similar system over here, the police would be able to control the scene then send the stop message to the truck and it would power down and come to a controlled stop.


This was deemed to be unsafe for thousands of trucks - but could be OK for millions of cars?

[Talking Heads]

Another example of UK news media writing misleading propaganda to influence public opinion against the EU.
"Speed limiters" isn't what the EU proposals are about at all.
What is proposed is to have a system in place which alerts the driver if the speed limit is exceeded.
Such a system is already fitted in many new cars.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/eu-compulsory-car-device-would-not-limit-speed-1.3840046

[garynortheast]

Another example of UK news media writing misleading propaganda to influence public opinion against the EU.
"Speed limiters" isn't what the EU proposals are about at all.
What is proposed is to have a system in place which alerts the driver if the speed limit is exceeded.
Such a system is already fitted in many new cars.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/eu-compulsory-car-device-would-not-limit-speed-1.3840046

Trouble is, too many folk are happy to swallow the bullsh1t3 pumped out by certain sections of the media. People just love having someone to hate.

[Talking Heads]

People just love having someone to hate.

Hence Brexit.

[Seeker]

Another example of UK news media writing misleading propaganda to influence public opinion against the EU.
"Speed limiters" isn't what the EU proposals are about at all.


This is being reported worldwide not just in the UK and the proposal for the EU General Safety Regulation did include speed limiting devices. However industry said that the technology was not ready yet so the proposal was changed to a warning system with the speed limiting devices being introduced when available.

Here's a fact sheet on the EU GSR from Feb2019:

https://www.acea.be/news/article/fact-sheet-cars-and-the-general-safety-regulation-revision

[johnnyrod]

I remember when it was all 100bhp limits and type approval for accessories. Only it never was, it was all talk and was never put into law. At the moment, this is all talk. As said above, headlines and facts make poor bedfellows, and the politics of the right care more about the former than the latter.

[graham04]

Just as well this is under "Idle Banter " otherwise we might take it all too seriously. What happened to the manufacturers voluntary 186 mph limit, done to avoid regulation. Not that it would have troubled me except in my dreams. And surprisingly only the French took the 100bhp figure seriously, everybody else ignored it.

[Talking Heads]

That isn't a factsheet about actual legislation, its merely an outline of a trade body's thinking.

This is the real deal: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1793_en.htm

[Seeker]

This is the real deal: http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-19-1793_en.htm

and from that document:


For cars, vans, trucks and buses: warning of driver drowsiness and distraction (e.g. smartphone use while driving), intelligent speed assistance, reversing safety with camera or sensors, and data recorder in case of an accident (‘black box').


So what is ISA?

...from the European Transport Safety Council:

"ISA uses a speed sign-recognition video camera and/or GPS-linked speed limit data to advise drivers of the current speed limit and automatically limit the speed of the vehicle as needed. ISA systems do not automatically apply the brakes, but simply limit engine power preventing the vehicle from accelerating past the current speed limit unless overridden. Vehicles with this kind of ISA system factory fitted are already on sale – helped in part by Euro NCAP’s decision to reward extra points for vehicles that include ISA."

https://etsc.eu/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa/

Will it be implemented? Doubtful. Would the EU like to implement it? Yes.

[Talking Heads]

"ISA systems do not automatically apply the brakes, but simply limit engine power preventing the vehicle from accelerating past the current speed limit unless overridden."

A limiter which can be manually over-ridden really isn't a limiter.

Safety kit in vehicles usually attracts opposition, seatbelts, ABS, helmets, all have had vocal opposition.
This important new safety equipment will reduce road fatalities and injuries and that is A Good Thing.

Anyway I feel its time for a tune.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAvQSkK8Z8U

[johnnyrod]

Nice choice but how about this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

[garynortheast]

Cake. Where's the cake?

[Talking Heads]

Cake. Where's the cake?

Its been stollen.

[Talking Heads]

Nice choice but how about this instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

Brilliant, glad ancient internet traditions are still alive and well. :cool: