Are you observing Lockdown 2.0?

[Sir Trev]

It's been a lovely day here in Wycombe and I've been outside most of the day doing some end of season pruning at Trev Towers. The traffic passing by, and from what I could see of the road mine joins up to, was just as busy as it was before we were told to stay home and only make essential journeys. Lady Poppy used her allowed exercise outing to cycle to the sorting office in town to post something and said the number of people just ambling about in the High Street was just like a normal Saturday. Some folks on another forum I frequent were organising a breakfast run for goodness sake.

Is anyone actually paying any attention to the lockdown rules?

[Craig380]

Because schools, unis and a wide range of shops are still open, Lockdown 2: Electric Boogaloo is very different from March / April of this year.

Up here (Macclesfield) people are still milling around the town centre because Tesco, Sainso, Aldi, Lidl, B&M, Boots, etc etc are all open.

I had a spin out on the bike this morning and the traffic was no different to what it was pre-lockdown.

[Adam Ef]

I'm still working and traffic into Bristol Thursday and Friday was busier than ever. I don't think many people are paying any attention to the lockdown around here.

[Seeker]

Is anyone actually paying any attention to the lockdown rules?

North East Lincolnshire has gone from one of the lowest rate of infections to either 5th or 6th highest (587 cases per 100k), so yes, I'm observing lockdown. I only food shop every 3 weeks since the virus started anyway. I have books, crosswords and the 'net; I'm borderline antisocial so I don't find it hard.

[DJ123]

I think the only ones paying attention are businesses who have to shut. The new 'rules' are so open that's is easy for people & businesses to abide by them, albeit treading in the grey area.
TBH my life doesn't change too much with the new rules so i am not too affected, although it has meant reverting back to Online shopping to sort Xmas.

[Bibio]

up here in jockland we were almost covid free till the uni's went back.


people really are their own worst enemies. people having street parties the night before lockdown deserve all they get just like idiots going to indoor concerts etc.etc. MORONS



we are all going to get it or as i suspect most of the population has already had it.


just what the gov wanted was to pass some nice new laws restricting the movement of people.


i dont go out so i'm observing the rules :rolleyes:

[punyXpress]

The Government Instruction has reverted to " Stay At Home " so everyone is obeying Cummings, D & doing as they darned well like.
He's a lot to answer for but no-one in government dare question him.

[DJ123]

up here in jockland we were almost covid free till the uni's went back.


people really are their own worst enemies. people having street parties the night before lockdown deserve all they get just like idiots going to indoor concerts etc.etc. MORONS



we are all going to get it or as i suspect most of the population has already had it.


just what the gov wanted was to pass some nice new laws restricting the movement of people.


i dont go out so i'm observing the rules :rolleyes:

i think quite a few places were doing well, until the Uni's & colleges went back. I don't think it's a happy coincidence the infections rose in these areas at the same time. As much as Education should be important and be protected, it can also be done remotely - i can't understand why they were allowed to go ahead with starting new terms and mass movements off people moving around.

Oh, yes. And people partying and having huge gatherings. Morons. I vote we lock these like-minded people in a room together and leave them there.

[yokohama]

I can't see the point of this one; there's no long-term strategy at all.
Fine, we all stay home until 2nd December and then what? 3 weeks until Christmas. Everyone will rush out shoppping, pubs open, Christmas and new year parties, families get together for Christmas. Any lockdown benefits are likely to disappear, the R rate will rise and we'll be back where we started by the end of January

[DJ123]

I can't see the point of this one; there's no long-term strategy at all.
Fine, we all stay home until 2nd December and then what? 3 weeks until Christmas. Everyone will rush out shoppping, pubs open, Christmas and new year parties, families get together for Christmas. Any lockdown benefits are likely to disappear, the R rate will rise and we'll be back where we started by the end of January

The R rate will rise but only up to a saturation point where it will plateau, especially without a vaccine.
The national one seems a bit pointless when the local ones in the worst affected areas were working . . .

[Seeker]

I suspect they are hoping that the R number will drop over the next month which will ease the pressure on the hospitals and that the vaccine will be ready (or nearly ready) by the end of the lockdown period.

[embee]

Effectively the same here, hardly any noticeable difference in how folk are behaving.
As for a strategy, the extension of the furlough scheme until next spring pretty much says it all, between now and next spring/summer I expect a cycle of in/out of lockdown/tier 1,2,3 until the weather warms up again and the virus naturally begins to decline.

The Government Instruction has reverted to " Stay At Home " so everyone is obeying Cummings, D & doing as they darned well like.
He's a lot to answer for but no-one in government dare question him.

I remember a comment from someone when the possibility of Johnson sacking Cummings was discussed at the time. They said Johnson sacking Cummings would be like Baldrick sacking Blackadder.

[SV650rules]

Very thought provoking article from Spectator attached as PDF ( Spectator has a paywall ).

A good point in the article is that so far, according to Office for
National Statistics data, the average Covid victim is 79 years old
with at least 2 'co-morbidities' ( underlying health conditions
like diabetes ).

[Swin]

I can't work from home due to the nature of my job, ride a bike into Central London and work in a large office with a small number of staff, so haven't really been too badly affected by the Covid epidemic.

We've observed the stay at home advice to the letter, must admit that the traffic on the way in this morning didn't seem any less than a normal day, so I suspect a lot of people aren't following the advice

[redtrummy]

We think we had the virus back in late winter but have been careful since anyway.
We are aware that more infections mean an extra burden on the NHS, and vulnerable people and those that need hospital treatment could find it not available. Prior to this latest lockdown we did visit the odd pub but only those we had confidence in.

So yes we are following the Governments dictate as illogical as it is in its detail in places, hoping that a safe and effective vaccine is available soon.

[embee]

The news on a promising vaccine is definitely a hopeful news item. A difficulty does seem that it needs to be stored at very low temp (-80C), specialist freezer territory, but apparently other versions are under development.

They'll have to work a pretty clever public information exercise so folk realise that a vaccine doesn't stop you getting infected and doesn't get rid of the virus from the environment, just that your immune system has a head start so you hopefully don't develop serious symptoms. I assume it means you don't become particularly infectious, not sure about that though.

A glimmer of hope anyway.

[DJ123]

The news on a promising vaccine is definitely a hopeful news item. A difficulty does seem that it needs to be stored at very low temp (-80C), specialist freezer territory, but apparently other versions are under development.

They'll have to work a pretty clever public information exercise so folk realise that a vaccine doesn't stop you getting infected and doesn't get rid of the virus from the environment, just that your immune system has a head start so you hopefully don't develop serious symptoms. I assume it means you don't become particularly infectious, not sure about that though.

A glimmer of hope anyway.

The issue i still see, same as with the Flu vaccine, is as you say it can only help you fight it and will not guarantee you can't get it.
If they stick to their plan of giving it to first responders & the vulnerable, that should initially help to prevent any chance of saturating the NHS.

[keith_d]

The news on a promising vaccine is definitely a hopeful news item. A difficulty does seem that it needs to be stored at very low temp (-80C), specialist freezer territory, but apparently other versions are under development.



Dry Ice sublimes at -78C, so refrigerated shipping shouldn't be a big problem. Once it's defrosted the vaccine has a shelf life of 4 or 5 days in a regular fridge. It is entirely feasible to deliver a consignment on Monday and provide vaccinations from Tuesday to Friday in most GP's practices.

There is still the challenge of getting patients to turn up on time and stay 2m apart while they're waiting. But with a bit of effort it would be possible to vaccinate a patient every few minutes.

Definitely a step in the right direction.

[svenrico]

Haven't done anything outside what is allowed. Not been on the bike since this latest lockdown started but if I want to go for a runout I might , but I would be wary of going for a longer ride. The weather at this time of year is a consideration anyway !

[gadget]

I intend to go for a ride at some point soon if only to keep the wheels turning ... both on me and the bike, even if it's down to a coast for a couple of hours.
I wont be in convoy, just me on my lonesome, no contact with anybody, so I don't see that I or anyone else we be put at risk and from what I understand it is ok to do so within reasonable travelling distances.

[svenrico]

'PRESS RELEASE

Recreational motorcycling in England permitted under new measures.

This version: 2020-11-11

The Coalition of Motorcycling Organisations (COMO) has examined
legislation and guidance for the new lockdown in England. If you are
not required to self-isolate, the rules do permit riding alone or with
one other individual. You are still subject to the social distancing
rules and other measures.

Many riders have been asking whether riding alone is allowed under the
new lockdown rules. Government has clearly stated that riding as
essential travel is allowed. We looked into rules on riding for leisure
and mental well-being which are not so clear.

We have studied both the legislation and the guidance and have concluded
that the rules do permit riding for pleasure, alone or with a mate.

You can ride for recreation on public roads so long as you are:

• on your own
• with one person from another household, or
• with the people you live with (your household) or your support
bubble

Bikers congregating in groups is not allowed under the legislation and
will draw unwanted attention, as will any reckless riding. Please use
good judgement and avoid any action that will adversely affect the
reputation of motorcycling.

We will publish a revised version of the Covid-safe motorcycling
guidelines once we understand the situation after the current lockdown
period expires.' quote from MAG.
Seems to me it is up to the individual to use common sense .Some might not want to ride on moral grounds, some might think it could pose a risk to NHS in case of an accident, some might think there is no problem if precautions taken when filling up with petrol. All these things have been mentioned by others previously. If weather is fine I will probably go for a ride but probably not as far as I would usually travel.